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ajalkane 2011-10-26 12:39
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1113916)
I am outraged at the proposed pricing for the Nokia 800. $585 usd?!? While many of us here in the states are struggling to find a reputable source of a N9 16GB that isn't around $725. That little extra bit of screen size surely isn't worth that much. I'm sure they might be paying MS some sort of licensing fee, so why the hell is it so much cheaper? It feels like a slap in the face for those who want Nokia HW and more importantly SW.
Nokia wants to recoup those millions they put to developing
MeeGo. Windows Phone they did not have to put R&D resources into.

tissot 2011-10-26 12:39
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1113916)
I am outraged at the proposed pricing for the Nokia 800. $585 usd?!? While many of us here in the states are struggling to find a reputable source of a N9 16GB that isn't around $725. That little extra bit of screen size surely isn't worth that much. I'm sure they might be paying MS some sort of licensing fee, so why the hell is it so much cheaper? It feels like a slap in the face for those who want Nokia HW and more importantly SW.
N9 also got higher reso screen, NFC, front camera and 1GB of RAM, all missing from 800.

As N9 64GB owner i see no reason for 800, might get 710.

rash.m2k 2011-10-26 12:52
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggadebo (Post 1113928)
Presumably I could also connect wirelessly using winscp?
lol, winscp! It's a WP7 phone not Linux, ain't got a chance in hell of that!

ziggadebo 2011-10-26 12:55
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 1113935)
lol, winscp! It's a WP7 phone not Linux, ain't got a chance in hell of that!
Couldn't I install winscp on the phone and ssh into my linux box?

rash.m2k 2011-10-26 12:55
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
I think you'd have to put a gun to my head to force me to use the anything with MS logo stamped to it.

I highly unlikely be buying any of the WP7 phones, I think I'm stuck with Android (Ice cream looks good with multi-tasking), or Tizen if Samsung can be bothered to make a phone with decent build quality, decent microphone and loudspeaker - i.e. built for voice clarity not acting like a chav and blasting music.

jalyst 2011-10-26 13:24
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/26/w...p1-1-hands-on/

Rob1n 2011-10-26 13:30
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggadebo (Post 1113936)
Couldn't I install winscp on the phone and ssh into my linux box?
Depends on whether it's available for WP7.5 - you can't just install the desktop version, and I doubt that it's as simple as just recompiling for ARM either.

rash.m2k 2011-10-26 13:46
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggadebo (Post 1113936)
Couldn't I install winscp on the phone and ssh into my linux box?
I thought you meant the other way, ssh TO your phone, my bad.

ziggadebo 2011-10-26 13:52
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob1n (Post 1113955)
Depends on whether it's available for WP7.5 - you can't just install the desktop version, and I doubt that it's as simple as just recompiling for ARM either.
Whats the point in a windows phone if it wont run windows software?

juanenrique 2011-10-26 14:06
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
i know someone already posted the gsmarena comparison, but i hereby post nokia's own comparison:

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...v=Lumia_800,N9

patlak 2011-10-26 14:15
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 1113898)
The real question is could Meego from Nokia N9 run on the Nokia 800?

Then I could buy the cheaper 800 and dump Meego on it!
You can't. It has half the ram of the N9 and has a completely different SoC.

don_falcone 2011-10-26 14:19
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggadebo (Post 1113965)
Whats the point in a windows phone if it wont run windows software?
Was that a valid question, or are you teasing us? Do you know the differences between Windows CE / Pocket PC / Mobile / Phone / Luggable (whatever they call their embedded stuff for the next two years) and Windows for Desktops and Servers?

Here, "Windows" is meant as in some ported Windows APIs / frameworks etc. and foremost "Windows as a trademark". Not "Windows and. Windows" as in "binary compatible".

patlak 2011-10-26 14:20
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pusak gaoq (Post 1113889)
here if the full compare between Nokia Lumia 800 & Nokia N9.....

Nokia Lumia 800 vs Nokia N9


Nokia N9 lost only at his processor....

1GHz Cortex A8 CPU, PowerVR SGX530 GPU, TI OMAP 3630 chipset (n9)

1.4 GHz processor, Qualcomm MSM8255 chipset, 3D Graphics HW Accelerator (Lumia 800)
WP is finally as snappy as Harmattan. That .4GHz did manage to narrow that 1.5s break when loading apps. You also forgot the ram difference, 1GB vs 512MB.

Check this out, N9 vs HTC Radar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3frrZvX4Zs

Elop is a dumbutt.

oweng 2011-10-26 14:50
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1113984)
Was that a valid question, or are you teasing us? Do you know the differences between Windows CE / Pocket PC / Mobile / Phone / Luggable (whatever they call their embedded stuff for the next two years) and Windows for Desktops and Servers?

Here, "Windows" is meant as in some ported Windows APIs / frameworks etc. and foremost "Windows as a trademark". Not "Windows and. Windows" as in "binary compatible".
You just summed up the problem - if I had windows 7 professional working on a very small form factor tablet, with phone functionality I would be very happy.

rash.m2k 2011-10-26 15:01
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1113981)
You can't. It has half the ram of the N9 and has a completely different SoC.
So why does this Meego webpage say you can????

http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#MSM...are_adaptation

dtergens 2011-10-26 15:11
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Here's a video for those like me who wanted to compare N9 & Lumia 800 body and their 3.7" & 3.9" screen ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F34Ly...edded#!t=1m43s

PMaff 2011-10-26 15:13
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1113824)
So are these the god phones that Elop promised were necessary, & required going all in with one OS/ecosystem?
http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/products/featured-phones/
They're not looking that amazing at all to me personally...
Lumina 710 & 800, former was going to be called 703, according to rumors.
I wonder if there's one other they'll announce before EOY that's far more beefy overall?
Nokia Lumia 800: "Total user memory

16 GB mass memory (no slot for micro-SD cards) "
according to
http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/product...pecifications/

No SD card?

I have 64GB on my N900!
So why should I buy that WP7 crap?

No dual core.
Battery BV-5JW 3.7V 1450mAh is also weak.
Capacitive . :-(
No lense cover as the N900 has.
A tiny flash (wonder how this will be usable).
No keyboard.

Small form factor but afaics the N9 already has that and I like the size and grip of my N900,
so this would be no USP.

Ok, the 710 may serve as entry point but the 800 is a big fail
if there does not follow anything better.

oweng 2011-10-26 15:14
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtergens (Post 1114016)
Here's a video for those like me who wanted to compare N9 & N800 body and their 3.7" & 3.9" screen ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F34Ly...edded#!t=1m43s
N800 or is that Lumina 800

(Doesn't anyone else think they sound like Panasonic Cameras?
....oh no that's lumix, isn't it?)

patlak 2011-10-26 15:20
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 1114008)
So why does this Meego webpage say you can????

http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#MSM...are_adaptation
And yet, that's not MeeGo Harmattan, i.e. Maemo 6.

reinob 2011-10-26 15:22
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oweng (Post 1114019)
N800 or is that Lumina 800

(Doesn't anyone else think they sound like Panasonic Cameras?
....oh no that's lumix, isn't it?)
Well the Nokia is LUMIA not LUMINA. Are you spanish?

I am, and although I have to confess I wasn't sure what that word meant, now I do (www.rae.es, that's as authoritative as it gets).

So one can still say that Elop is a Lumia! :)

dtergens 2011-10-26 15:24
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oweng (Post 1114019)
N800 or is that Lumina 800

(Doesn't anyone else think they sound like Panasonic Cameras?
....oh no that's lumix, isn't it?)
Yeah, you're right, I edited my post

and no it's not Lumina, but Lumia :p

oweng 2011-10-26 15:29
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtergens (Post 1114030)
Yeah, you're right, I edited my post

and no it's not Lumina, but Lumia :p
I Prefer Lumix, now they are good cameras...

nicholes 2011-10-26 15:36
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1113865)
According to one blog "Asha" means "Hope" in Hindi. Not sure if Nokia should be selling hope, consider how little of that it has left.
there "asha" is a name not (hope) it is noun there

i am from india can understand hindi well

HomesIckAlien 2011-10-26 15:37
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Must say I'm quietly encouraged by this if not massively overwhelmed with desire. Glad they stuck with the Poly N9 form design...that's a winner.

However I'm not convinced it'll have enough momentum to take on Android ICS...

Question is where are the Apps going to come from ?...& how quickly ? Plus .....I just can't believe they left NFC off - that's a potential gamechanger....surely there's another high-ender to come ?

Specs-wise when you factor in the price.....it looks like a loss-leader. However it won't get off the ground without the Apps.....does anyone know where these will come from ??:confused:

And...will Nokia Music work without WiFI ?

It all seems very locked - in a la Microsoft / Apple.....I don't want to be tied into SkyDrive/Bing/M$... I have my own preferences.....

And the keynote was very Microsoft & not very Nokia.....I sincerely hope Nokia isn't going to be absorbed...

Not letting my n900 go just yet.....

nicholes 2011-10-26 15:42
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PMaff (Post 1114018)
Nokia Lumia 800: "Total user memory

16 GB mass memory (no slot for micro-SD cards) "
according to
http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/product...pecifications/

No SD card?

I have 64GB on my N900!
So why should I buy that WP7 crap?

No dual core.
Battery BV-5JW 3.7V 1450mAh is also weak.
Capacitive . :-(
No lense cover as the N900 has.
A tiny flash (wonder how this will be usable).
No keyboard.

Small form factor but afaics the N9 already has that and I like the size and grip of my N900,
so this would be no USP.

Ok, the 710 may serve as entry point but the 800 is a big fail
if there does not follow anything better.
i totally agree with you and think N feel the same!!!

nicholes 2011-10-26 15:54
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
I am reding trough the thread and i feel that some qustion asked like " cannot i use winscp on my windows phone and log into my linux?" Some one asked what is the sence of buying a windows phone if we cannot install windows softwers on it"

thats enough i think there are some people who would buy this phone for WINDOWS OS and they think this will be like windows xp lol....

oweng 2011-10-26 15:56
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholes (Post 1114053)
I am reding trough the thread and i feel that some qustion asked like " cannot i use winscp on my windows phone and log into my linux?" Some one asked what is the sence of buying a windows phone if we cannot install windows softwers on it"

thats enough i think there are some people who would buy this phone for WINDOWS OS and they think this will be like windows xp lol....
Exactly - it will sell and then disappoint...

Raubtier 2011-10-26 16:26
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
the design is nice, but why oh why:

1) is the homescreen with the tiles soooo ugly?! plus the tiles are inferior to widgets due to the small size, there is not enough space to project anything relevant.

2) are there no customizable homescreens? the n900 had the best solution with 100% fully customizable homescreens, this is what nokia should be building on.

3) is there no notification light??!

4) no windowsphone with a slideout keyboard?

ziggadebo 2011-10-26 16:33
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
I'm extremely naive. When Mr Elop said about the new handset "this is the first real Windows phone"

i stupidly took this to mean it was running the real windows operating system.

ivlok 2011-10-26 16:54
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
How ironic Lumia translates to prostitute in spanish, because Nokia certainly has whored itself out under Elop!
And this phone ain't no high price call girl either. More like $2 crack whore.

mikecomputing 2011-10-26 17:07
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1113824)
So are these the god phones that Elop promised were necessary, & required going all in with one OS/ecosystem?
http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/products/featured-phones/
They're not looking that amazing at all to me personally...
Lumina 710 & 800, former was going to be called 703, according to rumors.
I wonder if there's one other they'll announce before EOY that's far more beefy overall?

The specs is just ridicilous. Elop and the failing board is so damn desperate by using same design as N9. Funny when they also say "they dont want to release N9 in UK cause the consumers may be confiused cause they look the same" Oh really!? So why the **** use exact same design? Itrs obviours, they just talking bullcrap they so damn affraid N9 and Meego Harmattan would sell out ElopFailOS.

But I guess with alot of brain watching people may think WP strategy actually is better than Maemo Harmattan!

I remember last year we got pissed cause N9 was not released. But this year must be even bigger fail than last year.

Must say I love N9 even more after today Elop fail announcement :cool:

N9 is the best device comming from Nokia for years!

mikecomputing 2011-10-26 17:30
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1113916)
I am outraged at the proposed pricing for the Nokia 800. $585 usd?!? While many of us here in the states are struggling to find a reputable source of a N9 16GB that isn't around $725. That little extra bit of screen size surely isn't worth that much. I'm sure they might be paying MS some sort of licensing fee, so why the hell is it so much cheaper? It feels like a slap in the face for those who want Nokia HW and more importantly SW.
Because 800 has no:

* NFC
* no frontcamera


And stop this ******** about no SW updates. N9 WILL have SW updates.

mikecomputing 2011-10-26 17:43
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomesIckAlien (Post 1114039)
Must say I'm quietly encouraged by this if not massively overwhelmed with desire. Glad they stuck with the Poly N9 form design...that's a winner.

However I'm not convinced it'll have enough momentum to take on Android ICS...

Question is where are the Apps going to come from ?...& how quickly ? Plus .....I just can't believe they left NFC off - that's a potential gamechanger....surely there's another high-ender to come ?

Specs-wise when you factor in the price.....it looks like a loss-leader. However it won't get off the ground without the Apps.....does anyone know where these will come from ??:confused:

And...will Nokia Music work without WiFI ?

It all seems very locked - in a la Microsoft / Apple.....I don't want to be tied into SkyDrive/Bing/M$... I have my own preferences.....

And the keynote was very Microsoft & not very Nokia.....I sincerely hope Nokia isn't going to be absorbed...

Not letting my n900 go just yet.....
Go get an Nokia N9 instead of WP ****. Elop will soon get fired when they realise no one will buy his devices...

mikecomputing 2011-10-26 17:47
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raubtier (Post 1114064)
the design is nice, but why oh why:

1) is the homescreen with the tiles soooo ugly?! plus the tiles are inferior to widgets due to the small size, there is not enough space to project anything relevant.

2) are there no customizable homescreens? the n900 had the best solution with 100% fully customizable homescreens, this is what nokia should be building on.

3) is there no notification light??!

4) no windowsphone with a slideout keyboard?
If you want customizing OS, go get an N9 and if you get dissapointed by SwipeUI, I Doubt, you can install some Community edition and "Plasma Active" and then you have customized homescreens ;)

Now try the same in WP7 phone I am sorry it will not work :cool:

WP is just EPIC FAIL

Raubtier 2011-10-26 18:04
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1114105)
If you want customizing OS, go get an N9 and if you get dissapointed by SwipeUI, I Doubt, you can install some Community edition and "Plasma Active" and then you have customized homescreens ;)

Now try the same in WP7 phone I am sorry it will not work :cool:

WP is just EPIC FAIL

the n9 doesnt work for me...no keyboard, no notification light, no flash..

pusak gaoq 2011-10-26 18:08
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Lumia 800 can be pre-order in uk at £440....
cheaper that what we expected before....

here is the http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_...-news-3313.php

ziggadebo 2011-10-26 18:17
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pusak gaoq (Post 1114115)
Lumia 800 can be pre-order in uk at £440....
cheaper that what we expected before....

here is the http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_...-news-3313.php
If it was £4.40 I might consider getting one, to stop paper blowing off my desk.......

PMaff 2011-10-26 18:44
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ivlok (Post 1114076)
How ironic Lumia translates to prostitute in spanish, because Nokia certainly has whored itself out under Elop!
And this phone ain't no high price call girl either. More like $2 crack whore.
Interesting article about this here:
"Nokia's Lumia translates as 'prostitute' in Spanish"
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...ute-in-spanish



Btw. it is not hard to find:
http://www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/es-en/lumia.php

In Italian it means : lime.
lumia (n) [f.] (botanica - frutto)

lime (n) (botanica - frutto)
http://www.woxikon.com/english-italian/lumia.php


Elop will have "sour" times on the Spanish speaking markets.
;-)

strongm 2011-10-26 19:06
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1113930)
Nokia wants to recoup those millions they put to developing
MeeGo.
Perhaps they should sell it in more places, then ....

szopin 2011-10-26 19:10
Re: Nokia Lumina 710 & 800
 
Earlier today nokiaworld page had a video of the keynote, now it's broken it seems (at least on N900) anyone got a link to it?


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