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"256MB Ram, 800MHz, 2GB Storage, 3" touchscreen, 3MP Camera... "
Sounds like my HTC Magic (in some respects better, like the CPU), the second Android device launched, so top of the line smartphone from two years ago is now "feature phone".. Still using it, a bit sluggish with Android 2.2 but it works until I get my N9 next week. I'm sure they can make decent low-end phones with this hardware.

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I don't think anyone should get existed about this. First of all because for now it's just a rumor. Second and maybe most important this is nokia we're talking about they are ment to either fvck up something good or support something really bad. Third of all low end, light weigh,t sounds to me like this os even if it comes to existence will have very low capabilities and probably no way to run a real linux stack on it.

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They've been "talking" about meltemi for some time now, The only news here is that its supposed to be linux and not s40. Maybe they decided continue with maemo and drop the s40 qt plans (if this was the plan in the first place). Any future linux distro coming from nokia is gonna be some evolution of maemo.

As harmattan runs fine on 1ghz hardware and with qt 5 it will be even faster UI-wise I don't know why not to go this route.

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Too late. I read it therefore I am.

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Exactly what I've been saying for a while now and one of the two biggest reasons why I didn't get an N900 (the other being I didn't want a cell phone in my tablet... I still don't).

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Why?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=135

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But really.. do they care about security? There aren't even regular kernel and app updates... not since Maemo.. not in MeeGo... why would they use that as a reason to use RPM's over DEB? Mind you--I would LOVE it if they used that as the excuse to do BOTH.

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https://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin...19327852871680

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Definitely not, considering they couldn't even be arsed to sign the repositories with the correct keys (or maybe they were indeed hacked, who knows? especially in light of recent revelations of other LF-hosted sites being compromised).

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what do you mean!? this is nothing new. its in the "billion strategy"

Nokia has said from start of elopcalypse that Qt will be used on lorange devices and Meltemi has been discussed before.

They probadly "leaked" it again after yesterdays announcement of tizen. And now maybe with some more info to make the rumor go wild...

too me this is logical step. meltemi is more like Maemo7... I mean loprice devices 2012 will be > 600Mhz perfect running linux :D instead of broken symbian crap.

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Eldar has no future...

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This new OS is most likely going to turn out to be another POS which doesn't last. Just a waste of time and money.

Why does anyone care if Nokia is bringing out this crap, cut down OS?
If it's for low end phones (no keyboard no touch screen on some?). It's going to be hell for Nokia. Developers won't jump from Symbion for a this new piece of crap, just like they didn't jump onto the Maemo bandwagon!

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ofcourse not why the heck should nokia employers work for Tizen!? its not even has Qt as main framework...

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Perhaps to remain relevant? :)

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What is wrong woth Harmattan/Meego? Why not use that if it is going to look the same?
It is going to use Swipe so will look the same as Harmattan/Meego. And Harmattan/Meego works very well on 1GHz proc. as you can see in the N9. And they already have 1GHz proc in low end s40 devices.

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If you're assuming that they're going to look the same, then the question could be flipped around: What is wrong with NOT using Harmattan/MeeGo?

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RTOS have some advantages over linux/windows etc. Less hardware requirements (memory), deterministic deadline (important for critical sensor input, e.g. a computer that triggers airbags in cars would never use (standard) linux), less power consumption.

I think the only relevant advantage when it comes to smart phones today is power consumption.

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actually if N9 would be reference platform, limiting the multitasking would be probably all you need to jump from harmattan to meltemi. single core 1ghz processors are getting cheaper day by day and limiting multitasking brings down the requirement for the ram.

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I literally ripped one as I read this post!!!

slaapliedje

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I think the question is... why not a DIFFERENT RT-capable Linux-based OS, though? Or hell.. why not ANY other RTOS?

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You mean like symbian or s40? Well RTOS are more expensive to maintain and especially to extend than linux (Linux kernel provides all necessary services, for your own custom RTOS you have to do a lot by yourself) Also I would argue linux has better performance (less communication overhead), but honestly i'm not an expert.

Nokia won't give up on s40 for "dumbphones", but maybe they decided they could reach lower price points with linux too and don't have to use s40 for that.

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Off-topic, but Something just doesn't match up here... Eldar also said yesterday, that Nokia's Vertu is under fire; sales aren't good as Russian retailer Euroset is going to stop business. Bloomberg, however, tells the same day, that Vertu is doing better than ever - "the division's (Vertu) success is largely due to surging demand in the Persian Gulf, Russia, China and other status-conscious emerging markets".

So someone really has no future... :)

http://news.businessweek.com/article...OCH0AA42L0794E
https://twitter.com/#!/eldarmurtazin...75215317876736

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Or rather because of the other yesterday's announcement of laying off 3500 employees around the world and closing factories, to show that there is some credible plan to refactor the company and not "just" size it down -- all for government in Finland which is very worried about these layoffs as Nokia, Digia, and Finnair have announced their troubles yesterday. This is after Elop has promised April 27th that there will be no additional layoffs to those announced in April.

I'd be brutal and look at WSJ level leaks with these lenses. It is political battle and all means are "fine" in it.

Assuming if they would fly. Good luck to those who are still in the flock.

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As far as I can see, Nokia's strategy for past decade was to rely more and more on external suppliers, be it hardware or software non-core business. This is classical learning from MBA courses (concentrate on your core competencies) and can be seen same way here. After all, MeeGo developments were also in this style -- make it possible to externally develop whole core OS and only work on the areas where your differentiation is worth from business/strategy points of view. If you have ever looked into Nokia's Maemo Base Port requirements for external vendors, you'd seen that immediately.

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Commu..._Port_v1.1.pdf

Now, all this means that if there is even something coming out of Nokia on "meltemi" wind, it most likely follow similar approach by acquiring base OS or even adaptation parts from those hardware manufacturers who are working with Linux. But as there are very few of those in low price points and most of them seem to be oriented to Android business, it would be interesting to see what Nokia gets. Android base port is sufficiently different from what Maemo base port was, including available APIs (bionic vs eglibc, for example, power management at drivers level, etc). Maintaining real-time code on top of such base port seem to be unlikely and business unviable, at least to me. There are some RT-related patches for Linux kernel, but then, if your HW vendor gives you a kernel that he supports, would you struggle with your own patches on top of it without dedicated kernel team of quality that already left the ship?

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Let's not mix technology and policies here. A technology (in this case aegis) that can verify certain things and provide secure storage for application/user data and define what can use what does have it's valid use. What are the actual policies and implementation is another matter. To draw an analogy - it's not the same thing to argue that the police should (not) exist and to argue what should a police be enforcing.

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rather this than windows phone really.

now, they are whistlers than say nokia keeping them to not fire them,

so i will not get fond of it unless i see high end devices coming with it.

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Please, let's rather discuss this on the aegis thread.

What Nokia has done is add the *possibility* of controlling the platform, most likely because at the time (I guess before Feb 11) operators who were considering N9 demanded it.

As far as we know, unlocked phones will however allow you control (but you will lose features until you reflash).

But, please discuss this on the aegis thread.

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Why not Harmattan with an RT kernel?

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In a sense that is Nokia's way of saying that with the transition from MeeGo to Tizen, they are officially leaving the boat an refocusing their Linux know-how on Meltemi development.

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Meltemi is at least real, since Elop mentions it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxc4I...ailpage#t=106s

I wonder what the "Clipper program" is tho. Perhaps the device or group of devices?

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Maybe he meant 'clippy'. :D

http://blogs.technet.com/blogfiles/c...5/clippy_2.png

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My guess would be just that. Meltemi is the software and Clipper the hardware running that software.


Meltemi = a wind
Clipper = a type of sailing ship.

"Meltemi is the wind that drives the clipper forward ".
:)

Clipper from wikipedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rbor_1851.jpeg

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And yet another silly name for a mobile linux OS.

When will these companies see that the more successful platforms have names that are either descriptive of the OS/device itself or have a name with a universal appeal and a little relevance.

I do hope this OS is successful but I would not want to have to explain all of that warm wind stuff and why they called it so when someone asks me, just before the inevitable "Can it play angry birds?" is uttered.

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going by these s.h.i.tty namings, Nokia will soon be exhausted and will come to an Indian wind...

In India, the most famous wind is named as "Loo".

Imagine an OS finally named Loo, "Am working on a html5 app in loo"

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LOO would be a great name if they used it as an acronym for Linux Oriented OS. It pretty much tells you what it IS.

But yes they will soon exhaust themselves of silly OS names. I mean after all, Klingon is still rather a limited language.

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sweet melt, emi

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Though he mispronounces it, you'd think a CEO would get things like that right :-/

Idle speculation: meltemi isn't just a wind, but a Mediterranean one in particular like the first four (mistral, scirocco, gregale, bora). Could be something that's been in the works for a long time. The first I've heard of it was here, but it sounded more like "future disruptions" territory than a S40 replacement for "next billion". On the other hand this is a strong hint that the WSJ didn't get their wires crossed.

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With a name like 'meltemi', I'm not sure you'll even get past the sour-face and waving hand as they say, "Naw.. I'll pass," as they move on to look over something else.

The name even just SOUNDS bad.

I think the point about 'loo' is lost you, perhaps? Also--bite your tongue about Klingon, Ha'DIbaH!

They should stop choosing words that NOBODY can consistently pronounce--especially English speakers. :P Ugh--Nokia.

And I can't help a slight smirk every time I hear that phrase 'future distruptions' with regard to anything Nokia. It's just ironic to hear that now.

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If I understood correctly, this is internal Nokia's project name. It never has to be used in public for marketing purposes, same for development community. For public there is 'next billion' and 'S40' or whatever was or will be made by marketing people.

You need to get over it. Discussing origins of internal nicknames for projects/hardware items is probably fun but leads to little or no advancement in understanding what it is going really to be. Like at my current employer a part of a project I'm working on was called 'bluebox' at some distant point just because it had no name and in an architecture diagram corresponding software component was shown in a blue box to demonstrate what is needed to be implemented. Go figure, 'Bluebox' project!

The whole idea of internal project names at Nokia is to be able to refer to something without explicitly describing the project itself. I'm sure, if someone bright enough would have been in love with C-3PO instead of sailing in a sea, all Linux projects at Nokia would have been named after languages C-3PO knew.

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You've clearly never read or watched Dilbert and therefore have no idea just how critical a project name really is for the customer to be impressed and interested. :)

Dogbert: As you probably know, all the good product names have been trademarked by companies who are competent.
Wally: Competent? How are we going to compete with that?