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raviban 2011-02-14 19:39
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Hey, is it still worth buying a N900 :o; or just buy an android?

cfh11 2011-02-14 19:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 946379)
Let's see: Nokia fiddled around with Linux for 5 years, and in the end all they had to show for it is one single device, with a proprietary Linux distribution, discontinued after one year of production, and with zero chance of making another device?

A headless chicken could have done better.

Nokia were never really serious about Linux in the first place.
Riiiiiggghht. So the n770, n800, n810 don't count?

Yes, Maemo is not available on anything outside of Nokia devices but you can't deny that progress has been made from OS2006 until now.

raviban 2011-02-14 19:57
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i have always been a maemo enthusiast, however concerned about adobe flash 10 support and security given the new dynamics...

tkatchev 2011-02-14 20:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 946385)
Riiiiiggghht. So the n770, n800, n810 don't count?

Yes, Maemo is not available on anything outside of Nokia devices but you can't deny that progress has been made from OS2006 until now.
Look at Ubuntu and the progress made in these five years for a real example of progress that counts.

Maemo is a hobby project within Nokia.

jmangs 2011-02-14 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raviban (Post 946380)
Hey, is it still worth buying a N900 :o; or just buy an android?
Depends on the price to be honest and if you're one of those techie hacker types. At this point my next phone will be an Android, I think. Love the N900 mind you but it's too niche for most people.

tswindell 2011-02-14 23:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 946409)
Look at Ubuntu and the progress made in these five years for a real example of progress that counts.

Maemo is a hobby project within Nokia.
Ubuntu has a much larger development community, also, comparing them side by side, personally I think maemo has made a lot more progress, at least visually. Not to mention, wtf has ubuntu got to do with an embedded platform of hardware _and_ software. Nokias' contributions to FOSS over the past 6-8 years has been pretty substantial, ranging from kernel all the way to the desktop, any company that does that gets a nod from me, it's pretty rare in this corporate lawyer driven world.

cfh11 2011-02-14 23:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 946409)
Look at Ubuntu and the progress made in these five years for a real example of progress that counts.

Maemo is a hobby project within Nokia.
I fully agree that Maemo is somewhat of a "hobby project" for Nokia. My point is that Meego appears to be heading down the same path. So.......... why all the FUD about Meego? We all know Meego isn't ready for the masses yet, so Nokia proclaiming that it will be somewhat of a sideshow to WP7 really isn't news. In fact, the situation with Meego is better than Maemo ever was. It is backed by the Linux Foundation along with several other corporate sponsors. And it is shaping up to be far more open than Maemo ever was.

As for the other point about Ubuntu, I think tswindell was spot on - nothing to add there.

TheLongshot 2011-02-15 06:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 946616)
I fully agree that Maemo is somewhat of a "hobby project" for Nokia. My point is that Meego appears to be heading down the same path. So.......... why all the FUD about Meego? We all know Meego isn't ready for the masses yet, so Nokia proclaiming that it will be somewhat of a sideshow to WP7 really isn't news. In fact, the situation with Meego is better than Maemo ever was. It is backed by the Linux Foundation along with several other corporate sponsors. And it is shaping up to be far more open than Maemo ever was.
Probably because many were hoping that Nokia would finally take the next step after teasing their customers for 5 years with solid products, but not really having the full strength of the company behind those products. As far as that goes, not much has changed.

The main worry right now is the future of QT, which was supposed to be the library that would help applications cross from one OS to another. With the Microsoft deal, that puts things in doubt a bit.

That being said, I always thought that Maemo/Meego's greatest potential is in the tablet market, where there really isn't much comparable. Yes, Apple and Google retrofitted their phone OSs for tablets, but I really do think that Meego has the potential to top them all in that market. Whether it meets that potential is up to Intel and the other partners who are left.

abill_uk 2011-02-15 07:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 946385)
Riiiiiggghht. So the n770, n800, n810 don't count?

Yes, Maemo is not available on anything outside of Nokia devices but you can't deny that progress has been made from OS2006 until now.
How can you call Maemo in any way substantial? ok so what they gave is 4 devices based on this OS but how they dealt with it after that tells you it was not meant to be, well at least from Nokia.

IF Maemo and or Meego gets any further development i think we can safely say it will not come out of the Nokia stable.

Both are half baked and both have been totally stamped on by Nokia.

Oh and.... go easy guy ! your comments are rather bashful.

tswindell 2011-02-15 08:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 946781)
How can you call Maemo in any way substantial? ok so what they gave is 4 devices based on this OS but how they dealt with it after that tells you it was not meant to be, well at least from Nokia.

IF Maemo and or Meego gets any further development i think we can safely say it will not come out of the Nokia stable.

Both are half baked and both have been totally stamped on by Nokia.

Oh and.... go easy guy ! your comments are rather bashful.
abill_uk, you're new, you have no idea what the people in Nokia working on Maemo have done, both in and out of work. Over the past 6 years it has been an honour and a priviledge to work with those guys and they've contributed more to the FOSS community than you ever will. Any further work on MeeGo by Nokia, which will happen, they've already said it will happen, they've also already said they'd release a device this year based on those efforts, is a bonus. Hopefully, at least for the time being this device range will go back to being strictly for enthusiasts and developers, so we no longer have to deal with jack asses like you.

JulmaHerra 2011-02-15 14:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 946409)
Look at Ubuntu and the progress made in these five years for a real example of progress that counts.

Maemo is a hobby project within Nokia.
It's not entirely fair comparison. Ubuntu was never started from scratch, it's a fork of Debian which has been under development for years. Most of basic functionality already existed in Debian. To create a mobile device out of Linux however is not that simple, because there is no standard device type for it and many functions of modern smartphone didn't exist at the time Maemo was created. If there was a manufacturer selling blank smartphone devices for enthusiasts to play with, complete with available device drivers for Linux and tools to flash custom firmwares to them, development of Meego (and Linux for such devices in general) would be much easier. Now we are dependent on manufacturers like Nokia to actually create such device and N900 is so far best device for that part.

However, it is true that Maemo was a hobby (or "R&D learning project") for Nokia. I guess the Maemo 5 was first time they actually realised the potential of the OS, but then they wasted time ditching it for Meego and then dropped the ball by jumping to Microsoft bandwagon...

abill_uk 2011-02-15 14:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 946822)
abill_uk, you're new, you have no idea what the people in Nokia working on Maemo have done, both in and out of work. Over the past 6 years it has been an honour and a priviledge to work with those guys and they've contributed more to the FOSS community than you ever will. Any further work on MeeGo by Nokia, which will happen, they've already said it will happen, they've also already said they'd release a device this year based on those efforts, is a bonus. Hopefully, at least for the time being this device range will go back to being strictly for enthusiasts and developers, so we no longer have to deal with jack asses like you.
Hey mr wise guy who loves to lay down the law... you bite me and for sure i will bite you back you *** because you just dont get it do you.

Your a pain in the *** because your nowt but a Nokian loveboy who will have nothing bad said against them, you never change do you.

Maemo was brought out as you well know as a FLAGSHIP device NOTHING said about it being a hobbiest OS in any way or form and they stuffed everyone who bought the N900 but hey dont go at me ok because i tell you a thousand will jump at you for typing such stoopid comments.

Learn your lesson with me ok... bite me and as sure as hell i will bite you back ... get it now?.

abill_uk 2011-02-15 14:44
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Whatever Nokia did for however long on Maemo was simply not good enough... they are burnt now and will pay for their mistakes.

I still own my first N900 and will never sell.... not because Meamo is shite but because i like the concept... Nokia lied ok simple as that.

cfh11 2011-02-15 14:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 946781)
How can you call Maemo in any way substantial?
Well, this community wouldn't exist if it weren't for Maemo and the line of NITs. Is that substantial enough for ya?

abill_uk 2011-02-15 15:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 947061)
Well, this community wouldn't exist if it weren't for Maemo and the line of NITs. Is that substantial enough for ya?
As much as i respect this community only because of the guys who have put hours upon hours of work into producing some brilliant apps that Nokia just couldnt get together you have to be honest with yourself and ask yourself why there has not been a community driven 100% OS to replace the last update and the endless list of WONTFIX.

You know the answer as well as i do, it would be impossible to do for the so called OPEN N900 Maemo based device because it is in fact only 50%open and without the rest is impossible to get together a team to finalise the OS without crashes occuring.

Nice try community but hey dont blame this community blame Nokia for not working with this community.

As for tswindell, we have had enough run ins now and he just never learns the pompas idiot so let him carry on his own Nokian i love you ways and let everyone else to there own opinions as they do have.

He has had a go at me since practically day one and all i can say is as i have always said... Nokian loverboy but not appreciated by the majority of N900 owners i can tell you.

Nokia FAILED with Maemo, if it didnt we would now have a brilliant OS with no one but NO ONE moaning and that is something he has to consider like it or not.

You call that substantial i call that substandard and one hell of a let down, LOOK what is happening now with Nokia dont look at me ok.

tswindell 2011-02-15 15:10
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...

You're whining, not I. I try to be impartial and see things from both angles. I'm not saying Nokia couldn't have done better, but who really cares? The people involved did the best they could under the circumstances and your comments are both hurtful to them and those of us that try very hard to make this community better. What do you do other than complain? We'd respect you more if you actually seemed to do something other than that...

Frappacino 2011-02-15 15:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 947082)
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What do you do other than complain? We'd respect you more if you actually seemed to do something other than that...
err wtf do you call the Elop ***** posts appearing everywhere since the annoucement was made.

This entire board has been whining about something they cannot change. So I assume you have no respect for the majority of TMO then.

abill_uk, irritating as he is, is hardly alone (and not even the most outrageous - with posts calling for prosecuting Elop for treason).

abill_uk 2011-02-15 15:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 947082)
...

You're whining, not I. I try to be impartial and see things from both angles. I'm not saying Nokia couldn't have done better, but who really cares? The people involved did the best they could under the circumstances and your comments are both hurtful to them and those of us that try very hard to make this community better. What do you do other than complain? We'd respect you more if you actually seemed to do something other than that...
I will give you some sound advice here ... pipe down with your comments because i tell you you will lose hands down by just about evryone on this community now... please do yourself a favour and do not bragg or try to tell people anything about Nokia doing right or have done in any way because you will get jumped on i guarentee you that !!!.

I do not whine i simple do NOT like you or your stoopid comments OK !!!.

ysss 2011-02-15 15:27
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http://youlookfiiine.files.wordpress...1/01/kitty.jpg

abill_uk 2011-02-15 15:28
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And ysss... DONT push it OK and that is BEFORE you start.

ysss 2011-02-15 15:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 947100)
And ysss... DONT push it OK and that is BEFORE you start.
http://www.catpalaceusa.com/cat_art_...print_main.jpghttp://www.catpalaceusa.com/cat_art_...print_main.jpg

abill_uk 2011-02-15 15:39
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I love cats hahaha. MORE PLEASE.

abill_uk 2011-02-15 15:40
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I call you Mr Nowhere man hahaha.

daperl 2011-02-15 15:41
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Who ever created the trollbot named abill_uk needs to revisit their code. That thing has been the suck from day one.

tswindell 2011-02-15 15:41
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@ysss, hahah, classic.

@Frappacino, yes, I probably don't respect the majority of people on this forum. I respect those that help, offer constructive criticism or feature requests. I respect those that post informative information. I do not respect people that cry, moan, etc. about how awful Nokia are and how much of a sod Elop is. I don't care, I have my own opinions on Nokia & Elop, etc. But I don't really see much good in moaning about it. Why don't we just try and make the best of what we have. After all, "Nokia - Connecting People" kinda worked here didn't it? Even if the majority of people on this forum are moaners ..

abill_uk 2011-02-15 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 947111)
Who ever created the trollbot named abill_uk needs to revisit their code. That thing has been the suck from day one.
AHA we now got no less than three NOKIA bumboys together, please live on this thread and the rest of us can all avoid you lot like the plauge. :D

abill_uk 2011-02-15 15:46
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2007 was obviously the year of the Nokian lovers. hahahaha.

tswindell 2011-02-15 15:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 947120)
2007 was obviously the year of the Nokian lovers. hahahaha.
I must say I had a lot of respect for Nokia then yes. Now I'm just sad that they seem to have lost control desparetly seeking out for a life jacket. I believed and still do MeeGo would do that for them. We obviously differ in opinion here. But they are just a company, as long as they keep building compelling devices (though maybe not perfect or bleeding edge) based on Maemo & MeeGo, I will continue buying them. Because, I love using them, and I love developing them.

And like 2006 and 2007 being the Nokia lovers, 2010 was obviously the moaning little cockroaches year... (Harsh I know)

Ayle 2011-02-17 01:32
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Has anyone seen the prizes for the Meego coding contest?
http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/opportunities

That looks nice.

Renkon 2011-02-17 10:09
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Yeah. The funny part:
<joke>
The first two prizes for the best coding are .. a) sending you to the southpole or b) smashing you against the sonic wall in a russian aircraft.

@Internal Intel Developers: That's a good way to eliminate coding competitors ;)
</joke>

automagic68 2011-02-17 22:24
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When will we see a Nokia MeeGo device so I can vote with my dollars? Nokia announced that their first Windows Phone will have ST Ericsson U8500, do you think the MeeGo device will also have it? What about the camera?

olympus 2011-02-17 22:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by automagic68 (Post 949253)
When will we see a Nokia MeeGo device so I can vote with my dollars? Nokia announced that their first Windows Phone will have ST Ericsson U8500, do you think the MeeGo device will also have it? What about the camera?
When and where did nokia announce that their first WP7 phone will use STE U8500? Source?

automagic68 2011-02-18 06:26
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Mynokiablog.com

Daneel 2011-02-18 07:22
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abill_uk - internet thug extraordinaire and an engineer at the same time.
Carrying the dark faith of countless dead USB sticks on his shoulders, piss him off and wave goodbye to yours.
abill_uk - his threats are threatning.

meegolinux.it 2011-02-18 16:39
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If the eventually next (first and last?) Nokia Meego device will be decent, I will buy it. Otherwise i simply pass over and look for another Meego device, if anyone there will be one.

Viipottaja 2011-02-18 16:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by olympus (Post 949269)
When and where did nokia announce that their first WP7 phone will use STE U8500? Source?
They didn't.

juniorbsd 2011-05-19 06:00
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well i really believe that Intel will come with good expected mobile phones hardware (principally with its new 33nano 3d ivy bridge technology) and surely if it will run linux they will be choosing the best choice, cause today only maemo and meego do the real linux job in ARM acrchitecture. im totally anxious waiting the new intel phone!!!!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 945879)
MeeGo is not dead.
Instead of a joint Intel-Nokia project it is now only an Intel project.

And this might be for the better if you consider the whole picture.

As we see now, Nokia is like a headless chicken than blunders about, trying to find a partner (whether Intel or Microsoft, any partner) that would save them from themselves. Whatever the end result, Nokia is, and was, acting without a clear strategy or purpose. (This is why they dropped the ball so badly on Maemo and Symbian before.)

Intel, however, has solid business reasons to support MeeGo to the end.

Consider:

1. Intel needs a mobile OS if they want to succeed in the mobile business. (And they want to succeed.)

2. Whatever the OS they choose, they need one that capitalizes on the advantages of Intel's chips. The main advantages of Intel over the competition are twofold: a) performance and b) compatibility with existing software. The main advantages of MeeGo over the other open mobile OS's are also twofold: a) the ability to run powerful desktop software and b) compatibility with the existing Unix software API's. Intel and MeeGo are a very good match!

3. With MeeGo Intel has a unique offering -- they can now offer a complete hardware spectrum, from desktop to netbook to mobile to set-top to in-car, all running the same binary-compatible (!) software.

4. Intel already supports MeeGo. There is already a working, supported and marketed netbook MeeGo distribution. Now the other parts of the picture need to be filled in.

5. Intel dominates the server room today, thanks entirely to Linux and open source. There is no reason why they shouldn't try the same strategy w.r.t. the mobile industry.

6. Intel cannot win siding with Android only. With Android, Intel's chips will have to compete solely based on price and power-consumption features, and this is an area where Intel cannot win.

So, in summary: if you care about mobile Linux and open source, then the best and most effective course of action is to a) forget about Nokia and b) buy whatever Intel-MeeGo phone comes out this year and support them with your money!


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