Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

Any idea which direction it was running in?

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

Last seen with a bazooka running towards M$ HQ.

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That would be great strategy for meego:D

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There is something i want to know:
Will meego be released for normail users for the n900?
i think it would be unfair to release meego only for developers.


also the fact that nokia didnt support maemo that much.
all the support comes from the community, not from nokia.
great job maemo community!!l
at least they can release meego for all n900 users
so they have an os on their device that will be supported in the future.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

MeeGo DE will be available as a download for any N900 owner who wants to try it. Some people will find it to their liking. Some won't.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

happy for them to delay a month if it results in a better MeeGo.

quick question:

is it v1.2 that will form the basis of Nokia's MeeGo device which they claim will launch this year?

if so, any speculation on how long nokia will need to customise a bare 1.2 OS release before it can be shipped as a product?

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i hope the meego for the n900 will have flash player in the future.
also that there may be a way to run maemo apps on meego somehow.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

Qt apps will work

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I really hope they fire that from a distance. Don't want your rocket blowing up inches from your face.

(Brings memories of noobie Doom rocket fights)

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

'Meet the new boss,
Same as the old boss...

I'll get on my knees and prey,
We don't get fooled again.'

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

It's good when they delay something to make sure it works as advertised. Last thing we want is some rushed version of MeeGo that is unusable. They met all their other milestones, I think, like Stskeeps said, they had a good project plan, it just slipped a bit recently thanks to the change in management and direction. Unexpected bugs do show up pretty late sometimes, the more of them they find and fix now the better. This way they're not wasting our time getting us to install something that isn't ready. At least on a phone, unless you have a spare, this would be a problem.

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well my post was not only meant for you, even if I agree i did click on your quote.

But there is zillionhs post here by several people that complains and havent a clue how thinks works.

And yes DE is Nokia but still it is up too the community too improve it. There is no chance Nokia invests that much manpower to get n900 version working! Still up too the community too decide if we want Meego on n900. Simple is that.

Right now it seems everyone is just sit and wait and hopes someone else (or Nokia) will do it. Bt that aint gonna happen.

Same goes for cssu and the rest of the Linux/Open Sourve world.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

Timed for MeeGo Conference it seems. Last day in fact. Hmmm....

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We such bad people...

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but according to www.youmobile.org , meego is coming on 28th april for n900 :O

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

It was until it got delayed until May 25th.

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Ever tried reading the current thread before commenting about a report over a month old?

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never loose hope :P

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seems an odd choice given that developers who are notionally working on meego will presumably also be attending the conference?

is 1.2 the version that will be used for Nokia's 2011 meego product?

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

I herred it directly from the chief platform arsonist that they needed the extra time to move it under a new license and converted it to a proprietary shared-source model as opposed to an open source project. Or do an April 5th, as he called it. Then he laughed and told a story about how Macromedia used to be an innovative company.

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That seems odd as I thought it was timed for the start not the end of the Conference. Perphaps like Jobs/Apple they are going to make a grand announcement on the last day of the Conference that Meego 1.2 is now ready for download then again.........

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Or maybe announce that it isn't quite ready yet ...

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Here we go yet again only this time it is MeeGo and not Maemo and same old story for the N900, dont build up your hopes folks not this time !..... remember once bitten twice shy n all that.

Personally i think it will be no better than the nitdroid that has many holes.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

I'd like to think that everyone is thinking this exact thing when reading your post:

"Oh, just shut the **** up"

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that's worth a lol, for i hope it isn't true! :D

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Prove me wrong... i really really really want to be wrong in what i am thinking but when you look at the sequence of events leading up to the MeeGo release date as promised, it got delayed, now do you not see the similarities from Maemo and all the promised Qguill made to everyone for it to fall flat on it's face?.

I, like just about everyone reading about MeeGo want this to be soooo right, good and proper but let's face it if track records are anything to go by and your getting soooo angry in your replies, makes everyone wonder dont you think????.

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I can't take you seriously until you (at least) learn to spell a simple username right.

However, as I've said before, anyone who has been following the events on mailing list could have seen the delay coming and in addition to that, the fact we got severely delayed due to Feb11 and the fallout from that on the MeeGo project. Priorities changed and changing things around took time.

MeeGo is a public and transparent project and all the code and everything is out there and any sane product manager would decide based on that public information that delaying is a good idea to stabilize one of the new focus'es, the tablet UX.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

maybe meego will be better than android

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If his aggression is coming across then its only because he must be channeling the feeling of the greater majority of this community. Since day one on this forum you have done nothing but whine, moan, ***** and generally act like a spoilt child and I think people are just about reaching their limit for how much longer they are going to remain polite to you. I know I have.

Stskeeps has already explained what caused the delay. The code is there if you want to verify it. Nokia != Meego. We already have a version of Meego which people have stated runs well (with some glitches) on the N900, including calls etc but doing a little research would have taken time away from your *****ing so I can hardly expect you to have noticed that thread.

Finally if there is NEVER a release of Meego for the N900. What has been lost? We were never promised one when we bought the phone. In fact up until a shorty while ago we were actively being told there wouldn't be one.

On a final note. When I was living in the UK whiny buggers like yourself were generally looked down upon or given a solid slap round the ear. Whats happened there?

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What the hell are you talking about?

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...&project=Trunk <- MeeGo N900 kernel

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...&project=Trunk <- MeeGo N900 camera firmware

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...&project=Trunk <- Configuration files

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...&project=Trunk <- Rescue ram disk

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...&project=Trunk <- Policy/behaviour settings for N900

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...&project=Trunk <- PulseAudio modules for telephony for N900

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...&project=Trunk <- PulseAudio settings for N900

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...runk%3Anon-oss <- Redistributable bluetooth firmware for N900

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...runk%3Anon-oss <- Redistributable battery daemon

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...runk%3Anon-oss <- Redistributable backend for battery info

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...runk%3Anon-oss <- Redistributable library to access CAL area

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...runk%3Anon-oss <- Redistributable algorithms for Nokia quality call audio

http://build.meego.com/package/show?...runk%3Anon-oss <- Redistributable SGX/3d graphics drivers

Including full kickstart to rebuild a N900 image from scratch for anyone to use and redistribute: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1....20110405.3.ks

And so on. How can you say the N900 hardware code is not out there? Are you daft?

No, you're just off your medication. There's a difference.

Can someone please start a petition to get abill_uk ousted from this place? He's the source of several good people leaving because of his ******** and I think I might be next.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

Please read this.

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... and that reason is?

So you're saying that any incomplete product is a flop? Are you saying products should not be released unless there's nothing left to do in them? Are you serious?

I'm sorry I don't understand what you're trying to prove here.

I've so far shut up because I just don't have the patience to respond to your clearly trollish or ignorant posts. I'm sure Stskeeps has spoken out only because you've managed to hit a pain point too many times.
After reading all your incoherent ramblings of doom and gloom, I've come to be prejudiced against any of your opinions.

The Meego project's primary aim was not to make sure that the n900 was made fully open. If you know it was, then "citation please".

When (not if) the Meego DE project works on the n900, will you eat your words? Let me go further: Will you learn to tone down your rhetoric when much of what you've said starts being proven wrong? Will you suffer the same embarrassment you claim others faced and silence yourself?
Let me be a little speculative and say that you probably will never shut up and we'll not hear anything good from you.

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Stick around stskeeps, for every abill_uk, there are at least 10 others who aren't abill_uk.
Just because I don't speak out often enough against trolls doesn't mean I don't care.
I prefer to ignore them or rationally take down their talking point like you did with your links. Eventually they're left blubbering plain rubbish and making fools of themselves.
I enjoy that, you should too.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 

That's odd. Whining is the national pastime. Hence the Australian insult "Whinging Pom", and the more subtle Kiwi response "Spoken like a true Pom". My memories of the UK were people whining about just about everything (including the weather), but doing nothing about it (in the case of the weather, not much you can do about that - except get used to fact that in the UK it is crap and it changes).

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I apologise for my negative comments. I do get a bit frustrated when hopes are raised, then squashed, if I express disbelief and get told I am ignorant and this will happen on such-and-such-a-date, and it doesn't. I am a skeptic, but would love to be proven wrong. Also, some of my comments are intended to be humerous, but I think sometimes they read as if they are serious. I do hope the MeeGo/Nokia folks do manage to get this together, and that we get the opportunity of using it on the n900. That would be quite exciting. But, until I see it for myself, I remain skeptical. Sorry.

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Seems like Elop or abill_uk should work together too ruin Meego/Symbian. They both seems to like trolling...

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To be perfectly clear so I'm sure you and me are on same page:
* Defining platform: Something others can use to build a product using. It is not a end-user product.

* Defining MeeGo.com: A open project that has several members including Nokia, Intel, LG, ZTE, etc. They work together in the open to deliver a proper platform for them to base products off.

* The release schedules on wiki.meego.com relate to MeeGo the platform, so what is delayed is the platform. This was done as there had to be a significant change in plans after Feb11 and architectual changes due to changed requirements. As well as, well, that the project went sort of stagnant during the shock after Feb11

* MeeGo.com has next to nothing to do with the Harmattan OS, which is more like a Maemo6

* Nokia's next device will be Harmattan as stated several times.

* We have an effort ongoing that uses the Nokia N900 as a testing device for all MeeGo.com ARM activities. Since we have to test all sorts of middleware, our hardware adaptation is quite good and includes power management, camera support and many other good things. This is the 'hardware adaptation' team. This team rarely touches the UI

* We have an effort ongoing, the Developer Edition work (a open project and open source), which takes the work from MeeGo.com platform, puts it together with the Nokia N900 work and tries to bring it to a level where this condition is met: "Target is to make a Developer Edition of MeeGo for the Nokia N900 device. Flashed with this edition N900 will be usable as a primary phone device for a developer/hacker person. This is not for regular Maemo 5 end users.".

What you can do with this DE stuff is very powerful, but you need to do a lot of things yourself, contribute, help build the system, but because of the N900 hardware adaptation and platform work done, a lot of the -very difficult- parts that would normally make a community stumble are already solved.

My hope is that by summer, we have a OS that you can customize and hack to your hearts extent - this is of course not a end-user product. And even keep it in your pocket without the risk of not having children (we have power management!)

* This work has nothing to do with any Harmattan backport to N900 and I believe that particular backport project is dead as a stone as no SDK's or code has been published. Won't be coming, probably.

Hope that helps clear things up on what's going on. All this is happening in the open and you can follow it on meego.com wiki and IRC channels/mailing lists and you can even download development snapshots.

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Let me check I have this right. The MeeGo for the n900 that is suitable for end-users is not going exist. The n900 is a stepping-stone for developers to work towards a device that will have MeeGo installed. Harmattan is dead. Maemo 5 is as far as things go for the n900 where end-users are concerned. There is no point taking an interest in MeeGo releases for the n900, as they are only relevant for development, and of no relevance to end-users of the n900. The release dates are not important, because they have no implications for n900 users - only developers and future devices. Thanks. What I don't get is that when I or other people say things like this, people get narky. We all know that MeeGo, Harmatton, etc. isn't going to happen for the n900, but we aren't allowed to say that. Let's just be open and honest about this. The Maemo 5 CSSU is the only development on the n900 that has any relevance for end-users.

Why is this thread still here? It should be under 'alternatives' - 'MeeGo', and a redirection to MeeGo.com. The Harmattan threads should be in their own section 'Maemo 6/Harmattan' - and if it is dead, placed under 'old'. Then it would be clearer to people that there is nothing on the horizon for the n900 beyond the Maemo 5 CSSU. That would probably help prevent some of the misunderstandings that arise around this topic.

Thanks.

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Except for the fact that Harmattan isn't dead (sadly?) and never would come for N900 anyway officially - was announced long ago. Would be a hacker edition and even that project is not going to happen.

Well, depends on where you put the line really - I am personally getting close to a time where I might actually consider to use MeeGo on N900 as my daily phone. So it depends on how hackerish you are. If you are OK with dual-booting into Android at times and perhaps want something more you can hack to your heart's extent, that is DE. DE should be an interesting experience for those inclined towards that.

Probably because all the information is already out there and it's the same misunderstandings over and over again, repeated by stupid news sites/misinformation sites that repeat the same ******** that isn't true :)

A typical end-user would not do anything beyond the preinstalled system and updates. CSSU is even a stretch beyond the typical end-user. And MeeGo on N900 is a even further stretch beyond that, for the adventureous.

That's actually the point of this forum, but there was more MeeGo.com information than Harmattan to discuss.. :)

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@mishmich, he said Harmatten on N900 is a dead project, not Harmatten. I think it was stated that the rumoured N950 device will be Harmatten (not MeeGo).

Also, wrt to a MeeGo N900 release ready for end users, well that depends a lot on the end users. Some things are extremely unlikely to come (No Flash). But if that doesn't bother you, then helping to make DE the best it can be by giving your own insight and reports from your own use cases, would be very valuable. DE is a very good step toward getting a N900 MeeGo based distribution end user ready. At least almost as ready as Maemo currently is for you on the N900. I'm sure there will always be things missing, but the benifits are 10 fold.