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kanishou 2011-08-12 09:48

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oweng (Post 1067756)
It's a genuine question. I like the look of the phone, UI looks great too, but there are better built and supported Android phones either already out or on their way...

Where?

Well this was too short, so I have to add some...

Get the N9 if you like it, it's good enough that you don't need to rely on "future updates" to enjoy your purchase.

If you don't care about ergonomics and just want a software platform that can last you a decade, the N9 is not the right choice.

Everything in-between relies on your own judgment. And it's certainly never a bad idea to wait for the device to be actually out and being reviewed thoroughly. :) I'm not worried that it will disappoint, and I wouldn't encourage anybody to buy it "blindly". I would encourage to put some money aside for the occasion though.

oweng 2011-08-12 15:12

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
On an interesting note, I've just heard from a source at Virgin Mobile UK, that they will be asking for N9 demos from Nokia.

Will Nokia oblige?

Texrat 2011-08-12 15:56

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
It's just a shame they're the standard "non answers"...

jalyst 2011-08-13 08:35

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oweng (Post 1068541)
On an interesting note, I've just heard from a source at Virgin Mobile UK, that they will be asking for N9 demos from Nokia.
Will Nokia oblige?

Interesting....
So this source claims Virgin's interested in assessing it for saleability?
It's bit 'late in the game' to be asking for demos for assessment isn't it.
If they were interested, surely they would've done that long ago!?
(then again, Nokia probably made zero efforts, to approach them)

Please let us know what the outcome is...
So long as you're 100% sure it's a legit source.
Who has direct knowledge of the dialogue w/Nokia, & the exact nature of their response.
It'll be interesting to know what Nokia's response is.

ericsson 2011-08-13 08:52

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oweng (Post 1067731)
Sorry for the overlap with this and the existing thread about the N9 (not) coming to the UK, but for what it is worth I thought you should see that it is possible to get a reply from Stephen Elop (well maybe I am being naive - it could just be a PA etc)

Here's what's been written:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Thank you for your quick reply, I can only once again appeal to you to listen to your customers, but that said I am somewhat relieved to hear that you are endorsing online sales of the N9 in the UK.

Regards,

(NAME)


From: stephen.elop@nokia.com [mailto:stephen.elop@nokia.com]
Sent: 11 August 2011 02:12
To: o_***** @hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Problem purchasing Nokia in the UK

Thanks for the note.

We do expect to have N9 available through some online resellers. That being said, it is also our intention to have Windows Phone based products which themselves are a great user experience and that beat the competition. Indeed, consumer research including in the UK encourages us that this will be achieved.

I hope we can meet your needs one way or the other.

Regards,

Stephen


From: ext Owen Griffiths [mailto:o_***** @hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 02:01
To: Elop Stephen (Nokia/Espoo)
Subject: Problem purchasing Nokia in the UK

Dear Mr Elop,

I am writing to express my concern at the decision not to sell the forthcoming Nokia N9 mobile telephone, in the UK. I have been a loyal Nokia customer for the past decade. With regards to your strategic decision to pursue the Windows Phone operating system, I am indeed sceptical. As a London based television editor I have a keen insight into consumer trends in technology. In the mobile brand game, Microsoft loses hands down to Apple. I cannot imagine myself ever owning an MS Widows Phone / Nokia – despite the fact that I embrace Windows PCs over Apple desktops. I willingly admit that they are less expensive and easier to maintain. It is unfathomable that Nokia has overlooked the Android mobile OS. However with the N9 and the Meego (previously Maemo) OS there is a unique opportunity to have a distinct user experience, which all the while is capable of compatibility with Android applications (Alien Dalvik). Above all, the most compelling reason to support the N9, is its user interface which by all accounts, in every side by side review places it head and shoulders above Apple IOS, Google Android, and MS WP7. Please allow educated consumers the opportunity to purchase the product they want. If for one moment you could set aside internal politics and your urgent desire to have a unified R&D strategy, it would be amazing to be able to purchase a phone which not only looks great but operationally trashes the competition. Please sell me a Nokia N9.

Deeply saddened and concerned,

(NAME AND ADDRESS SUPPLIED)


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

LOL. Please daddy, give me THAT toy, and I will forever be faithful :)

oweng 2011-08-13 09:20

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Give? I'll pay, but they aren't making it easy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1069025)
LOL. Please daddy, give me THAT toy, and I will forever be faithful :)


oweng 2011-08-13 09:22

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Sources are quite easy to come by. Email an organisation and start chatting. Sometimes they reply. I think it's called communication... :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1069017)
Interesting....
So this source claims Virgin's interested in assessing it for saleability?
It's bit 'late in the game' to be asking for demos for assessment isn't it.
If they were interested, surely they would've done that long ago!?
(then again, Nokia probably made zero efforts, to approach them)

Please let us know what the outcome is...
So long as you're 100% sure it's a legit source.
Who has direct knowledge of the dialogue w/Nokia, & the exact nature of their response.
It'll be interesting to know what Nokia's response is.


F2thaK 2011-08-13 09:23

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
translation:

"you may be able to get it, but you should buy a WP7 instead cuz Im a windoze fanboy"

jalyst 2011-08-13 09:44

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oweng (Post 1069057)
Sources are quite easy to come by. Email an organisation and start chatting. Sometimes they reply. I think it's called communication... :)

Well... that's obvious... :confused:
If the source updates you with how the approach went, please share.
Sounds like it could be a positive development.

Rauha 2011-08-13 12:16

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Stumbled on this on Twitter.

http://bit.ly/ro3Jf4

ladoga 2011-08-14 22:28

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Is it only me or does it seem like Nokia's management is intentionally trying to trip N9 by excluding it from largest potential markets? (Germany, UK, US)

Maybe they don't want it to be compared to upcoming Windows Phones. Imagine if customers think that N9 is superior, then it would be really hard for them to coinvince shareholders that killing MeeGo development and going for WP is the right way to go.

I add 1+1 considering mindless PR Elop and co. made by openly dissing Symbian, while hyping WP that they don't even have yet and I can't help thinking that it's Microsoft pulling the strings at Nokia's executive board. All these decisions have only hurt Nokia and sent it's market value crashing down.

I know the saying "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence", but are Nokia execs really that incompetent?

oweng 2011-08-15 14:21

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Vodafone have no intention of stocking it here (unles Nokia decide to launch it in the UK):

Good Afternoon Mr G,

It is my understanding that currently, Nokia have no plan to release the N9 in the UK via Mobile Networks.

Their last statement and update was that they had no plans to release it in the UK. While we would consider it if it became available, currently Nokia have not changed their position on releasing the handset.

As per your email from Mr Elop, it appears they are releasing mainly Windows Mobile 7 handsets rather than Symbian or Meego devices; and this may have impacted the possibility of releasing the N9.

If Nokia do change their stance, the Coming Soon section is where it would appear prior to release.

Kind Regards
*******

Directors Office
For and on behalf of
Guy Laurence
CEO UK
Mobile: 08080 044 477
Email: vodafonedirectorsoffice@vodafone.com

Vodafone UK, The Connection, Newbury, Berkshire RG14 2FN Registered in England No 1471587
vodafone.co.uk



Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1069087)
Well... that's obvious... :confused:
If the source updates you with how the approach went, please share.
Sounds like it could be a positive development.


jalyst 2011-08-15 14:53

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
^ Thanks, posted in the: "N9: it's finally here" thread.

Helmuth 2011-08-15 15:22

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
The decision is made based on devices they are planing to release in the future. But I don’t understand, haven’t they already stated that the N9 will be the last MeeGo device?

So this makes absolutely no sense.

jalyst 2011-08-16 05:13

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 1070335)
The decision is made based on devices they are planing to release in the future.

Not necessarily.

Quote:

But I don’t understand, haven’t they already stated that the N9 will be the last MeeGo device?
Nokia never said that.....
The correct English translation of what Elop said, contradicted what mainstream media claimed.
Others tried to point that out to sites like Engadget etc, but they refused to run with it.
Trawl for it in the massive... "N9: it's finally here" thread.

It's never been officially stated in English (press release etc), that "the N9 will be the last MeeGo device".
But never let the facts get in the way of a good story, says the interweb BLOGS :)

oweng 2011-08-16 21:41

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
02 have no intention either!

Quote:

Dear Mr G,

Thank you for writing to Ronan Dunne about being able to purchase a Nokia N9 with a contract from us. I understand Nokia CEO Stephen Elop advised you they’re expecting to have this phone available through some online retailers in the UK.

I’m sorry but we’re not planning to provide this phone to our customers for either a mobile contract or Pay & Go. We review the phones on our stock list regularly and test new phones which are launched before deciding if they’re compatible with our products and services and whether we’d like to provide them to our customers. We’ve decided instead to promote other phones on our stock list which we believe will offer our customer a wide range of features and good value for money. I’m also not aware if or when other online retailers may offer the Nokia N9 in the UK. I understand it’s been largely reported in the press that Nokia don’t intend to sell this phone in a number of countries including the UK. If you’re able to obtain this phone from another provider, please be aware this may not work with an O2 SIM as our SIMs are only guaranteed to work with the makes and models of phones we provide to our customers.

For further details of the phones we currently offer, please visit your local O2 store or have a look at our website www.o2.co.uk and I hope we’ll be able to provide a phone that’s right for you. If you decide to take a new contract with us, you can do this in one of our stores, on our website or by calling our sales team on 08442 020 202 and we’d be happy to help.

Although we can’t provide the phone you’re looking for, I hope this is useful for you. For any further queries about this, please call me on 0845 330 0683. Alternatively if I’m not available, one of my colleagues would be happy to help and we’re open between 8am and 6.30pm Monday to Friday. .

Kind regards

*****

| Telefónica UK Limited
Executive Relations
T 0845 330 0683

marxian 2011-08-16 22:14

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Dear Stephen,

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

Regards,

Angry Dev

Sent from my N950

catbus 2011-08-16 22:19

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
"This is bad... ookayyy..."

http://www.weirdspace.dk/SouthPark/Graphics/Mackey.gif

oweng 2011-08-16 23:30

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Well now that we have Mr Mackey on board there should be no problems.

Drugs are bad...

Quote:

Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1071464)


jalyst 2011-08-17 06:16

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
I don't think these telco's are making the decision not run with the N9, purely on the basis that it's a bad product compared to WP, as Elop subtly tried to suggest.
There's much more going on, that we're not being told about.... :(

oweng 2011-08-17 08:46

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
To be honest, I don't think they've had a real introduction to the phone - it's clearly been kept away from UK suppliers, no big mystery.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1071575)
I don't think these telco's are making the decision not run with the N9, purely on the basis that it's a bad product compared to WP, as Elop subtly tried to suggest.
There's much more going on, that we're not being told about.... :(


ajalkane 2011-08-17 08:58

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Or perhaps Nokia makes it clear they're assisting in advertising for Windows Phone models, but N9 is not receiving such push in these markets. Makes it pretty simple then for the money hungry telcos :).

lma 2011-08-17 08:59

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1071575)
I don't think these telco's are making the decision not run with the N9, purely on the basis that it's a bad product compared to WP, as Elop subtly tried to suggest.
There's much more going on, that we're not being told about.... :(

It may even be that they are boycotting Nokia altogether, in which case the excrement is really going to collide with the ventilation apparatus when the searay comes out.

oweng 2011-08-17 09:01

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
I don't think there's a big conspiracy - no guns are being held to peoples' heads. This is a sin of omission not commission.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1071654)
Or perhaps Nokia makes it clear they're assisting in advertising for Windows Phone models, but N9 is not receiving such push in these markets. Makes it pretty simple then for the money hungry telcos :).


jalyst 2011-08-18 05:56

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1071654)
Or perhaps Nokia makes it clear they're assisting in advertising for Windows Phone models, but N9 is not receiving such push in these markets. Makes it pretty simple then for the money hungry telcos :).

That's a good/practical point...
WP/Searay is where the money will be going for advertising in this particular market.
So why back a phone that Nokia doesn't intend to push with it's massive WP advertising budget.
I hate cold hard business.... :(

jalyst 2011-08-18 05:57

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oweng (Post 1071646)
To be honest, I don't think they've had a real introduction to the phone - it's clearly been kept away from UK suppliers

Yes that's probably part of it.

jalyst 2011-08-18 05:58

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 1071655)
It may even be that they are boycotting Nokia altogether, in which case the excrement is really going to collide with the ventilation apparatus when the searay comes out.

I'll be getting popcorn out if that one happens.... :D

myname24 2012-03-10 11:36

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
well he replied to my e-mail too :p

Thanks … I will share those concerns with
the team. We are indeed committed to the Qt
development platform, so we expect to
see more app’s there in the future. Regards, Stephen
From: ext Maurice Fakhry Friday, March 09, 2012 14:06 To: Elop Stephen (Nokia/Espoo) Subject: N9 support Dear Mr Elop, I am writing to express my concern on
the app side support for the nokia N9 .
First thanks for the completion of firefox
and flash for it . And second as we know
the meego team is shrinking and the
PR1.3 will be a bug fix release with some valuable additions. But closing the
bugtracker only 10 days after lunching
PR1.2 is a bad move and people didn't
really test it and have the sufficient time
to submit bugs . But it's not the main
problem . The main problem is that N9 was supposed to be a super social
phone , but lack a simple bunch of apps
like nimbuzz and Whatsapp and viber.
Therefore the success of it was good but
not everybody need open source systems.
And to add more the lumia's didn't lunch in all countries and the N9 is the only
flagship available . So please at least
make sure that those apps are being
developed for the N9 and because of QT
it will continue to other devices.

ok I know it's a very bad english :p

jalyst 2012-03-10 11:51

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Sigh.........

ibrakalifa 2012-03-10 12:21

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by myname24 (Post 1177391)
well he replied to my e-mail too :p

Thanks … I will share those concerns with
the team. We are indeed committed to the Qt
development platform, so we expect to
see more app’s there in the future. Regards, Stephen
From: ext Maurice Fakhry Friday, March 09, 2012 14:06 To: Elop Stephen (Nokia/Espoo) Subject: N9 support Dear Mr Elop, I am writing to express my concern on
the app side support for the nokia N9 .
First thanks for the completion of firefox
and flash for it . And second as we know
the meego team is shrinking and the
PR1.3 will be a bug fix release with some valuable additions. But closing the
bugtracker only 10 days after lunching
PR1.2 is a bad move and people didn't
really test it and have the sufficient time
to submit bugs . But it's not the main
problem . The main problem is that N9 was supposed to be a super social
phone , but lack a simple bunch of apps
like nimbuzz and Whatsapp and viber.
Therefore the success of it was good but
not everybody need open source systems.
And to add more the lumia's didn't lunch in all countries and the N9 is the only
flagship available . So please at least
make sure that those apps are being
developed for the N9 and because of QT
it will continue to other devices.

ok I know it's a very bad english :p

if u emailed me like this one, i will kick ur a*$, wth u want a nimbuzz or wazzap? damn maybe someday u'll ask for bbm!!:mad:

myname24 2012-03-10 12:31

Re: Stephen Elop replied to my email - re: N9 availability in the uk
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1177403)
if u emailed me like this one, i will kick ur a*$, wth u want a nimbuzz or wazzap? damn maybe someday u'll ask for bbm!!:mad:


First take it easy and second I don't need whatsapp or nimbuzz or anything to be connected but I know a huge number of people sold their N9's because of it . And I don't care what you think or even your offensive language .


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