Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

No, Nokia didn't say they are bringing phones to the next billion, they're bringing internet to the next billion. Internet capable phones.

Like Tomi quoted:
See? Next billion: Internet, Qt.

Anyway, I love Ahonens blog, but I have to agree - those aren't really contradictions. Strongest holds does not equal biggest market, transition period does not equal support period, etc. He's missing the facets of the statements.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Lowest category = S30. Those devices are also sold e.g. in Finland (older people appreciate simplicity). You can recognize S30 device by looking UI (it's overly simple) and lacking features.

Future S40 = Qt+SwipeUI+1ghz hw

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

http://blog.juuso.me/2011/06/open-le....html?spref=tw

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

microsoft won't buy nokia, I think that is just ******** from eldars side. Somehow he still seems to have sources inside nokia but his tweets essentially predict everything and nothing.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Yeah, it's impossible to know what to think of Eldar's tweets. If nothing else they are entertaining. Dsmobile, who has contacts at Nokia and hinted heavily about N9 for months, said at Mobile-Review-forum that Eldar latest tweets are not true. Of course fights inside Nokia don't escape that easily to outsiders so it's impossible to know what's happening at the moment.

Even if I can't say that I hate Elop I still wouldn't mind him leaving. WP-only future is not to my liking.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Zombies are awesome.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Some are contradictions, some are not, some are iffy.

And your broad slam on everyone using the term "elopocalypse" is just as misguided. In its simplest form, it just refers to the February announcement that stunned the Nokia developer community and sent the NOK stock off a cliff.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Found this from twitter. Why to tease if decisions are already done. Grrr.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

It's hard to justify making rational counterarguments to a bunch of raving Linux fans, I might as well be equally sensationalist. At the very least it's more fun.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Here's a thought: don't.

:)

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

So s40 is gonna be the new smartphone platform? That's interesting. One thing is for sure, there are a lot of things happening inside nokia we know nothing about.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

The title of this thread alone was enough.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

oh, my vote is definitely for doing it.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Here's what's up.
Apple is making $$$ over their massive ecosystem (music, movies, apps) and their stylish hardware appeals to most people.
Other OEMs are being competitive with comparable software, better hardware and cheaper prices.
Nokia is stagnant, still deciding on how to make their UX.
I'm rocking this baby: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1134583

Why can't Nokia make a MIUI + WebOS hybrid, make a competent underlying software (MeeGo), heavily push for QML/Qt, and market the sh it out of it? They have the hardware portion ready.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Ok then, do it

edit: better clip for, well, doin' it.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

The irony that I posted that via my HTC HD7s (a Windows Phone 7 phone) is not lost on me.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

well played sir

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

We already have Qt+SwipeUI+1ghz hw = N9 with Harmattan.

Why on earth do we need the same stuff on S40 phones. Why use a lot of manpower to do the same again for S40 when we already have Harmattan. Does not make any sense.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Because you don't have all of that at a much lower price point.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

If you have 1ghz S40 device with 512MB of ram and capasitive touch screen, what makes it cheaper than similar device with Harmattan?

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Don't you see the picture? They want to create bullet proof OS without any tweaking options. Cross-platfom Qt makes it even "easy" . Currently you cannot leverage Qt-apps within S40 ecosystem and it's BAD because symbian is being dropped => There is clear need for revamped low-mid category OS.

It's also much, much, bigger win for Qt ecosystem than Meego high-end smartphones ever..

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

I wasn't talking about Qt in S40. I was talking about S40 with highend hardware.

Qt for S40 is good thing. But S40 with high end hardware and spending resources for doing something that already exists is waste of money and resources.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

What's today highend it's tomorrow lowend. I put 1ghz as example. Sure they try to push Qt to its limits ie. to use as low end hw as possible.

Will see in future :)

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

We'll probably see in october what this is all about. The good ehing is that Qt lives on doing something useful :) (as opposed to merely being the favorite but utterly useless geek toy) *hiding and running* :)

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Nokia's pricing scheme.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

well QT lives on.

liveprofile developers tweet lp for n9? so that means they symbian/maemo version they making its compatible.

i wish whatsapp was as cool. they dont wanna move symbian version to maemo. probaly neither n9

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Could you please explain?

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

What is or what was "Ilmatar"?

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Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

I didn't really understand all of your blog post. Nokia ruled the smartphone world up until only a few months ago when Android steamed ahead of them. From 2003-2004 (and much earlier depending how you count) and until 2008-2009 Nokia was IT. Everything else was just poor quality toys. You could still argue that all Android devices are poor quality toys, but that's another matter.

Other than that I agree, S40 has great potential. But they have to hurry, Bada is steaming ahead.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

I worked there; I'm aware of the stats. ;) The point was about conversion of "dumbphone" users to smartphone users. We struggled there. And again, in some regions like the US Nokia could not sell smartphones.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Harmattan's successor.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Second question... how do you properly pronounce that?

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

With a Finnish accent.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Have to admit... this made tea shoot out of my nose. LOL

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Reminds of the Forgotten Realms (D&D, anyone?) god of suffering.

...sounds a bit ironic, I guess.

"Ilmater (pronounced ill-MAY-ter [2]), also known also as the Crying God, the Broken God, the Lord on the Rack and The One Who Endures ..."

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Ilmater

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

Someone please email this to the entire Nokia Board?

Could speed things up, someone needs a boot.


There was some ranting in there, yet..

Tomi for CEO :D

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

I don't know why some people get hung up on the 1Ghz thing. It's wrong.

Look at how big and differentiated Nokia's product line is, and how wide a product range you get when you take all the S40 and Symbian devices and put them next to each other. That's a range from really weak to really strong devices.

Then know that Symbian will be replaced. Not 1:1, the top end Symbian phones will get Windows Phone. Symbian stuff will be ported to S40, making S40 more equipped - but not necessarily heavier to run per se.

You'll then end up with a new product spread - where you have cheap donk S40's in one end, more expensive S40s near the top, and Windows Phones at the top end. In many ways, S40 is "the" Nokia OS, and they're not going to stop making cheap S40 phones. There's no 1Ghz low end, that's just dumb. Only expensive phones have 1Ghz CPUs. Only a very select handful of expensive high end first half 2011 phones have something better, like that plus multi core. S40 is a wide family, will keep being a wide family, and it's Nokias strategy to let 1 billion new people get affordable phones with internet, where they could not afford it before.

That's not 1Ghz phones.

Re: Microsoft, your platform is on fire
 

No, it's going to be the wide bulk product platform, beneath the Windows Phone high end. The term smartphone is outdated anyway, since it's just a question of definition and even Apple phones can be considered one. S40 will get features from the dying giant S^ and it will reach higher on the pyramid than today, but WP is the "smartphone" platform.

Nokia will probably not survive 2012 :-(
 

Let`s come up with some facts:

- Elop is a former Microsoft employee. It is very well known what kind of brainwashing people get at Microsoft, so it is very obvious that Elop will not change his mind about the Nokia-WP7 strategy.
- It is also a very well known fact that Microsoft really hates Linux and would take any effort to destroy any open-source movement where ever possible. Thats also why Symbian is no longer Open Source.
- MeeGo, especially if it would have been released on the Intel/Atom platform, could become a big threat to the Windows Desktop. MeeGo (wich IS in fact Linux) would have reached a wide distribution throughout all user types (not only geeks), which would have caused companies to port their commercial software to Linux, which would then also run on the Linux Desktop (if the Nokia MeeGo device was Atom as it was originally planned). This would eventually lead to gaining numbers of Linux/MeeGo desktops - directly attacking the Microsoft Windows desktop. Microsoft will not let this happen!
- Why pay the full price for a company, if you could get it for the half? Since Elop became CEO at Nokia, the Nokia shares lost more then 50% - all within a few month.
- Elop is still working against Nokia. Shares gained some value again a day after the N9 was presented to the world. Elop leaked the WP7-prototype video the other day and stated in a Finish newspaper that the N9 will definitely be the one and only MeeGo phone by Nokia, even though if it would become a success. In conclusion, Nokia shares started falling again.
- Nokia has already canceled contracts with many Linux support centers, e.g. the one in Nuernberg, Germany. This indicates that the N9 will never become available in Germany.
- Nokia has sourced out Software/Symbian developers to Accenture and sold the Qt-rights. Furthermore, the Nokia MeeGo development unit will be shut down in June 2012. It is very likely that Nokia was forced by contracts with the MeeGo alliance to produce at least a single working end user device.
Nokia has also sourced out the production of the first WP7-phones to an external company.
- Elops contract is limited until 12/2012,
- I`m not sure if that is of any importance: Jorma Ollila will leave Nokia mid 2012.

These are the facts. In my opinion, a buyin by Microsoft is therefore becoming very likely and will rather happen even this year than next year:
- Nokia already got rid of uneccessary staff such like software developers and sold the Qt-rights (which could have become subjected to an anti-trust investigation).
- the Nokia shares are on a level at which Microsoft could easily afford a buying in.
- In case of an anti-trust investigation, WP7-devices won`t be delayed since they are produced by an external company.
- Microsoft has announced tablets under their own brand. They desperately need a premium hardware producer such as Nokia to build these.
- I think it could be very well possible that Elop will seperate and outsource the S40-series to an external low-budget producer soon. In that case, Microsoft will get all they really need: a premium hardware producer, maps and communication data and loads of patents to fight Apple and the others.

Even if it was fact that Nokia launched internal investigations against Elop - that wouldn`t change anything. Balmer would rather buy Nokia today as letting them changing back to MeeGo/Linux tomorrow.
In my opinion, Elops main goal was to bring and keep the stocks down to a level where Microsoft is able to bring huge pressure
onto Nokia - and he performed very well in doing this.

These are my thoughts and I have absolutely no idea how Nokia could be saved. If the Nokia shares would suddenly gain power and start rising, Microsoft would probably buy in instantly. Nokia is at a point now where they HAVE to obey Microsoft or die.