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NoX 2011-02-21 09:46

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
anjin, i'm from zaragoza!

(it's a little strange to talk to you in English since we are both Spanish, but since this is an international forum, I don't like to exclude anyone...)

If you want to test the N900 I have seen it exposed at MediaMarkt during last year, but I'm not sure they have it anymore...
I also have seen it in El Corte Inglés, they still sell it without contract, but they haven't updated the price! it's still over 600€!!!

As for the "should I buy it" question... I like the device very much! I would buy it again, even now that it seems a little hardware outdated.

I'm a very mad with Nokia at the moment anyway... I don't know what's going to happen with N900/Maemo/Meego and with Qt/Qt Creator which I use everyday...

I hope someday we can have a N900 sucessor, even if it's from Intel. As for the N900 I hope mine doesn't get broken until then :-)

vivmak 2011-02-21 10:11

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
in response to original question:

yes if you can find between $100 and $200 and also screen size is sufficient for you
:

anjin 2011-02-21 11:47

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 951324)

Personally, I can't get over the fact that I'm using the exact same Vim text editor on my N900 that I use for all my work on my desktop machines. Not a crippled version, or an app that kind of looks like Vim, but the real deal. That, along with the fact that I can squeeze 80 columns of text onto the screen and still read it easily, means I can work with serious documents and source code files without any trouble.

I'm certainly writing more with my N900 that I'd ever expected I would with a cell-phone-sized device.

Well. this is certinly a very good news. The keyboard lack is the worst thing on my device right now, 'cause its affect every other use on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 951324)
I'm not sure there's a much simpler way than to use the usb cable. :) Also, I connect to my Mac over bluetooth without needing any third party applications; that works quite simply as well.

I don't know how the n900 does, but my other nokias connected by usb cable are seen from the mac like a external usb memory. It means I can browse them from my mac, but not the reverse. I cannot browse the mac from my mobile. For doing that I use a bluetooth application on the phone.I'd like to know if there is some kind of file manager on n900 to browse file on macintosh (or pc) using the wifi or bluetooth. I am not sure if I am able to explain right. Sorry for my bad english.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 951324)
Well, odds are the N900 will pretty much be the last of its kind to come out of Nokia. Android phones really don't give you the same kind of options you have with Maemo (unless you hack them to do so), and of course iOS and WP7 are essentially useless except as containers for pointless little apps. (Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but my previous phone was an iPhone; I enjoyed playing with it for a while after I got it, but eventually I just ended up doing nothing more with it than answering phone calls. I just don't have time to sit and watch teensy tiny pretty little apps doing teensy tiny pointless little things.)

WP7 is out of my interest; Android could be a better option than symbian. I am a apple user, but I don't like iOS, and dont' like the limitation of the system. I like the big number of applications, but I don't want an iphone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 951324)
In short, the future may look bleak for the N900, but there's not a lot of competing products that can do what it does. I think it's still worth far more than the competitors.

More I read about it, more I like it.

anjin 2011-02-21 11:51

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 951344)
Buy it if you like it, Buy it if you want it, Buy it if you need it, Buy it if you can afford it :)

Those are the wisest words you can never forget.

hmmm: I like it on the paper, 'cause I think you have to try a device before to say you like it. ;)
Do I want ti? Sure... it and 3 or 4 more... :P
Do I need it? I can live without it, but it seems I could do a good use of this little beast.

Can I afford it? Yes, but I hate to waste my money on something I am not sure enough or good documented about. :)

But I see your point!

Joseph.skb 2011-02-21 11:59

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 951739)
but I hate to waste my money on something I am not sure enough or good documented about.

Hey! It could be a great paper weight if you decide to use something else - just joking.

But seriously, once you get over the form factor, everything else inside is just great. I don't do development stuffs but am still learning and enjoying my N900 after 5 months!

I just wish someone will help develop 3G video call and voice navigation to go with the Ovi maps.

nicholes 2011-02-21 12:05

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
@anjin

are you still thinking to buy N900??????

if i were you, i had bought N900 as yet

abubakar 2011-02-21 12:41

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 951324)
..
In short, the future may look bleak for the N900, but there's not a lot of competing products that can do what it does. I think it's still worth far more than the competitors.

could not agree more !!

Copernicus 2011-02-21 12:51

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 951734)
I don't know how the n900 does, but my other nokias connected by usb cable are seen from the mac like a external usb memory. It means I can browse them from my mac, but not the reverse. I cannot browse the mac from my mobile.

Ah, sorry! I got it backwards. :) Yes, I've been connecting my n900 to my Mac as an external USB drive, and that's also what I've been doing with bluetooth. I've never tried to do the reverse...

Hmm. From a quick check of the website here (and a little browsing on my N900), it seems that (as shipped) the N900 has no clients for NFS, Samba, even command-line FTP. I am able to browse my Mac via FTP through the web browser though, so at least that is available. It looks like UPnP is also available, if you're wanting to use your Mac as a media server.

But you can probably get client software for pretty much anything. (Except perhaps AFP. :) ) I guess the more important question is, in what manner are you wanting to share files from your Mac?

anjin 2011-02-21 12:51

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NoX (Post 951670)
anjin, i'm from zaragoza!

(it's a little strange to talk to you in English since we are both Spanish, but since this is an international forum, I don't like to exclude anyone...)

Cannot agree more. Better to talk in english here!

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoX (Post 951670)
If you want to test the N900 I have seen it exposed at MediaMarkt during last year, but I'm not sure they have it anymore...
I also have seen it in El Corte Inglés, they still sell it without contract, but they haven't updated the price! it's still over 600€!!!

I find the price for a n900 brand new really out of the market, especially in Spain. I know that's a big device, but it's old. Nokia almost don't update it, and the price on the road is around 500 euros?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoX (Post 951670)
As for the "should I buy it" question... I like the device very much! I would buy it again, even now that it seems a little hardware outdated.

I'm a very mad with Nokia at the moment anyway... I don't know what's going to happen with N900/Maemo/Meego and with Qt/Qt Creator which I use everyday...

I hope someday we can have a N900 sucessor, even if it's from Intel. As for the N900 I hope mine doesn't get broken until then :-)

What do you use your n900 for?

anjin 2011-02-21 13:01

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Copernicus (Post 951778)
Ah, sorry! I got it backwards. :) Yes, I've been connecting my n900 to my Mac as an external USB drive, and that's also what I've been doing with bluetooth. I've never tried to do the reverse...

Hmm. From a quick check of the website here (and a little browsing on my N900), it seems that (as shipped) the N900 has no clients for NFS, Samba, even command-line FTP. I am able to browse my Mac via FTP through the web browser though, so at least that is available. It looks like UPnP is also available, if you're wanting to use your Mac as a media server.

But you can probably get client software for pretty much anything. (Except perhaps AFP. :) ) I guess the more important question is, in what manner are you wanting to share files from your Mac?

Well, it's difficult to know what I will do with the n900, but I can tell what I do sometimes with the x6. If I am transferring some files from the device to the mac or the reverse I use bluetooth from macintosh and just browse the device memory. If they are big files I use the usb cable and use the mobile as a external memory. When I am at home but in other room (read for ex in the bed) and I want to see some files I have on computer, I have more problems. I have this BT application that permit it to me. I'd like to pass in Wifi. I think you are talking about it when you say there are clients. I suppose I could use a SMB protocol... Anyway it's not something I cannot live without.

theonelaw 2011-02-21 13:13

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 951790)
,,, If I am transferring some files from the device to the mac or the reverse I use bluetooth from macintosh and just browse the device memory. If they are big files I use the usb cable and use the mobile as a external memory. When I am at home but in other room (read for ex in the bed) and I want to see some files I have on computer, I have more problems. I have this BT application that permit it to me. I'd like to pass in Wifi. I think you are talking about it when you say there are clients. I suppose I could use a SMB protocol... Anyway it's not something I cannot live without.

Midnight Commander lets you file trnsfer into/from other computer
using ftp or ssh
:)

NoX 2011-02-21 13:20

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 951779)
What do you use your n900 for?

The basics:
GSM calls, Skype calls
Email, web
MP3, video
Taking photos (the camera was one of the best at the moment, but now it's surpassed by the competence)
GPS navigation

The advanced:
Logging by ssh to my personal server
Some Qt programming, nothing professional, it's just to myself
Annoy some my friends that owns iPhone 4 by telling them why N900 it's superior :-p

What I like specially:
The full keyboard!
The Maemo OS and it's openness
The web browser
Easy Debian
H-E-N (for usb host, tested with various flash drives)
Community SSU
I can run Meego and Android on it besides Maemo
Great storage capacity (32Gb + microSD)

What I don't like:
The abandonment by Nokia
Battery capacity (but it isn't worse than with other smartphones)
It could be thinner and with better screen contrast

Copernicus 2011-02-21 13:24

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 951790)
When I am at home but in other room (read for ex in the bed) and I want to see some files I have on computer, I have more problems. I have this BT application that permit it to me. I'd like to pass in Wifi.

Ah, ok, if you're just wanting to do that sort of lightweight file transfer, FTP should be fine. And yes, it works over Wifi without any trouble. (The only real downside of FTP is that it is less secure than most other methods...)

And yeah, you don't need any third party applications. I just did it by going into System Preferences, selecting "Sharing" (in the "Internet & Wireless" section), and clicking on the "File Sharing" checkbox. You'll also need to hit the "Options..." button for File Sharing, in order to select the "Share files and folders using FTP" checkbox. Then, just follow the directions below that checkbox to connect to your Mac from another computer (such as the n900).

NokTokDaddy 2011-02-21 14:08

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNokiaN900 (Post 951238)
Hi Anjin,

I would highly recommend a Nokia N900 any day...

I could go on and on and on, but I think I have said enough...

That was undoubtedly one of the best arguments for N900 I have ever come across :cool:

Made me look at my N900 in a warm, fuzzy glow...

abubakar 2011-02-21 14:16

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
aww ..

* hugs his n900 *

* glares at stephen elop *

Kevstacey 2011-02-21 14:46

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
ive had mine for over a year and it keeps getting better and better :D

It does so much now, and when Alien Dalvik is released it will make it unbeatable :D

sak500 2011-02-21 15:10

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
You can buy mine, NO issues whatsoever, working pefectly and being used only as mp3 player for past 6 months after accquiring iPhone 4.

Additional Features
1ghz/125mhz high/low speed by powerkernal.
Nitdroid on partition on 8gb Class 6 card. Might remove the card and give u on 4gb card.
leather case worth $40, which covers keyboard in plastic as well so it's protected and you can type on it while still in case.

Joseph.skb 2011-02-21 23:15

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Anjin: I'm surprised this is still going on. Maybe what you could do is give us the list of alternative phones and we could let you know if the N900 is going to bring you pleasure or regrets. Right now it's almost impossible to recommend any phone to you without knowing your scope, preference, uses, etc. At least when you put it in perspective of an alternative product, we can gauge which has a better performance, faster functionality, applications and support, etc.

A lot of times we buy based on feelings (not people's recommendation), so, we need to establish what's already in your wish list to advise you where the N900 stand in terms of your wish list.

anjin 2011-02-22 09:16

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph.skb (Post 952244)
Anjin: I'm surprised this is still going on. Maybe what you could do is give us the list of alternative phones and we could let you know if the N900 is going to bring you pleasure or regrets. Right now it's almost impossible to recommend any phone to you without knowing your scope, preference, uses, etc. At least when you put it in perspective of an alternative product, we can gauge which has a better performance, faster functionality, applications and support, etc.

A lot of times we buy based on feelings (not people's recommendation), so, we need to establish what's already in your wish list to advise you where the N900 stand in terms of your wish list.

Thank your and for the other forum users for your answers. In the first post I tried to explain what I have and what I miss in the device I own. For that I am trying figuring if the n900 could be the right device for me (I think yes at this point of the thread)
I keep having 3 little things in doubts:
1) if the problem I have with a lot of images on the symbian of the x6 it'd be the same on n900.
2) I like the capacitive screen of the x6 (for its strenght and resistance), I don't like his lack of precision but I don't worry to put the mobile in my pocket without a folder (but not with other objects)
3) The lack of support from Nokia, but I hope that with the community it'll be a no problem.

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-22 17:49

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Why will viewing images on the N900 present the same problems as the X6? There is nothing wrong with viewing images on the N900. It's a much better system on the N900 than it is on s60v5 X6. I've already said this earlier in this thread.

Just buy the damn thing already.

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-22 17:50

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
I'm starting to think that Anjin is winding us up. Trolling perhaps.

anjin 2011-02-22 17:55

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 952889)
Why will viewing images on the N900 present the same problems as the X6? There is nothing wrong with viewing images on the N900. It's a much better system on the N900 than it is on s60v5 X6. I've already said this earlier in this thread.

Just buy the damn thing already.

OK, so the image "problem" is out. Good!
I should go to see it IRL in a shop next week end. And see some street price.

One question more: is there a way on n900 to extract all text from a pdf into a txt file?

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-22 18:00

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 952512)
For that I am trying figuring if the n900 could be the right device for me (I think yes at this point of the thread)

"I think yes at this point in the thread"

Oh come on, 7 pages of people spoonfeeding you the features of the phone and praising it to high heaven, and you still think "maybe yes"?

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-22 18:06

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 952894)
One question more: is there a way on n900 to extract all text from a pdf into a txt file?

I'm only familiar with the built in PDF Reader and as far as I know you can't copy text from a PDF.

Copernicus 2011-02-22 18:12

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 952512)
I keep having 3 little things in doubts:
1) if the problem I have with a lot of images on the symbian of the x6 it'd be the same on n900.

Actually, I was just playing around with the picture manager of the N900 this weekend; I dumped a pile of something like 1000 pictures on the thing to see how it would handle it. A "thumbnailer" app started running for something like an hour or so, causing everything else to slow down; but, once it finished, the thing had no problem at all. My only other experience, as I've probably mentioned before, is with the iPhone; on that, if you run through a large set of pictures quickly, the device has to pause after about 100 pictures or so (probably to pre-load data or something). I haven't yet seen the same pause on the N900; you can apparently blow through the entire set of thumbnails as fast as you can scroll... :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 952512)
2) I like the capacitive screen of the x6 (for its strenght and resistance), I don't like his lack of precision but I don't worry to put the mobile in my pocket without a folder (but not with other objects)

Well, here's where most opinions diverge on the N900. I personally really like the resistive screen. Yes, it is not as durable as a glass touchscreen, and yes, that means I've been more worried about allowing it to bump into things than I was with a capacitive screen. But the increase in precision is amazing!

Honestly, I've never felt comfortable with putting the N900 in my pocket. Then again, I never really put my iPhone in my pocket either, so I'm probably not going to help you much with this one. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by anjin (Post 952512)
3) The lack of support from Nokia, but I hope that with the community it'll be a no problem.

And here is where "open source" makes all the difference. Nokia may or may not provide any support in the future, but if they do not, others can step in and provide fixes for code where the source is available. And even if they do not, you yourself can download the source and support yourself. It may not be easy, but unlike all the other options out there, it is possible. :)

NoX 2011-02-22 18:48

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 952902)
I'm only familiar with the built in PDF Reader and as far as I know you can't copy text from a PDF.

Then you know wrong :-)

You can extract the text from ANY pdf, even if it's protected, at least with evince under ubuntu...

And yes, you can extract the text from a pdf in your N900 using pdftotext command in the console

NoX 2011-02-22 18:58

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Copernicus , I agree with you in everything, and who needs nokia when Mohammad and many people in this forum are doing such a great job with the CSSU!!

With Nokia we asked if there was going to be an update that semester.... with CSSU we ask if there is going to be an update today! (and today we have an update!) :D

anjin 2011-02-22 19:03

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 952898)
"I think yes at this point in the thread"

Oh come on, 7 pages of people spoonfeeding you the features of the phone and praising it to high heaven, and you still think "maybe yes"?

I'm not trolling at all! Sorry if I gave you this idea. :(
In a lot other threads there are a lot of people with problems or talking about lacks of n900 so I preferred ask here.

anjin 2011-02-22 19:05

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NoX (Post 952929)
Then you know wrong :-)

You can extract the text from ANY pdf, even if it's protected, at least with evince under ubuntu...

And yes, you can extract the text from a pdf in your N900 using pdftotext command in the console

This is a really great thing. So I don't need passig for my computer or that!

NoX 2011-02-22 19:21

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Well, they call the N900 a "mobile computer" for a reason :-D

rm42 2011-02-22 19:32

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNokiaN900 (Post 951238)
Hi Anjin,

I would highly recommend a Nokia N900 any day. ...

You forgot to mention that the N900 has a built-in FM Transmitter. One of my favorite features. Are there other phones available with a built-in FM transmitter?

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-22 21:15

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rm42 (Post 952981)
You forgot to mention that the N900 has a built-in FM Transmitter. One of my favorite features. Are there other phones available with a built-in FM transmitter?

N97 has one

...............

rm42 2011-02-22 21:58

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 953057)
N97 has one

...............

Good to know. But, I doubt that you can boost the frequency as with the N900, right?

ericsson 2011-02-22 22:06

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 952889)
Why will viewing images on the N900 present the same problems as the X6? There is nothing wrong with viewing images on the N900. It's a much better system on the N900 than it is on s60v5 X6. I've already said this earlier in this thread.

Just buy the damn thing already.

NO!! don't buy - I mean YES!! buy. or maybe not. Why not wait for the N950?

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-22 22:08

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
@ RM42: Nah, you can't boost the frequency on the N97.

I didn't know you could on the N900 actually lol.

@ Ericcson

N950? What is this you speak of? Has there been some announcement I missed?

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-22 22:11

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Holy crap. I don't know anything today. Getting schooled left right and centre lol.

ericsson 2011-02-22 22:17

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 953113)
@ RM42: Nah, you can't boost the frequency on the N97.

I didn't know you could on the N900 actually lol.

@ Ericcson

N950? What is this you speak of? Has there been some announcement I missed?

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=952531&postcount=1

m4r0v3r 2011-02-22 22:19

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
you don't even need to use USB to view images it can be done over SSH. Meaning no wire is needed.

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-22 22:59

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 953125)

Blimey. There is different news everyday.

I skim read that. Is this a definite then? The N950 is definitely coming with Meego?

fahadj2003 2011-02-22 23:00

Re: should I buy a n900 now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 951490)
Then you will not be able to buy a NEW one.

did u fail the sarcasm class?


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