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abill_uk 2011-04-03 06:12

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
If your lucky enough to get a moderator to answer then treat it with care but it does depend on what moderator answers because i am afraid to say they are and can be just as much a troll as anyone else.

Read very carefully on this issue on many threads and you will also see it is always ignored by ALL moderators as no tags ever get removed.

They are all there to see for anyone interested and this has been an issue i brought up nearly a year ago...... good luck !.

number41 2011-04-03 06:22

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980761)
If your lucky enough to get a moderator to answer then treat it with care but it does depend on what moderator answers because i am afraid to say they are and can be just as much a troll as anyone else.

Read very carefully on this issue on many threads and you will also see it is always ignored by ALL moderators as no tags ever get removed.

They are all there to see for anyone interested and this has been an issue i brought up nearly a year ago...... good luck !.

Well, let us hope we garner some positive attention.... If not, I sure tried my best.

Personally, I wouldn't mind solely moderating the tags, or getting a more estabilished member of the community to do so. I think we all know that's a must, by now.

So... If you love tmo... Get onboard, let's get this forums clean.

Kangal 2011-04-03 06:26

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Anybody notice there is 0 tags trolled in this thread?

Yep, its working. I'm going off to start 10 more useless threads in retaliation!

abill_uk 2011-04-03 06:33

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 980767)
Anybody notice there is 0 tags trolled in this thread?

Yep, its working. I'm going off to start 10 more useless threads in retaliation!

Please do NOT do that because you want to make this point in a good way so please do not piss off the mods by opening many threads as this will be looked on just as bad as the issue being talked about on here.

abill_uk 2011-04-03 06:35

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
I think this issue is now being looked at more seriously now this thread has been started so please wait untill the busy time of this forum when it fills up with users, the comments will be VERY interesting to read, ALSO the tags !!!.

tzsm98 2011-04-03 06:36

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
[QUOTE=abill_uk;980771]I think this issue is now being looked at more seriously now this thread has been started ... snip[QUOTE]

LMAO

Benson 2011-04-03 07:00

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980697)
This forum has duel standards and the rules only count when it suites them.

So disputes over tagging are to be settled on the field of honor, then? Capital, I say!

nick.read 2011-04-03 07:28

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by number41 (Post 980745)
And if mods refuse to outright do their job... Troll the ***** out. Flooding is fine, too.

If you're going to ask for forum or rule changes, start by abiding by the rules. See http://talk.maemo.org/faq.php?faq=vb...q_tmorulestext - Foul language. Note the part about changing spelling and/or language to avoid the filter.

abill_uk 2011-04-03 07:36

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 980779)
So disputes over tagging are to be settled on the field of honor, then? Capital, I say!

OK OK i made a TYPO lol i am human you know? but sometimes on here exacting must always come first because someone somewhere will always correct you, it makes them feel good.

Kangal 2011-04-03 07:59

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tzsm98 (Post 980772)

"I think this issue is now being looked at more seriously now this thread has been started" ... snip
LMAO


LMAO!!!
Also ... You are a troll, just look @youravatar

KetkuFIN 2011-04-03 08:34

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
seems to me, that this thred is already tagtrolled.
thats just stupid and not funny.

abill_uk 2011-04-03 08:35

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
[QUOTE=Kangal;980804][QUOTE=tzsm98;980772]
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980771)
I think this issue is now being looked at more seriously now this thread has been started ... snip

LMAO!!!
Also ... You are a troll, just look @youravatar

Why do you want to make trouble? why dont you make comments that are not derogatory, do you think you are being clever ?.

mishmich 2011-04-03 09:16

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nick.read (Post 980788)
If you're going to ask for forum or rule changes, start by abiding by the rules. See http://talk.maemo.org/faq.php?faq=vb...q_tmorulestext - Foul language. Note the part about changing spelling and/or language to avoid the filter.

While we are on the subject of what would be nice - a "no thanks" as well as a "thanks" would be cool. That would save all the hassle of negative tagging - people could just select "no thanks" to show their negativity towards the post. The ability to tag could be redefined as being those who have received a certain number of "thanks", say one point per "thank", to a score of 100, and every "no thanks" would diminish their total by two points for every "no thanks". Ideally, we could vote on the tags as well - and every tagging that gets a thumbs-up scores a point, with every tagging that gets a thumbs-down scores minus-five points. I am sure that would be a pretty simple matter to implement for all the programmers here.

geneven 2011-04-03 09:26

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980746)
I think as YOU are one of the bullies on this forum who CONSTANTLY tagg threads should now realise that this IS AN ISSUE,

I don't think it's much of an issue and I've never tagged anything on this site.

Kangal 2011-04-03 09:31

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980811)
@Kangal:
Why do you want to make trouble? why dont you make comments that are not derogatory, do you think you are being clever ?.

Ohhkay?
There's a miss-understanding. I was laughing at the comment you posted before, admit it, its funny.
But the person I was calling a troll was tzsm98 since his avatar is of those baby-troll-pen holder I used to own as a kid. It seemed like I was calling you a troll because the text mucked up the "quote and reply" marks and displaced his name with yours >> now fixed!

I wasn't "being clever", it was only a sudden rush of nostalgia.

Besides, can I ask you which comments of mine are derogatory?

abill_uk 2011-04-03 09:40

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 980835)
Ohhkay?
There's a miss-understanding. I was laughing at the comment you posted before, admit it, its funny.
But the person I was calling a troll was tzsm98 since his avatar is of those baby-troll-pen holder I used to own as a kid. It seemed like I was calling you a troll because the text mucked up the "quote and reply" marks and displaced his name with yours >> now fixed!

I wasn't "being clever", it was only a sudden rush of nostalgia.

Besides, can I ask you which comments of mine are derogatory?

Sorry mis-understanding there on my behalf, is sooo easy done on here and you know if only everyone could just get along with everyone and not make trouble, this forum would be like it should be... a family get together of like minded people who care about the N900.

tswindell 2011-04-03 09:45

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980746)
I think as YOU are one of the bullies on this forum who CONSTANTLY tagg threads should now realise that this IS AN ISSUE,

Do you know for a fact he's done any tagging? Making accusations and bad mouthing others' with no proof is a serious bum move and wont gain you any friends abill_uk.

tswindell 2011-04-03 09:57

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980838)
Sorry mis-understanding there on my behalf, is sooo easy done on here and you know if only everyone could just get along with everyone and not make trouble, this forum would be like it should be... a family get together of like minded people who care about the N900.

To be honest, you're more of a problem than bogus tags. If you don't like what the tags say don't read them. Just like if you don't like what someone says either ignore it or don't. I think you're all making a serious issue out of nothing. Tags in forums are useless unless there is a strict scheme on using them, which is why they should be ignored.

Anyone with half a brain understood what Kangal was saying, except you. And you jumped on him straight away like an angry dwarf. You're at least 25.2% more offensive than anyone else on the forum and you never say anything interesting. You just argue with people. Get a grip!

juise- 2011-04-03 10:01

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Everyone being able to tag (i.e. over 300 posts) should be banned. No one who is posting that much can possibly keep up good quality in his posts, and thus is not contributing to the true purpose of the forum.

300 posts should be enough for everyone. </troll>

abill_uk 2011-04-03 10:04

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 980847)
To be honest, you're more of a problem than bogus tags. If you don't like what the tags say don't read them. Just like if you don't like what someone says either ignore it or don't. I think you're all making a serious issue out of nothing. Tags in forums are useless unless there is a strict scheme on using them, which is why they should be ignored.

Anyone with half a brain understood what Kangal was saying, except you. And you jumped on him straight away like an angry dwarf. You're at least 25.2% more offensive than anyone else on the forum and you never say anything interesting. You just argue with people. Get a grip!

YOU are one of the worst offenders on this forum so i strongly suggest you button it go away and present yourself on another thread.
I have no time for you in any way or form because of your past history as i have learned to despise you !.

For the record i APOLOGISED to Kangal but YOU would make an issue of anything and everything as you normally do !.

tswindell 2011-04-03 10:18

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980852)
YOU are one of the worst offenders on this forum so i strongly suggest you button it go away and present yourself on another thread.
I have no time for you in any way or form because of your past history as i have learned to despise you !.

For the record i APOLOGISED to Kangal but YOU would make an issue of anything and everything as you normally do !.

That's because you mostly act like a imature child. You should seriously try and relax a bit more. Most of my posts towards you have been more about giving you advise on how to act to be more acceptable by those on this forum. But you see it as some huge conspiracy against you, and you blame me and others' for targetting you and, it would appear, "tag trolling". For the record, I've never tagged a thread, like I mentioned previously the tagging feature in this forum is pointless anyway and should just be ignored.

abill_uk 2011-04-03 10:26

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 980858)
That's because you mostly act like a imature child. You should seriously try and relax a bit more. Most of my posts towards you have been more about giving you advise on how to act to be more acceptable by those on this forum. But you see it as some huge conspiracy against you, and you blame me and others' for targetting you and, it would appear, "tag trolling". For the record, I've never tagged a thread, like I mentioned previously the tagging feature in this forum is pointless anyway and should just be ignored.

I believe it is never too late so may i make a suggestion and cool your attitude with me because i really do have a lot to contribute as a hardware engineer and you know something? it was thanks to you and the likes of ysss that i have never made any further contributions from my expertise since the usb port problem i half addressed.

People are leaving this forum because of the constant bullying they are getting and i fully understand why.

I fully agree with this thread 110% because if it is taken notice of then this forum will turn out to be what it should be, a proper family get together for like minded people.

before people like you start on me they need to go RIGHT BACK in my history to find out just why i have become somewhat obnoxious and angry of some members.

I of all have had my fair share of ABUSE thrown at me that quite frankly would be something taken to court if it were life on the street.

This community has rules and you need to ask yourself this.... WHO takes notice of them?.

geneven 2011-04-03 10:42

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980861)

People are leaving this forum because of the constant bullying they are getting and i fully understand why.

I fully agree with this thread 110% because if it is taken notice of then this forum will turn out to be what it should be, a proper family get together for like minded people.

before people like you start on me they need to go RIGHT BACK in my history to find out just why i have become somewhat obnoxious and angry of some members.

Personally, I thought you were pushy and boastful since the first day you appeared here. And I think it's funny that you complain about bullies since you are quite a bully when you take on your dark persona.

If people are leaving this forum, I think it's most likely that they have moved on to other devices. I think that this site is much better behaved than it once was.

abill_uk 2011-04-03 10:52

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 980867)
Personally, I thought you were pushy and boastful since the first day you appeared here. And I think it's funny that you complain about bullies since you are quite a bully when you take on your dark persona.

If people are leaving this forum, I think it's most likely that they have moved on to other devices. I think that this site is much better behaved than it once was.

Wishful thinking Geneven but i have to disagree with you because now i know of 3 would be programmers that have left because of bully tactics and it comes from within the long standing members like yourself !.

You only need to look at the thanks to see who they all are and it becomes painfully obvious, look at tswindell's post and you will see for yourself..

I for one have thought this more than a few times, to hack this forum to find out just who does what around here because lets face it unless the truth becomes apparent they will carry on.

I give as much as i get and sometimes like on here i just sit and wait making it obvious i am going to reply.

What i often see on this forum is the bullies wait for the victim to get off the thread before leaving nasty comments.

Bullying is nasty no matter how you look at it and when rules fail it is maybe time for a new team of moderators to take over with bullying in mind and i personally think this is the case right now on this forum !.

Nothing like enough is being done to cambat bully tactics and as the suggestion was made to have a moderator purely for tags, i go along with that if it stops the abuse.

Dave999 2011-04-03 10:58

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Now, Both my comment and my tag is removed from this thread. That is some serious moderation. Great work!

Or do we have several troll tag threads?

EDIT: Yes we do, post and tag was not removed, it was a simular thread :)

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...600#post980600

Merge?

geneven 2011-04-03 10:59

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
I guess it would be possible to prevent tags in any thread by automatically adding the max number of blank or meaningless tags...

dumpystig 2011-04-03 11:03

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
I've not been here long. I'm enjoying 'playing around' with my new kit, seeing what it/I can do. It's great fun being able to explore and personalise both of my 900's, and learning from the vast knowledge that is contained within this forum. But it's less fun coming here and seeing all this crappy sniping and *****ing.
I prefer to trawl than troll...

Dave999 2011-04-03 11:05

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Tags are useful if you use them this way:

useful thread = few or no tags
Useless thread = lots of tags

JamesBond@ge 2011-04-03 11:12

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 980847)
To be honest, you're more of a problem than bogus tags. If you don't like what the tags say don't read them. Just like if you don't like what someone says either ignore it or don't. I think you're all making a serious issue out of nothing. Tags in forums are useless unless there is a strict scheme on using them, which is why they should be ignored.

Anyone with half a brain understood what Kangal was saying, except you. And you jumped on him straight away like an angry dwarf. You're at least 25.2% more offensive than anyone else on the forum and you never say anything interesting. You just argue with people. Get a grip!

Agreed. And I reckon that there are many dozens of people here that would agree.

geneven 2011-04-03 11:13

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980871)
I for one have thought this more than a few times, to hack this forum to find out just who does what around here because lets face it unless the truth becomes apparent they will carry on.

You draw lots of hostile tags because of your behavior, so you probably have an exaggerated idea of how important they are. I don't recall ever having drawn a negative tag, though I'm quite sure I have deserved them.

abill_uk 2011-04-03 11:27

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 980885)
You draw lots of hostile tags because of your behavior, so you probably have an exaggerated idea of how important they are. I don't recall ever having drawn a negative tag, though I'm quite sure I have deserved them.

Whilst you will not leave it be i will tell you now IF i am or have been hostile it is to people who just want to argue and make bad comments and there is people who just look for brownie points like the post before yours for example who have not got a clue about technical issues whatsoever !.

WHilst i am not a Linux programmer i do have history of hacking as well as design engineering so i would have thought to pick on someone who has the technical ability behind them is a foolish thing to do as they just back off like i have done and give nothing.

Negativeity of any substance brings on bad behaviour and when you have got negativity on tags it gains ground on negativity within the posts left on that thread, whilst on the other hand if you have got perfect behaviour on a thread and someone comes in with a bullying comment, it draws the bullies to that thread and off they jolly well go joining in with sacastic nasty remarks no matter how small they may be.

Bullying is something that is easy to eradicate IF it is dealt with in the right way, this forum on the other hand fails to do this as the moderators themselves join in with negativity which in turn brings negativity.

Take me for example by all means! if someone gives me a hard time i will give it back simple as that.

2 wrongs do not make a right so i in turn am as bad as the bullies by retaliating.

All in all this thread is not my thread but i agree with its presence very much.

ysss 2011-04-03 11:28

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 980746)
I think as YOU are one of the bullies on this forum who CONSTANTLY tagg threads should now realise that this IS AN ISSUE,

You're wrong.

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/8914/ducktags.jpg

I didn't participate in tagging this thread and I almost never bother to tag threads anyway. I think it's a cowardly move to call people names through thread tags.

Btw, I also still think you guys are blowing things WAY out of proportions.

Trolls should just be ignored.

abill_uk 2011-04-03 11:28

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
There you go it had to happen !!!! now look at the tags and you will see the perfect example.

Char 2011-04-03 11:31

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
the sad part is i wasn't even aware that there was a feature like tags till now :/

JamesBond@ge 2011-04-03 11:32

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
What does the A stand for in your username Abill_uk?

ejasmudar 2011-04-03 11:44

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
I agree with ysss that the issue is being blown out of proportion. But on the other hand, it really isnt fair to members to be personally ridiculed/bullied anonymously via tags. Its a useless feature and should simply be removed.

Any reason to still keep it?

geneven 2011-04-03 12:03

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ejasmudar (Post 980916)
I agree with ysss that the issue is being blown out of proportion. But on the other hand, it really isnt fair to members to be personally ridiculed/bullied anonymously via tags. Its a useless feature and should simply be removed.

Any reason to still keep it?

If you've been to Ancient Greece lately, you will recall that their dramas had a chorus that was basically anonymous and played a certain role in communicating public opinion. So that's a reason for allowing something similar, but I don't care much. Also, some people actually use them as tags, I imagine. In other words, there ARE reasons to have them.

govprog 2011-04-03 12:03

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
Obviously the readers with high level of acumen should themselves avoid the trolls. Or have the calmness not to get furious after reading them.

tswindell 2011-04-03 12:12

Re: The Tag Trolling issue
 
@abill_uk, how can you justify yourself and make yourself sound like a victim when you come out with statements like "I've thought about hacking this site to find out who's been tagging on threads." every post you say makes me think: "Oh god, how can he seriously say anything more stupid" .... Then you post something else and I actually start to feel slightly depressed. Your name seems to indicate you're from the UK, as am I, but you really are letting the side down with your seriously poor command of our beloved language. I think you need to think a lot more about what you say, and probably spend more time listening to what others' are saying, rather than posting your normally quite pointless statements.

tswindell 2011-04-03 12:15

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 980930)
If you've been to Ancient Greece lately, you will recall that their dramas had a chorus that was basically anonymous and played a certain role in communicating public opinion. So that's a reason for allowing something similar, but I don't care much. Also, some people actually use them as tags, I imagine. In other words, there ARE reasons to have them.

It seems useful threads have useful tags :)


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