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Help...I can't find xterm on my N800 I can't get WIFI to connect at all after the update and I tried to install osso-xterm and it told me I was missing application packages, what do I do now? Please help my N800 is dead in the water...if you can't tell I am clueless with regard to this OS system.

Thanks

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Are you able to install xterm over a Bluetooth mobile phone connection? Probably about a 3MB download.

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actually not, and I have tried to find the missing packages, libncurses5 (>=5.5-1), librtve4 (>= 1:12.2-0mh1) and ttf-bitstream-vera. I downloaded files from maemo repository but the new OS didn't recognize the ones I tried to install, it said they were corrupt. This is so hard to do if you cannot connect to the internet.

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You should try some other wlan access point if you cant use internet from your own.

Then go to http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm and follow instructions.

Install file http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install

There is also instructions for no network install.

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Do you have a local Starbucks? :( Or any neighbours with "open" networks?

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I actually tried that and the no network install links don't work.

no network install
If you don't have available network for your 770, do the following: Get http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/ma..._5.5-1_all.deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/ma....5-1_armel.deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/ma...1-1mh9_all.deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/ma...1mh9_armel.deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/ma...0-4mh1_all.deb and http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/ma...mh13_armel.deb and place them onto mmc card.

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Are you able to install this

http://maemo.org/downloads/product/load-applet-runn

DON'T try to install with the one-click-install file, instead install direct from the OS 2006 deb file available on the homepage (direct link).

Once installed, activate the status bar icon in Control Panel -> Navigation -> Status bar. Then paste the full gconftool-2 command into the Run... dialog. The command will be executed as soon as you save the dialog. Once you have got a working network, install xterm and if you wish uninstall the load applet.

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I was able to install the program however the only place it shows up is in the application manager and the only option I am given is to delete it, I can't run it from there?? Am I just totally lost? Sorry that I am such a nubie at this.

I really appreciate the help!

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As a last resort, can I install the prior fimrware over this version just until I can get it figured out...or Nokia fixes the fimrware so that the browser doesn't timeout, or will that give me even more problems? Maybe I should just re-install the new firmware and see if it was just a glich.

Thanks in advance.

BTW I am going to hit some free WIFI hot spots just to see if I can connect.

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I haven't used load-applet-run myself, but as it's an applet you'll probably be able to find it in 'select applets' in the menu on the home screen (upper left corner of display). Maybe you'll have to temporarily get rid of some other applets if you're home screen is crowded.

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That is the first place I looked and it isn't there, isn't that odd???:confused:

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I installed it. It's in the status bar, here's how: Go to the control panel, select Navigation, then status bar. Tick Load. It'll show up there along with the battery etc. Select it, a menu (with 'Run') pops up.

Edit: Heck, this one is nice.. I think I'll keep it. I like it much better than the previous statusbar/load applet I tried. Screenshots, delayed screenshots.. good stuff.

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GOT it THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

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It should be listed in the Navigation -> Status bar applet in Control Panel - you have to add it to the status bar first, then click on it in the status bar to access the Run... menu option.

EDIT: Thanks TA-t3 for sorting it out... ebunny I explained all this in my original post! ;)

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So did it work - were you able to enter the gconftool2 command and fix your WiFi?

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I when clicked onto the applet and pasted gconftool-2 --set --type int '/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/wlan_sleep_timeout' from my notpad and clicked ok I am assumming it saved it. I am presently at work and not within reach of a WIFI hot spot so I cant test it so I hope it works. I will be sure to check when I am in range.

I don't suppose I had to put in a specific number at the end did I?

Once again thanks!!!!

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You have to paste it as specified numerous times on this forum - it ends with a number in single quotes, eg. '1000' which represents the timeout in miliseconds. The current default value with the new firmware is quite low, you need to determine a new higher value that works for you but keep it as low as possible since a lower value improves battery lifetime. The old 3.2007 firmware default was '1000' (1000 miliseconds or 1 second).

When you paste the command into the Run... text bot it will be executed immediately when you click OK - don't bother enabling the "Save" checbox, and enter any old rubbish for the Save Name (or possibly leave it blank).

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Got it, thanks!! I am starting at your previously mentioned '200' and will go from there.

I sure hope one of these days I will catch on to this new to me OS system. Sounds like it can be very user friendly once one gets the hang of it.

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Regarding the applet -
When I follow the link provided by Milhouse it says the applet is for OS2006. Will that work on the N800, or is there a OS2007 version that I missed? I have passed on a bunch of extras because they said they were for OS2006. I just thought I couldn't use them on the N800.
After 3 months with this, I'm still such a noob!:D

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It works fine on the N800, latest firmware. Most OS2006 apps will work on the N800, with a few exceptions. At least the simple applications should be mostly safe to install (as the one mentioned), there are some others though that'll drag in tons of dependencies and that can mess things up a bit, there could be some conflicts there if there are multiple (OS2006/OS2007) versions. Before you install a 2006 app, tap on the 'Installation' field in application details in the application manager. There you'll see a list of additional files that will be installed alongside the application. If it's a long and scary list - skip it (if it's a 2006 app, for 2007 it shouldn't be a problem).

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Hey folks. This is my first post.

On the whole, I'm delighted with the update and have had none of the youtube/gmail issues reported here. It's great that they finally have Flash working in a very passable way.

I have a different problem, though. A banking site I use employs java and JS to execute complex security routines. Thesite worked perfectly under the old OS, but now refuses to load, even with the fix posted here. However, it loads fine with Minimo.

I had issues logging into Basecamp, but was able to trick the site into letting me in by temporarily turning of JavaScript in the browser settings and having the site remember me.

Obviously, the Opera browser JS and AJAX issues are as frustrating as they are well-known (frankly, I find it ridiculous that I have to use a hack-port browser to supplement an "internet tablet's" on-board browser - C'MON NOKIA!!! Fix it already - these sites work on the Opera browser on my kid's Wii, FCS!).

But, is anyone else experiencing issues with JS-intensive sites that stopped functioning post-update? If so, can you suggest a fix?

Many thanks,

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Opera is not a Nokia product, so they probably have little influence on its development.

There are 2 issues with Opera:

1. Opera wants more correctly coded web pages. While Firefox and IE are more tolerant to bad website design. Actually this is a good thing, as many websites are designed so badly because they still render under IE or Firefox.

2. Opera's javascript implementation needs to be improved, this is the main issue with opera.

Opera has been chosen as it is very flexible for small screens and it renders most sites better than minimo/firefox. There is always a compromise being made, and Safari is not on sale up to now ;-)

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I did wonder why one would choose opera over a market leader for an "internet tablet", thanks. :)

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i upgraded my n800. Results are mixed.

when trying to get to some websites with HTTPS like Garage.Maemo.com or trying to log into my Yahoo email address, I get an "invalid certificate" from server message. after prolonged use, occasionally I can't load a new web page, it just says web page loading but Opera never loads.

I switch off the device and restart it and everything works fine afterwards.

a little annoying because with the previous firmware, i thought the browsing was rock solid.

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I absolutely agree that stricter standards enforcement is a good thing. But with prevailing assertions that the web is the next OS, and browsers being the window to the world of AJAX & XHTML, having a browser that falls so pathetically short of those standards shows lack of foresight. Especially since the N800 is not yet ready for general consumers; it's more for gearheads and powerusers like us who are willing and able to overcome/overlook a lot of technical obstacles for the promise of true, in-your-palm internet capability.

Don't get me wrong; I absolutely love my n800. It's just so tantalisingly close to being perfect. Perhaps now that Flash is finally top notch, Opera's Javascript deficiencies are next in line!

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n800

n= not finished yet

800 = 800 days until finished product

IT = Internet Tickoff

Browsing experience on new firmware is disastrous

not much of an internet tablet anymore, more like strange technical device that is more fun to try and make it work than to actually use

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Probably not the best post to your question, but very happy with the update. Of course, i didn't do any restores, rather re-installs.

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Dunno about yours, but mine works fine. And i'm DEFINITELY NOT Linux savvy. :o

Ton.

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Thanks Milhouse for this tip.

Just to note, for me to make it work I had to go first in offline mode.
In all other cases it was simply not applying/keeping the change.

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Please don't forget to update the bug... the gconf2tool hack should just be a temporary solution, but without any further comments against the bug you could all be stuck having to apply this hack in all future firmware releases.

Those affected by this problem need to vote and add comments (detailing router make/model/firmware) to the bug - it's for your own benefit.

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Yesterday I was in the garden with my N800 far away from my router and had quite bad connectivity (just one bar). I noticed that browsing was not very pleasant. Then I started to play with the "sleep timeout" value and could improve the whole situation when I set it to 1000.

But then I noticed my wlan power on the N800 was just 10mW. I set it to 100mW and removed the sleep-timeout back to the default and everything worked fine again despite the rather weak wifi signal.

Result: The sleep timeout may help in certain situations, but first make sure that your wifi power is 100mW.

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There is a comment in bugzilla which provides some background to the transmit power setting and suggests 100mW should be the default unless legislation in your country prohibits it. The higher transmission power setting apparently has negligible effect on battery lifetime, which is good. :)

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Well I changed my settings all the way up to 500 and still could not connect with my normal WIFI connection spots prior to the upgrade. It shows that it is 'connecting' but just looks like it is stuck in a loop even when there is even three green bars??? I am considering installing old firmware, this is very frustrating.

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ebunny - you may be suffering from a different problem detailed in bug #1653. No solution for this bug yet, other than going back to the previous 3.2007.10-7 firmware.

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could someone please help me with this. Where do I download Xterm? I am on a windows machine. Does that have anything to do with it? I have fon wireless device for my wifi. This firmware update is terrible. My device is useless. :mad:

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Open the following page _on your device_ then click the green arrow:

http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced

If xterm fails to install due to a flakey network, follow the "Status" bar app instructions from comment #47 onwards in this thread.

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Thanks Millhouse, I am going back to prievous firmware until Nokia fixes this one, I shure hope they fix it soon...

I wonder if it has anything to do with those of us in the USA? Just a thought.

Thanks for all the help.

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An update from my end. I was browsing on the FON forums and found the following comments on http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?t=3451

i installed Francofon and made my private SSID hidden. I could then go back from a timeout value of 1000 to 500 and my connection is still working fine.

Ton.

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I just had this problem with the new os2008 (official).
apt-get update was hanging all the time. I've just blew away a couple of hours trying to find a solution.

Connection -> edit -> next ... -> powersave = moderate

Hope this helps

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Well, you have to understand that the repositories are also being completely hammered.