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Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by exo (Post 946571)

The 'Plan B' strategy reads like a wishlist, the whole thing seems to be an idea of eliminating all cost-cutting and increasing spending on new talent to bet the entire company on MeeGo. The reason Nokia is in its current situation is the board decided they don't want to bet the company on MeeGo. A plan that outlines an absolute boatload of spending with no financial plan isn't going to get anywhere.

It reads like a few of we nerds upset that we're not getting a toy we were promised and are throwing a temper tantrum. I used to sound like this sometimes... 20 years ago, when I was 18 and just entered college. :o
The idealistic if misguided kids who wrote this don't understand how the financial world works and they're going to have their hearts yanked out if they actually try to go through with this. A large amount of stock is owned by hedge funds, pension plans and large institutions. Their only concern is a return on investment. In many cases, they have a fiduciary responsibility to their clients to maximize ROI and could actually be sued for seeking to do otherwise. I've watched shareholders vote down proposals to not buy goods from companies that use child or prison labor, to offer equal benefits to gay and lesbian employees, etc. The first time you see a shareholders' meeting vote against protecting exploited children a little piece of your soul dies I think.
You can be sure Nokia shareholders are not people passionately committed to Linux or Qt; they want value for their investment and are going to go the way the CEO and the board (which approved the WP7 arrangement) advise to go. As exo noted, this isn't even a plan for a return to leading the smartphone market or increasing profits.

The author Dick Mitchell once wrote that when people are asked what their financial plan is, it's to make more money. He correctly wrote that that's not a plan, it's a wish or goal. If he were alive today, I'm sure he'd say the same of this statement from the cited website:

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Return the company to a strategy that seeks high growth and high profit margins through innovation and overwhelmingly superior products with unrivaled user experience.

I don't think the former, and definitely, the current employees of Nokia who purportedly created this website have any idea how to do that. This makes it sound like Nokia's explicit strategy was to decrease market share and create inferior products, and all Nokia has to do is to want to make superior products again. Maybe the author of "The Secret" is one of the anonymous stockholders. :p

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 946579)

What do you mean by "current situation"? Nokia's last quarter was a real good one and the company is in the blacks by a huge margin. They have lost market share in the smartphone segment but Meego/Qt was supposed to fix that. WP7 has around 3% market share in the high end segment and does not seem to go anywhere but down from there.

At one time Apple and Google had 3% market share too. WP7 is getting multitasking, hardware accelerated HTML5 (which blows away iPhone 4 in the YouTube video) and several other updates this year. When it lands on Nokia phones it automatically becomes the #2 mobile OS as numerous tech articles point out today. Microsoft is pouring billions into this, etc., etc., etc. All the factors look positive and this pessimism is starting to get ridiculous; I haven't seen this kind of thing since the people who refused to admit Hillary Clinton didn't get the 2008 Democratic nomination.

Hint: When you go from 38% to 28% of the smartphone segment in one year, you don't say you had a good quarter. You say your company is heading for a death spiral unless something is done. It's this kind of denial that caused the board to go far outside and select Mr. Elop in the first place. Nokia's been far too complacent for far too long.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 946628)

no offence but that article sounds like it was written by the love child of Texrat and Tomi Ahonen.

GIFs! GIFs! GIFs!

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 946764)

Yes - a bad business decision

Ok, criticizing's the easy part. Now for the hard part: please explain what a better decision would have been and why.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 946521)

dude its a press release ...

dude, companies in NASDAQ have pretty serious rules and regulations concerning press releases....

Re: Nokia Plan B

You puckz are you here I got News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I have spoken to [Intel CEO] Paul Otellini multiple times; he knew we were going through a decision-making process [and] he expressed his disappointment," Elop said.

"I'm meeting with him and his team tomorrow to talk about next steps [and] how do we evolve [the Nokia-Intel relationship]," Elop continued. "You're going to see a bunch of highly exciting MeeGo announcements today."

Source:http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2380269,00.asp

This means 1 of 2 things!
He's going to meet with Intel and get Meego going cause he sees the internets is mad OR he going to meet with Intel to make them kill Meego on their end also!

Re: Nokia Plan B

lol... never in my wildest dream would I be citing Rule 34 on a fellow forum member... (to a blogger, no less).

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by somedude (Post 946679)

in July 2010 it was US $8.02 and on May 2009 it was US $9.64. I still cannot see the correlation between Elop's statement and their share price.

you don't seem to have noticed global financial crisis either....

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by deyons (Post 946776)

The second, obviously. After the 'elopacalypse' Nokia stock crashed, and on top of that, Intel is pissed off that Nokia suddenly walked out of their Intel-Nokia partnership.

Elop is going to lay off some of his Linux and MeeGo hate for the sake of making Intel happy. Nokia might even release a MeeGo device or two to make Intel less angry.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by alcalde (Post 946770)

WP7 is getting multitasking, ...

from what i've heard: no. they'll just save the state of an application when they switch. it'll not be multitasking.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 946676)

Lifespan of five years for symbian may sound dumb but fact is not all people want smartphones or similar "complicated phones". Old people just want to have a very siomple phone. Thats where symbian40 still is valid.

and in european people still using symbian phones without dislike it ... My guess is that E7 can success or could until idiot elop scared them away by saying symbian is dead.

And Symbian is much more better OS than WP7. It has multitasking, copy paste, custom ringtones, BT file transfer etc.. WP7 is as good as DOS.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02...s_are_missing/

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 946791)

from what i've heard: no. they'll just save the state of an application when they switch. it'll not be multitasking.

isn't that already been patented with trademark "iMultiTasking" ?

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 946791)

from what i've heard: no. they'll just save the state of an application when they switch. it'll not be multitasking.

CORRECT it's not real multiTasking
http://images.intomobile.com/wp-cont.../03/multi1.jpg

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WP7 is getting multitasking,

See picture Above, it's not real multiTasking

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hardware accelerated HTML5 (which blows away iPhone 4 in the YouTube video)

LOL HTML5 <- Cause you don't got Flash, it's 2011 No Flash lolx2!!!

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and several other updates this year.

Still waiting for that Copy Paste update?

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When it lands on Nokia phones it automatically becomes the #2

Maybe...only cause It will be distributed world wide which is a bigger market

alcalde where do you buy your weed from? cause you on some $h!t

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by alcalde (Post 946770)

Hint: When you go from 38% to 28% of the smartphone segment in one year, you don't say you had a good quarter. You say your company is heading for a death spiral unless something is done. It's this kind of denial that caused the board to go far outside and select Mr. Elop in the first place. Nokia's been far too complacent for far too long.

2009 Windows had 12% of the smartphone market and in 2010 it had 3%! What do you make of that? WP7 has 1.5% today and does not seem to be going anywhere but down. Nokia is betting on the wrong horse!

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 946901)

2009 Windows had 12% of the smartphone market and in 2010 it had 3%! What do you make of that? WP7 has 1.5% today and does not seem to be going anywhere but down. Nokia is betting on the wrong horse!

'Wrong' is a matter of perspective.

In this case the 'third horse' in the three-horse race is a Trojan horse filled with behind-the-scenes bonus deals. (For the right people, of course.)

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 946903)

'Wrong' is a matter of perspective.

In this case the 'third horse' in the three-horse race is a Trojan horse filled with behind-the-scenes bonus deals. (For the right people, of course.)

I meant Nokia as a company of course. Make no mistake, Elop will get paid a lot by Ballmer for this.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by alcalde (Post 946770)

WP7 is getting multitasking, hardware accelerated HTML5 (which blows away iPhone 4 in the YouTube video) and several other updates this year. When it lands on Nokia phones it automatically becomes the #2 mobile OS as numerous tech articles point out today. Microsoft is pouring billions into this, etc., etc., etc. All the factors look positive and this pessimism is starting to get ridiculous;

Does WP7 support multi-core CPUs? Is it even written thread-safe so it would be possible in the future?

All the high-end phones from Barcelona this week have dual-core CPUs with Android.

At least Meego would have multi-core support.

What the plan B misses still, is a question of Android platform having two years of ahead start of number of applications available.

Plan B should maybe consider having Dalvik VM in Meego so Meego-phone would immediately have applications over critical mass and Meego-people could concentrate on OS and GUI 110% at first. The Qt-applications will come later if there is a need, but first being able to run lots of Android-apps top of Meego would be an advantage! It could be either Alien Dalvik (the license per phone surely costs less than license for WP7) or FOSS Dalvik in later time if that is developed.

Re: Nokia Plan B

I wonder how these guys will convice nokia's shareolders. their unique chance is that nokia don't release any wp7 until may.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 946587)

Boards dont go looking for new CEOs without a reason.

They do if shareholders tell them to. Such is the price of a public company, if these voices raise to a vote and that vote passes, it is good bye board.

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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 946613)

They have no long term vision they only registered the domain for 1 year.

AFAIK it is a '.com' and can only be bought for 1 year at a time,

Couple of good comment articles.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02...are_revolting/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02...ndows_phone_7/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02...s_are_missing/

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by alcalde (Post 946768)

All I heard when I joined this site last year was how Nokia was making a Business decision to stop support on Maemo and focus om Meego. Now I hear the same tired line being brought out as Nokia announces the Liquidation of Symbian, Meego and Maemo for another outside os that has not caught on despite being made from arguably the most well known tech company in the world. On another note it was "business decisions" that almost led to a global financial meltdown.

How about running a "business" like a mom and pop store? Support your products, make your customers feel good etc....do these business principles have no value?

Re: Nokia Plan B

Its too late for Nokia. They are already doomed. Right now if they fire Elop and bring back MeeGo and Symbian alive, they will be left way behind in the competition. Right now the best thing they can do is keep MeeGo and Symbian alive and still use them in their handsets give more varieties in their handsets.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by maverick788us (Post 947000)

That is what I don't get. Why throw away already worked on home grown os's for an outside one that so far has failed and that you will not have exclusive rights to anyway? Nokia is a huge company would it really have been that hard to keep actively developing meego and just see what would happen? As opposed to basically giving it a public hanging in the middle to the town square?

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by extendedping (Post 947013)

my sentiments exactly. only reason i can think of is that ms got scared of meego and it's potential to pull the rug from under windowms feet. symbian had the functionality, meego had the functionality and the wow factor.. would have been hard for ms to keep up with all the open source devs.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by johnny_knoe (Post 947015)

More plans coming up ;)

http://www.nokiaplanc.com/
http://www.nokiapland.com/
http://www.nokiaplane.com/
http://www.nokiaplanf.com/
http://www.nokiaplang.com/
http://www.nokiaplanh.com/

Looooooooooooooooooool

I thought you were kidding with fake URLs

btw there is www.nokiaplant.com too :)

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by johnny_knoe (Post 947015)

http://www.nokiapland.com/

Hehe, I think I actually would buy some Nokia shoes, their hardware has always been rock-solid. With some padding two E7s might work well as slippers? Or even snow skates - someone should make a video :D

Re: Nokia Plan B

plan N for future linux devises. thats it thas all :D

Re: Nokia Plan B

I think all these fake plans makes no credible the real plan b. It's funny but please don"t make follow those links...

Re: Nokia Plan B

wow wow lol :)
as a matter of speaking, they can put the good old plan 9 into action

Re: Nokia Plan B

it has a jolly good user experience

I encourage any shareholder to goto nokiaplanb.com

We are a group of nine young Nokia shareholders. All of us have worked with Nokia in different capacities in the past. We plan to challenge the company’s strategy and partnership with Microsoft in the next Annual General Meeting scheduled for May 3, 2011.
If you elect us to a majority in the Nokia Board of Directors we will pursue the following agenda:

Return the company to a strategy that seeks high growth and high profit margins through innovation and overwhelmingly superior products with unrivaled user experience.
Maintain ownership and control of the software layer of the Nokia products. Software is where innovation, differentiation and shareholder value can most easily be created.
Revamp hiring strategy to target the top young software talent from around the world. Only if Nokia is able to attract and keep the best talent in the industry it will be able to generate the level of innovation that is needed to achieve sustained growth and consistently high profit margins.
Dramatically increase efficiency by eliminating outdated and bureaucratic R&D practices like geographically distributed software development and outsourcing.
Avoid at all cost becoming a poorly differentiated OEM with only low margin, commodity products that is unable to attract top software talent and cannot create shareholder value though innovation.

If you elect us to a majority in the Nokia Board of Directors we will take the following concrete actions:

Immediate discharge of Stephen Elop from his duties as President and CEO of the company. Appointment of a new CEO with an international mobile industry background. The new CEO will be committed to carry on the rest of the actions listed below.
Restructure alliance with Microsoft as a tactical exercise focused primarily at the North American market. Release one or two Windows Phone devices under a Nokia sub-brand. Only if carrier acceptance, sales volumes and profit margins are satisfactory, consider releasing more WP devices and make them available in Europe. Windows Phone will not be the primary development platform for Nokia. The Nokia phones with Windows Phone operating system will simply take advantage of the existing developer tools and application ecosystem already put in place by Microsoft.
MeeGo will be Nokia’s primary smartphone platform. This is where the bulk of the innovation will happen. If MeeGo does not bring great devices to market at an accelerated pace, this strategy will not work. MeeGo smartphones and tablet devices will offer overwhelmingly superior experiences and applications than iOS and Android based competitor products. To reduce time to market, all MeeGo R&D will be done in-house and in a single geographical location. If necessary, suspend cooperation with Intel and concentrate resources on innovation and releasing new Nokia MeeGo devices to market faster.
Increase the lifespan of Symbian to a minimum of 5 years. Reap the profits of the existing market share and consumer preference that Symbian already enjoys in Europe and Asia. Increasingly use Symbian to target mid-tier and feature phone segments. Up-sell existing Symbian users to MeeGo. Focus Symbian efforts in specific countries in Europe, Asia and Latin America where Nokia and Symbian enjoy a high level of consumer goodwill and can be sold at healthy margins.
Developer strategy based on Qt with primary focus on MeeGo, but providing a credible developer story for Symbian. Enable developers to make money by targeting the huge Symbian installed based while simultaneously offering their best user experience on the MeeGo platform. All this with a common developer ecosystem that allows writing and releasing software for both Meego and Symbian with minimal interoperability work.
End of distributed R&D. Transition to an R&D setup where 90% of all Nokia R&D takes place in only two geographical locations. One of them will be in Finland and the other will be defined later. There will be no more R&D projects with resources in multiple cities and different time zones. Only small tactical software projects will be allowed to take place outside two main R&D locations.
End of R&D outsourcing. Bring all core software and hardware development in-house. Immediate end to outsourcing structures where there are multiple layers of Nokia project managers and subcontractor project managers between product managers and the software developers (in some cases up to 90% of the team is management overhead). This action implies substantial personnel layoffs in Finland and other R&D locations worldwide as well as hiring of key external talent and possibly tactical company acquisitions.
Leadership team shakeup. Immediate discharge of Tero Ojänpera, Niklas Savander and Mary McDowell from all their duties with the company. Other members of the Nokia Leadership Team may be discharged pending individual reviews with the Board of Directors. Discharged members of the Nokia Leadership team to be replaced with internal and external talent.
Aggressively recruit young software talent from top universities. Nokia Recruiting to actively visit top universities worldwide to screen and and invite top students for interviews in Nokia R&D locations. Establish a credible and rewarding technical career progression path in Nokia (to avoid the best talent leaving the company or becoming management overhead). Offer internationally competitive salaries to new talent (if necessary, significantly above local market salaries). Establish Nokia as a company where the best and the brightest want to work.
Specific further actions related to the S40 platform, the Ovi services and the company’s marketing activities will be determined at a later stage.

We will update this website with more specific information about this Plan B and about ourselves in the near future. We will also provide specific instructions on how you can support us and make sure this Plan B is approved during the next Nokia Annual General Meeting.

For now, if you are a Nokia shareholder or institutional investor and support this plan, please get in touch with us at investors (at) NokiaPlanB.com. You can also help us by publicly expressing your support for this plan in your website, blog, twitter feed, Facebook page or by issuing a press release.

If you are a Nokia user, Nokia employee, Nokia fan, or if you develop applications for Nokia phones and want to support this proposal, please click on the ‘Facebook Like’ and ‘Tweet’ buttons on this website. We’d also love if you could post links to this Plan B from your blog or website.

Re: Nokia Plan B

a thread on this topic already exists here.

Re: Nokia Plan B

Their plan looks very much like what I wanted Elop/new CEO to do.

Too bad that their chances to get this trough at the shareholders general meeting are in the 'snowball in hell' range.

Re: Nokia Plan B

atleast WP7 will get descent silverlight, flash 10 and hardware acceleration support. something maemo never managed.

Face it guys... open source is not the future for consumers... they couldnt care less if there are restrictions behind the curtains. Stop dreaming and wake up, out of your fairytale. People want good working systems... not systems where a bunch of unexperienced people are building custom firmwares for.

I enjoyed my n900 allot, but its time to get back to the real world. Im very interested in this alliance. Microsoft is coming with big stuff this year. its sure as hell allot better then symbian!

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by sygys (Post 947083)

Are you shitting me? Have you even used symbian? Symbian ALMOST A DECADE AGO had more features than WP7.

bwa bwa boo hoo, my symbian phone does not have fading transitions. I dont want removable media, full SIP support, sockets, multi-tasking or choice. boo hoo hoo.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by sygys (Post 947083)

Face it guys... open source is not the future for consumers...

WTF! Are you saying that Android isn't the future for consumers? And Meego is much better than Android on decent hardware.

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by sygys (Post 947083)

One of the big differences between open source and colsed source is that you can do what the closed source don't (want to) offer to you.

If the close source don't want you to have (for example) copy and paste, you won't have it, in the open source you can (or other with more knowledge) do it.

Grettings.

Re: Nokia Plan B

Plan B is not happy with the new arrangement. :(

http://i52.tinypic.com/1zycv1v.png

Re: Nokia Plan B

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Originally Posted by sygys (Post 947083)

atleast WP7 will get descent silverlight, flash 10 and hardware acceleration support. something maemo never managed.

LOL. I had a witty comment to make, but my stupid meter just broke, sorry.