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Elop is on hot pan now - shareholders see an example how to save a failing company.

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There are rumours that Samsung may make a move for NOKIA.

If Samsung had NOKIA's patent portfolio under it's control Apple would have to fight with them toe to toe in the marketplace rather than in a court room. Samsung would love that, Apple would hate it.

If Elop succeeds in taking NOKIA down I would much prefer it if Samsung nicked their IPR from under M$ nose. It would be funny if Elop's sabotage and willful destruction of NOKIA actually resulted in Samsung getting patents to bash WP with.

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Well, Elop is forced to do something but from possible variants he would chose some which hurts M$ the least and I guess it would be Intel but not Samsung because of (... read your comment).

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Nokia it's going to hard to be bought

to buy it someone needs at least 25B---30B+

buyers can be either microsoft, samsung and intel.

it would turn samsung into #1 mobile manufacturer in all markets.

for microsoft it would force nokia to use WP7 even it fails like it will.

and intel would get someone to push x86 to compete with ARM.

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Almost opposite of Motorola. Motorola is a small fish, they only make android phones in small numbers, but have a large bag of IP. Nokia is gigantic, but do not have a proportionally larger bag of IP.

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M$ probably think they're the shoe-in for the deal because Elop is Ballmer's puppet, the shareholders may well see things differently.

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"Microsoft is facing an existential threat, says Mr. Evans. In a world moving away from a pure PC environment, it has to have a mobile OS. Nokia was likewise facing a similar threat. The marriage between the two gave them both what they needed."

This is just qualifyid ******** from some amateur analys reportes.

Nokia has QT nokia did have Meego and Symbian!

Every ****ing internet media see it in an american perspective, seems nothing else matters.

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I dont think Intel want to buy Nokia they very PISSED on Nokia butI must say it would be VERY FUNNY ROTFL :-D :-D :-D

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Of course it will affect Nokia. It just remains to be seen how.

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Always fun reading your analyse. Everytime someone saying anything bad about Nokia you stick your head in the sand and say lalalala.

Ofcourse tit can happen. Its very rude big bussiness.

It always happens. Latest swedish example saab outomobile raped by American and Asian companys now very soon dead.

Who would think that would happen for ten years ago?

And btw. who would think US and European would go down and the now economic growing countrys are Indian and Kina?

This is one of the reason the mobile industry is just pissing in theyr revirs. Its very big bussines. Some says its more money in mobile industry than medicine industry.

The rape of mobile companys will continue thats for sure.

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Capitalism sucks. Simple as that.

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In a good mood today I see :) I don't object to people saying bad things about Nokia. I object to the complete lack of logic.

Google buying Motorola != Microsoft buying Nokia. There is not even a logical implication of any kind. But Google buying Motorola will have large effects on the mobile industry, that's for sure. It is the end of Android as we know it. WP is suddenly not such a "bad" move.

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Of course there's a logical implication. The more mergers happen, the more others will be compelled to follow suit-- out of defense if nothing else. The proof happens almost every day lately.

Nokia's stock is at a dangerous point right now. Microsoft may very well have to purchase Nokia, or at least a large interest, just to ensure the success of its WP strategy (as they once did with Apple, ironically). Or as Helmuth pointed out, Intel could buy Nokia to bolster MeeGo and also defend some of its own interests. Regardless, Nokia is an attractive target and at some point certain players will not be able to resist it.

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Russian gadfly journalist Eldar Murtazin says that Microsoft is buying Nokia, for 27 billion dollars.

Eldar's original tweet:

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thats scary.....

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not gonna happen.

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if he turns right --- AGAIN. i be scare

if microsoft buys nokia n900 will be my last nokia phone, i will never ever recommend one.

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He's been right more than once.. then again, I don't know how many times he's been wrong.

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a few times... but even when he was wrong, was more like last minute change. out of his control. he did predict elop would start to remove s40, and it turn out to be true in the US.

eldar its bad a camera reviewing. he seems to prefer dull pictures sometimes , some other bright pictures.

as in k800 vs n73, n8 vs samsung pixon

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I thought these specualtions were a bit daft until I saw Bloomberg News talking about Nokia being good value for money for a take over this morning...

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...=stock&page=50

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This reminded me of a few futuristic movies i've seen (Alien) where the world is run by corporations and not governments, its probably like that already, just not so public :)

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@oweng: I wouldn't have started this thread if I didn't believe a M$ buyout was a real possibility. Now I think it's more likely than not.

@Daneel: That happened a long time ago, at least in the US.

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Does anyone really, I mean honestly, give a ****?

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Other than the impact to employees and their families, no I don't - except that all these mergers, acquisitions, partnerships and patent wars will ultimately determine what devices I will have to choose from and what operating systems they run. I DO care about that!

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Nokia was already getting primed to be sold. Elop has already sold or in the process of selling software assets in the form of Symbian and QT. This makes Nokia very attractive as a pure hardware manufacturer to be sold for its patent portfolio.

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Good point. I saw this happen at Texas Instruments not long before our division was sold to Raytheon.

EDIT: oh, and here's a logo that got a laugh from me last year--

http://www.611connect.com/files/nokia_intel.png
:D

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So you see the signs :) Does this also include news from Microsoft that they have no plans of purchasing Nokia? No? Thought so.

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Oh yea, they are going to publicly announce that they have plans to buy Nokia thus inflating the price of the stocks tenfold.

The US government should hire you to fix their debt, you seem really clever.

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Actually both have issued denials, but I know from direct personal experience that those sorts of denials mean nothing.

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Question 1

Who:

• at one point recently had greater cash reserves than the US federal government?
• is fighting mobile tech patent lawsuits currently?
• has had to settle patent lawsuits with Nokia before?
• is a direct competitor of Microsoft and will be seeking to keep all MSFT mobile efforts down?

Answers on an ultra-thin, shiny and wickedly overpriced postcard please.

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But as Romney says: Corporations are people! :D

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Soylent Green is people!!!

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If WP had > 50% market share, it would make some sense. WP has only 1% and purchasing Nokia will only alienate the others, Samsung in particular. It is not going to happen.

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That's what many thought the day before Google bought Motorola.

Usually those saying "never" are the most surprised. I learned to take it out of my vocabulary eons ago... and replace it with "doubtful, but..." ;)

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The one part of this whole deal that bothers me... Motorola has 17,000 patents, 7,500 patent applications... and that's more or less what Google was after.

Microsoft isn't after those. They have enough damaging patents to effectively demand - or strong arm if you really want to say it more correctly - money from Android handset manufacturers. At the rate that Oracle, Apple and Microsoft as well as Google are going out for patents for an upcoming patent war that basically the consumer will lose the most; we're not talking (at least here at TMO) about the patents that Nokia has.

Or better yet, those patents that Nokia has licensed to Apple and others. Hadn't Nokia and Qualcomm made a friendly deal in 2008? Hadn't Nokia and Apple made another deal in 2010? Now they're working with Microsoft in 2011?

Nokia's position is an odd one... almost in the middle of it all. And if Microsoft were to buy Nokia, they will have to make deals with Qualcomm and Apple.

It's almost as if it would be better for them to go out of business. Or if Intel were to snap them up, then let Intel deal with it - they're coming in from a different angle than the others.

Let's see happens.

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Funny, I was just now discussing that with a co-worker who also used to be in telecom. I said essentially what you did but went further: for Intel, a Nokia purchase would fill in a big gap. It would make good business growth sense, and even the brand would be useful. For most of the other speculative suitors, it's more about asset acquisition-- particularly patent weaponry.

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Well, the obvious problem for Microsoft is that whoever buys Nokia is also going kill the whole WP7 strategy on first day. If MS waits too long and the price drops again, then someone can try to takeover Nokia and MS ends up in nasty bidding war.

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I didn't say "never" by the way :) Google purchasing Motorola makes sense (too Google at least). Microsoft purchasing Nokia makes no sense to anyone, Microsoft included. That is the difference.

Intel may want to do lots of things, but even if they do want to purchase Nokia that is guarantied never to happen.

As far as I'm concerned, Google has purchased Motorola and it is the beginning of the end for Android as we know it, and that's it. Suddenly every other mobile OS seems that much more attractive.

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ericsson-- you're saying "never" in that post! And previous ones! so... :confused: (please don't get hung up in semantics... I'm talking about the meaning, not wording)

You're also presenting your opinion as fact... and, ironically, illogically to boot. The events you say "make no sense to anyone" do in fact make perfect sense to many, and very strong reasons why have been presented here and elsewhere. No one else is bound by your singular and (sorry) naive take on things.

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I agree that Nokia seems too big and expensive to buy, but I also realize that Motorola Mobile (MM) is pretty pricey too. Let's break down the numbers:

Google agreed to buy MM and it's 706 patents for $12.5 billion. Nokia has 2,655 patents. Someone mentioned earlier that Nokia would be something like a $30 billion purchase. Patent ratio wise, that would be better value than the MM agreement...