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Kozzi 2011-06-28 06:28

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
As many said that N9 is not really Meego but Nokia's Maemo which able to run Meego applications. so can it be that there will be no "another" Meego device(s) but one(s) with Maemo 7,8 ,9 ..? I'm getting confused about harmattan and meego, please if someone can explain.


nvm found an answer to my question:
Meego and Harmattan: Clearing a path

misterc 2011-07-05 13:37

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
if they are still around, could the 5 NOKIA employees confirm they are still working on a "N10"?

thanks, but no thanks ;)

qwertqwert 2011-07-05 16:52

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Harmattan - no
MeeGo - well it's Intel there ...Maybe 2013 ...alone ...

marmistrz 2011-07-05 17:33

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
why would they invest in MeeGo developing if no Linux phone would come?

flywheel 2011-07-05 18:05

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
We will se MeeGo Handset devices in the future - from manufacturers like LG. But not from Nokia, which has been paid an extremely large sum of mony to dump everything they had.

For some bizarre they had commited themselves for release the N9 - I have no idea what the hell the N950 is good for, for Nokia.

jolo 2011-07-05 19:48

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Maybe, if Windows Phone completely fails.

misterc 2011-07-05 21:56

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jolo (Post 1045356)
Maybe, if Windows Phone completely fails.

maybe the question shouldn't be whether wp will fail, but how quickly.

the only reason why m@ke$$h!t, oups, sorry, m$, of course, is where it is now is because 30 yrs ago, there was a vacuum that the company could fill.
this is not the case (any more) in the mobile phone area, not even in the smart phone market.
thus m$ will fail, as miserably as its products are crappy.
if NOKIA's management realises this quickly enough, they may have time to (re-)commit to MeeGo.
neither iPotatos nor android needed five years to establish themselves, did they?
and even though iPotatos mostly owe their success to a phenomenal sales (Steve) Job(s), android hardly had anything but being free and backed by a "stable" company going for it.
both of which MeeGo has too by now

so long and thanks for all the fish NOKIA

Uxi 2011-07-07 04:03

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
I keep hoping Nokia will change their mind and either do at least a small volume production run of the N950 or an improved N960 or N990 or something like that. Swan-song cadillac super flagship with the N8 camera and flash in that sexay aluminum body. Bonus points if they bring back the N900 stylus, IR, notification light, and lens cover/aluminum battery cover with a BP-4L battery under it.

I can dream. :(

gerbick 2011-07-07 04:11

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jolo (Post 1045356)
Maybe, if Windows Phone completely fails.

What constitutes a failure?

misterc 2011-07-07 05:14

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
the definition of a failure obviously depends on whom you ask.

for us, here, on TMO, the simple fact NOT to let the N9 run its course and supply, even sluggishly the devices to all markets which show interest is a failure.
for the NOKIA board, it seems to be an acceptable collateral.

we will have to wait & see when the board feels that 'nough is 'nough....
further drop in share value?
accelerated drop in Symbian sales?
total Flop of the W device/s, by the end of the year, beginning of next year?

HanzBlix 2012-01-13 03:21

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
I must say my first impressions were that WP would be the main smartphone OS which is really mid range target base (you can't really say iPhone or even Android were made for power users), whereas Meego family was more of the High end power user OS of choice.
Power users will always be a minority segment unfortunately.
Does anyone remember when it was announced that N8 was to be the last N series device to run Symbian, when it was commonplace to misread and assume there would be no more Symbian devices ever?
I hope there are some parallels there, although I have no doubt's regarding Elop being a Microsoft troll.

efion 2012-01-13 03:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajack (Post 1036108)
I think Nokia will port Harmattan to the WP7, MeeGo is dead to Nokia... The N9 is just a face saving exercise and the N950 is just the older designed "original" N9 that operators rejected and that they have a ton of them in a warehouse somewhere.

"......that they have a ton of them in a warehouse somewhere."

Let's find where that is!

Kangal 2012-01-13 04:11

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[QUOTE=HanzBlix;1149834]you can't really say Android were made for power users

My NOTE wants to slap your face for blasphemy!

Quote:

Originally Posted by HanzBlix (Post 1149834)
whereas Meego family was more of the High end power user OS of choice.

Lol no. MeeGo was meant to be the iOS equivalent, except it packs the necessary features to be more "powerful" than Android. I really do mourn for MeeGo, Mer is no longer looking promising.

jalyst 2012-01-13 07:39

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Quote:

Lol no. MeeGo was meant to be the iOS equivalent, except it packs the necessary features to be more "powerful" than Android.
Agreed, kinda.

Quote:

, Mer is no longer looking promising.
Way too early to be coming to that conclusion.

jaripi 2012-01-13 08:06

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
A lot of speculations here ... I personally believe that Meego (harmattan) is still there, when Mr. Elop is already gone ... but I believe also that Windows was a right choice for Nokia just at the moment ... of course, all that is just an opionion of one single happy N9 owner, who is waiting to have PR 1.2 soon and then, PR 1.3, which proves me that Nokia is supporting and developing Meego Harmattan for the future ...

larux 2012-01-13 08:17

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaripi (Post 1149915)
A lot of speculations here ... I personally believe that Meego (harmattan) is still there, when Mr. Elop is already gone ... but I believe also that Windows was a right choice for Nokia just at the moment ... of course, all that is just an opionion of one single happy N9 owner, who is waiting to have PR 1.2 soon and then, PR 1.3, which proves me that Nokia is supporting and developing Meego Harmattan for the future ...

Of course they are supporting and developing. However, we won't see geeky devices with terminal anymore. Instead we will see topnotch user experience and devkit based on Qt. What's inside the box (OS) will be hidden and not available for customers anymore.

Personally I will happily switch into "dumb phones" if such phones include Qt and swipeUI with some cloud integration. I can do more advanced things with other gadgets.

misterc 2012-01-13 12:25

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HanzBlix (Post 1149834)
I must say my first impressions were that WP would be the main smartphone OS which is really mid range target base (you can't really say iPhone or even Android were made for power users), whereas Meego family was more of the High end power user OS of choice.
Power users will always be a minority segment unfortunately.

Power users <=> minority
let's see... Audi S8, BMW 760, Mercedes S600...
these are cars full of (not too bleeding-edge) technology, all aimed at top management & the like...
NOKIA communicator? it was THE top manager mobile phone; the last evolution of the communicator series (E7) has a hw kbd too, runs belle...

so why don't we see more S8s, 760s & S600s or communicators?
well, even top managers are customers and if Apple or Lexus come along with a GOOD LOOKING (even though technologically inferior) product and SELL IT WELL, ppl go for it, top management included.

WP <=> main smart-phone OS?
not sure on which planet you have been living (on vacation?) in the past year, but obviously ppl are tired of m@ke$$h!t's crap...
they are simply not buying in it anymore, certainly not if they have the choice... think of it as the US car makers; they sat on their a@@es for too long (even though LostDOS imMobilized was one of the 1st OS to try & compete w/ GEOS / Symbian v6...) and now are playing catch up, even though the comparison is limited in that mobile phone OSes are a different ball game then PC OSes...
well, in a way it isn't... big cars are out, small cars reign and... US car makers have no f###ing clue how to make those :confused: :eek:

Quote:

Does anyone remember when it was announced that N8 was to be the last N series device to run Symbian, when it was commonplace to misread and assume there would be no more Symbian devices ever?
I hope there are some parallels there, although I have no doubt's regarding Elop being a Microsoft troll.
got your drift... you hope the N9 will get an upgrade path to Maemo 2012 :D :cool:

captainofiron 2012-01-13 13:46

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
I hope there will be, but I dont think anything else will come out.

If anything Nokia N10 just sounds bad. "En Ten" Doesnt sound like a sleek market-able name.

But then again why did it go N95->N96->N97->N8??->N9

I guess they figured N98 and N99 sounded odd... wow I really got off on a tangent

patlak 2012-01-13 14:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaripi (Post 1149915)
A lot of speculations here ... I personally believe that Meego (harmattan) is still there, when Mr. Elop is already gone ... but I believe also that Windows was a right choice for Nokia just at the moment ... of course, all that is just an opionion of one single happy N9 owner, who is waiting to have PR 1.2 soon and then, PR 1.3, which proves me that Nokia is supporting and developing Meego Harmattan for the future ...

How was WP a right choice? Nokia had 2 ready devices, N9 and N950. They could have been releasing a 4th MeeGo device now. This changed their whole 99% ready ecosystem, MeeGo + Symbian + S40 + Qt + Ovi services. It would have been a perfectly unified, yet diverse ecosystem. WP is fragmenting Nokia's offering and lacks the basic 10 year old features, such as Mass Storage mode and lack of a PC client (Zune, iTunes).

All this was proprietary. Please do tell me, how WP was a good plan, even for a "moment." Also, if Nokia was smart, they could have just slapped Maemo 5 on a 10 inch tablet and be done with the tablet war (Honeycomb is a M5 wannabe).

patlak 2012-01-13 14:16

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
There won't ever be another MeeGo device from Nokia, that's for sure. However, there might be a chance for Maemo since there was NO mention of its death.

quipper8 2012-01-13 14:19

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
I think I remember a long time ago in a presentation, nokia was talking about some 'S' high end devices. The graphic was like a house or something and the 'S' device branch was the chimney. Of course, that was pre-WP days I think.

Sourav.dubey 2012-01-13 14:21

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Well as far as new meego handset is concerned from nokia
i think they will launch it as they already released an update to n9
this means nokia team is still working to develop meego

hope they will lanch it worldwide and not in limited quantity

patlak 2012-01-13 14:25

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quipper8 (Post 1150098)
I think I remember a long time ago in a presentation, nokia was talking about some 'S' high end devices. The graphic was like a house or something and the 'S' device branch was the chimney. Of course, that was pre-WP days I think.

N8 is the last N-series Symbian device according to that chart. N-series was planned to continue with Maemo, while S-series with Symbian.

rcolistete 2012-01-13 14:40

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
[QUOTE=Kangal;1149847]
Quote:

Originally Posted by HanzBlix (Post 1149834)
you can't really say Android were made for power users

My NOTE wants to slap your face for blasphemy!

Depends on each user needs.

Android < 4 does not have... screenshot ! Or you have to root and install extra software... ridiculous !

Programming directly on Android is very limited, N810, N900 and N9 is 10x better. For example, Python UI is a lot worse than Python on Maemo 4, Maemo 5 and MeeGo Harmattan.

Oh, my old Psion Siena 512KB with SIBO 16 bits was a lot better than Android 2.x/3.x and iOS 5 for many tasks...

ajalkane 2012-01-13 14:50

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No more MeeGo devices. No new maemo devices during 2012.

jaripi 2012-01-13 15:12

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1150102)
N8 is the last N-series Symbian device according to that chart. N-series was planned to continue with Maemo, while S-series with Symbian.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/11/0...nwired+View%29

Nonsense, there will be a new N8 too ... it is not a secret ...

patlak 2012-01-13 15:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaripi (Post 1150121)
http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/11/0...nwired+View%29

Nonsense, there will be a new N8 too ... it is not a secret ...

Reading comprehension FTW! Reread what I wrote, again and read it sloooooowly....

jaripi 2012-01-13 15:51

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1150124)
Reading comprehension FTW! Reread what I wrote, again and read it sloooooowly....

I reread it slowly again ... sorry (laugh)

TransTech 2012-01-13 15:54

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
I wish Nokia release N950 for the masses... :) with Nemo on it.. ;)

jalyst 2012-01-13 15:55

Re: The 'EPIC' "Will Nokia release another MeeGo device after N9?" poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1150102)
N8 is the last N-series Symbian device according to that chart. N-series was planned to continue with Maemo, while S-series with Symbian.

Yeah i remember that chart... sigh... what could've been...


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