Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

Where's the option "Another N900"? After all the reports of service centers not being able to repair the N900 any longer and sending other models as replacements, I bought a second new N900 this summer that I tucked away safely in case my current N900 should ever cease to function properly (I hope that doesn't happen for a LONG time yet). But when it does, I'm pulling that other, brand new one out of the box! I plan on staying with the N900 as long as is humanly possible, because I don't see anything coming down the line for a long time yet that can take its place. Unless I've somehow badly started to need 4G at that time, I can see myself still using the N900 five years from now.

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Have my new sgs2 (still with the original kernel at the moment, but it won't last :))for a week now and I must say that the op (much younger than myself I guess) will enjoy it, no doubt, it's a very good piece of work, a real smartphone, excellent screen, -very good for games and media, impecable telephony function, even the HW kb is not missing too much.......I'm not compare it with our beloved N900 because there are 2 different things, completely different ( due to the N900 of course , which is still unique in this world...)..but I'm saying that after using the sgs2 and starting to do some tweaks on it I'm not having the same sensation as I was having doing the same thing with my N900, in fact I feel dumber not smarter ! (which just may be the case in the real life ;) but that's a different kind of story...)

Anyway I just wanna say that I picked a sgs2 and not an N9 because it was about 8 time cheaper for me here in France ( yeah we'll have plenty of Lumia coming around here...)...but had the occasion to play with an N9 which (for me ) is just another sgs2, iphone or Razr ....no more waaaw reaction as it was the case with my N900...

Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

i agree with you, its the same story for me, here in Lebanon the sgs2 costs 525 $ unlocked while the n9 costs 690 $ and i love the sgs2, et les filles aiment le galaxy beaucoup plus que le n900 ;)

Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

I'm getting another N900...

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Les filles aimeront deux fois plus le N9.
:p

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marxian: It does seem like hardware keyboard is unnecessary, but have you experimented mscim/qimsys on N900 or even one of those portrait mode VKB? If its not installed right or one of those programs has a corrupted setup for VKB it completely renders VKB useless until you remove and/or re-set the offending package(s) up.

Not to mention that without a hardware keyboard there's no easy way to have numerous amounts of shortcuts such as screen dumping, starting xterminal, quitting xterminal, etc, etc, etc. Also things like game gripper will have to share the space with pure touchscreen instead of what most of the qwerty phones including N900 (handheld tablet with phone functionality) which just takes over your hardware keyboard portion. Needless to say here is also that with the game gripper for iPhones I have seen are more or less buttons stuck on the screen which is rather inconvenient if lets say you do not want you all touchscreen device to have these things stuck permanently on the screen or you having to remove them and replace them whenever you want to play a game (I'm sure over time the sticky bits on the little buttons will not stick over excessive amounts of repetitive applying/reapplying).

This is not to say that I'm a gamer myself but there's plenty more other useful features hardware keyboard offers. In times when for instance your all touchscreen based phone is extremely laggy and the little CPU widget says the CPU is maxed out. You cannot easily do other things let alone killing the offending application (which hopefully you have a hardware button bound to killing the offending process). This mere process of having to do so makes development work on N9 quite cumbersome especially when you have to run the program through gdb and when the phone freezes you cannot quickly check the logs where its breaking up. A hardware keyboard for instance will talk to the device more quickly should the touchscreen area fails to respond. Do note that in a very simple scenario, it takes the OS a lot more work to respond to touchscreen based on co-ordinates than for instance the OS responding to precise keyboard commands.

Last but not least, with N900 you get the feature of R&D which enables LED flashing based on various hardware interacting. I'm actually a fan of that and with the N9 for instance you won't be able to get something like that. This again hinders development to some extent.

On the topic of N950, yes it has gained (and still holds) very high respect due to the fact that its rare and it has the features needed for generally what a linux power user would require. Sure its not superior than N9 in some other retrospects but for developmental/scripting/advanced functionality purposes N950 literally blows N9 out of the water. I have recently spoke to joerg_rw on IRC in regards to bluetooth keyboard with N9 and I recall he said either N9 doesn't accept a wide variety of bluetooth keyboard or that it (N9) just doesn't have the necessary methods of handling external keyboard. The N9 also does not come with USB Hostmode but even if it was enabled just like in N900 later on by the community, unlike the N900, N9 will require more effort to get the hardware keyboard working because it lacks the necessary structures. Of course I'm sure unlike the N950 which tethering with external keyboard isn't something really hard.

Simply put, if N9 lacks bluetooth keyboard support it basically lacks bluetooth HID (Human Input Devices, which encompasses things like keyboards, mice, tablet) from my personal point of view. Without that is just a pure pain in the backside for when you try to get the phone to respond the way you want it without having to deal with it through the touchscreen. This to me is a huge fundamental drawback which makes me think again about whether or not should I purchase the N9.

At the end of the day I'm not a pure phone user. I bought my N900 purely because I could do things that normally a power user whom is familiar with the linux environment would do. Without hardware keyboard support let alone external hardware keyboard support is really hindering my desires to do scripting and what not whenever I want.

joerg_rw also mentioned that it maybe possible in the future to allow external keyboard support on the N9 but for now that is not possible. I can imagine it will be loads of work for one to have it fully working.

Before I forget, there's plenty of experimental/developmental toys for the power user. Most of which on the N900 are command line based these programs do not react to virtual keyboard and/or touchscreen. I can imagine that will be plenty of fun for example when one wants to run something like backupmenu by robbiethe1st with just a few hardware buttons on the side of N9 or maybe to have backupmenu loading all the necessary (and proprietary) backends needed for touchscreen support. Even worse is that it'll increase memory footprint and potentially may screw up system backups should the data involved in making it all work easily is being copied simultaneous to user interaction at the same time. Of course there are ways to circumvent it but again I'm only pointing this out as a mere example.

Wasmachinemann-NL: There's another way to look at it from another perspective. If you enabled tablet mode on N900 (thereby disabling phone functionality), can't you use that instead? I'm sure if N900 has cellular functionality disabled cannot make let alone receive calls/SMS/MMS/etc. It is similar to offline/aircraft mode (which I think is also available)

I am not trying to put you off buying N810 but N900 kills two birds in one in many ways really. For starters N900 comes with 32GB internal storage space (well actually 27GB) and that can easily be used for instance to store large amounts of media (equivalent to iPod and iPhones for instance). Then there's phone functionality for when you are not using it at school or anywhere else where it prohibits the use of cellular device (of course such instances includes being onboard a plane or in hospital).

The N900 in my opinion would be far more suited if you're demanding to play higher quality media that heavily relies on the CPU/GPU. Though at the end of the day if you still insist on purchasing N810 for whatever reasons that contradicts whatever I stated above I won't hold you back. I personally don't have N810.

As for symphonie support with N810, it might be a good idea to ask this in the N810 part of the forum as this area is mostly for N900.

N.B.: The school may prohibit the use of mobile phones but really when you think about it you can sort of get by with silent mode which will not make any noise whilst you're on school grounds (well apart from vibration based on you touching the screen and/or incoming notifications of course, which can be turned off as well). Though I'm not trying to teach you how to circumvent them but there are ways around it, even if your school is very strict on the use of such devices at the end of the day disabling cellular functionality I'm sure would make the teachers and what not happy.

Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

Nokia Lumia 800

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hahahahahah c'est vrai mon amie ......... :D mais il cout trop ....

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You're missing the point that the hardware keyboard doesn't provide these functions in MeeGo-Harmattan, hence there is little advantage in having the N950 vs N9. A hardware keyboard is useless without the software to utilise it.

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Ahh yes but when you think about it on the contrary even if there is no software to utilise it, it doesn't mean you can't bind a specific software to it. N950 would have at least 200 times more possible key combinations for various usages than what 3 measly buttons on the side of N9 can do.

Though you have to realise that there are programs such as for instance X Term which natively takes advantage of the hardware keyboard.

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harmattan ui + android = total win .....

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Well I got the N8 after tha N900, then the SGS2 and now the N9.

And the N9 is by far the best allround device Ive bought. SGS2 has its virtues, as does the N900 and even the N8, but N9 wins hands down.

SGS2 has more apps, bit better screen, larger screen.

N900 has the HW keyboard and the openness of awesomeness.

N8 has a mad camera and good free navigation.

N9 has a good camera, free navigation, great screen, good app (more every day), openness, a good VKB... In addition the UI is better than the other three imo, its physical design beats all three... All in all it just does what I want from the other 3 devices, in one device. Plus extras.

Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

OMG who are the 9 that voted the Lumia????

I'm getting a N9 Btw

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I haven't used N900 as a phone, more like a tablet or mobile computer. I already have N9 for voice calls.

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N900 is never old.. specs wise its YES but N900 aint a junkyard like android to give more n more power. it does all the stuffs like all other phones out there.. it makes me feel like i am holding a tab/lap.. And to add even more fun N900 has started to play 720p videos(hope it gets better) and record them like all other phones. it just loads all websites as that of a PC.. what do u need above this??i will be using my beloved N900 as long as it lives.. haven't thought of a phone beyond n900 :D

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You can easily see who voted by clicking on view poll results. Anyway here are the 9 users who voted for Nokia Lumia 800:
bzbnd, dee, gkanda100, oneFinn, Red_Fox, rohit.hellboy, sanchdaniel, slai, teethgrinder

Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

all what the n9 needs is abit more apps support and it could've been the best device ever made .....

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whats more surprising is that 7 voted for the iphone, apple is our number 1 enemy ..... lol :D

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I voted something else.

By the time I run out of N900's I'm hoping there will be a worthy successor.

At this point there is nothing that has the terrific combination of features and OS that the N900 has. I will know it when I see it!:D

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Now, see, this is what I don't understand. Why is Apple worse than any of the other manufacturers? All these guys are putting wonderful hardware into beautiful little containers with completely ugly restrictions as to how you can use it. If you want to do anything useful with an iPhone, you jailbreak it. If you want to do anything useful with an Android phone, you root it. I don't even know what you do with a Windows phone, but I'm sure you'd have to do something against the manufacturer's wishes. What's the difference?

The only phones in existence that allow users to actually run their own software on them (without breaking the manufacturer's rules) are the N900, the N950, and the N9. Period. (I would be happy, even ecstatic, if someone could prove me wrong about this.)

So if you're not going to choose one of those three, I say the iPhone is as good a choice as any other. It has great hardware, and if you're going to hack the machine's OS anyway, why not give it a chance?

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The apple is a wonderful hardware package....I just can't get by the lack of a memory slot, no quick change of battery and their proprietary connectivity requirements.

For my purposes these are HUGE shortcomings. Having to "jailbreak" to get functionality sucks too.

Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

Been using a combo of N8 for phone/navigation/camera duties and N900 for everything else for about a year now. I don't think I'll be changing that any time soon.

Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

...And now...let us BURN THEM ON THE CROSS!!!

great combo mate.

i'm on the same boat
N8 is sweet.

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I'm voting for N900, because there is no phone you could possibly list other then N900 that would satisfy me. My brother has Samsung Galaxy S2 (amazing phone and crazy fast), and it is nice and all, but i find myself very bored with android... all the phones are the same, no variety. Whereas when you pick up a N900 its something different. It does things that other phones can't do (I don't need to tell you about all the unique and awesome things about N900, because if you are reading this, you probably know loads about N900)... and my N900 makes me smile every time i discover something new. So for now I will keep my N900 and possibly buy another N900 after, unless something just as good surfaces but until then,I just couldn't buy another phone that would make me smile and allow me to enjoy my money well spent.

Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

n900 is on the list ;)

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i voted for the n950 because i am very satisfy from the n900, but if there is no n950 i will stay with the n900 until there is another phone with the same features (linux original not android like, hardware keyboard, fm transmiter, gps, metal body to resisting in shocks, support in the back to hold it in the side [i mean the plastic support arround the camera] multiple desktops as any linux distribution and in general the same philosophy as the n900.

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name a phone with the sweetness of N900 without lacking

xterminal
32gb + 32gb mmc
all those qwerty shortcuts
such great community support for 2 years now
carl zeiss
quad boot
fm transmitter
notification led
camera lens cover
irda

you can't replace the N900 without compromising here and there

Re: (POLL) what's you next phone after the n900
 

That's exactly why I stay with my N900. Well said buddy :)

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At least Apple isn't sending their trojan horses to take over other companies

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i have voted for the galaxy nexus, but only because it has android4, but i wont buy it because the hardware is equal/worse compared to the galaxy s2, so my next phone will be the galaxy s3 or the razr2, the one with better hardware will be mine next year.

i still like the n9, but its too expensive for a niche product, nokia screwed it for wp7... and wouldnt even think about buying a wp7 phone, wp7 is full of crap...

two examples:
wp7.5 can not send files via bluetooth.... i thought only an apple would cut important functions like this...
and, if you enter a number in the dialer or you have a missed call and you want to add the new number to your contact list, there is no "add to contacts". you have to copy the number, go to the adressbook, create a new contact and paste the number there... seriously microsoft, is this your new/better phone os?? you are kidding me!

thanks to microsoft and eflop i will never buy me a nokia phone again (and i loved nokia before eflop) :(

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I put down the Lumia. Sue me. Mostly because Im not ruling it out quite yet.

I also put down SGS2 and N8 because I got those after the N900.

Also N9, cause I love my N9. Which is the reason Im not leaping towards Lumia as we speak. And the reason I might just wait for nokias WP8-line.

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well it's easy to cut some of those
xterminal ok true.
32gb + 32gb mmc so many smartphones with that now
all those qwerty shortcuts sure but there are others with keyboards
such great community support for 2 years now well we are just a few android has better support, we are fewer but better but the number...
carl zeiss others have it too
quad boot got a point here
fm transmitter many with it too
notification led don't known if it's really a feature..
camera lens cover many have it too
irda it's great irda... there's no android that uses it. actually n900 is the most recent that has it unfortunately :( I have so much fun with it.


I just got tired of all this crap. nokia should just had lunched a full line of meego phones. I'm tired of being used and promised things and nothing. I hate this. I'll never buy a nokia product again. I sold all my nokia stocks. Sure N900 is great but even with great features it is outdated. and really.. N9? it was dead even before it's release. Give me a break. They are joking with us. It's a total disrespect towards the buyer.

I just bought an used mint condition unlocked SGS2 with warranty for 250€.
Maybe with the future tizen things will change. But about future proof it's more probable to have tizen on my SGS2 then on a N9 due to the "great" support of nokiacrap Elop and friends.

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It's sad to say that I think the N900 will be my last Nokia phone.

Unless they revive Meego, which I dont see happening.

My contract is up for renewal, and too be honest the only phone I can see that has my interest is the Samsung Galaxy Note. Mainly because it pushes the boundary between tablet/phone. I'd miss the keyboard, fm transmitter and irda, but I would gain a big screen for browsing & movies, and a pressure sensitive stylus.

But I might just take the Samsung Galaxy S2 which I've been offered as a free upgrade, flog it and keep using my N900...

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A phone as open as n900 with a keyboard...........i'm praying

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HTC G2 or a MT4GSlide

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ok time for a rant with a happy ending. i am totally fed up with nokia plus dont like android or ios much. and you couldnt give me an n9 or any other "multimedia computer" if you paid me. accidently finding n900 after a long line of nokia bricks was really interesting and rewarding due to the maemo community keeping it alive. i will stay on n900 for as long as it works thanks to you guys. after that who the heck knows? - cheers!

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I am on IPhone 4. Suits me well. Tried n9, the iPhone wanna be. Nice device, but can't compete. I understand now why elop went with windows. He did the right thing

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my n9 is arriving this week.. probably wednesday or thursday.. :) its the 64gb black btw...

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You are wrong if you say no latest devices have IRDA
just have a look at GALAXY TAB 7.7 & GALAXY TAB PLUS(7")...

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Small Tablet with support for GSM voice communication, SMS, and MMS too... & much similar to galaxy note bigger battery & SUPER AMOLED PLUS display...:)

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Personally I'm going for the Samsung Galaxy Note as:

- it hasn't HW keyboard but its size compensates for a good virtual keyboard

- it has USB OTG (I'll be able to connect my Xbox 360 controller and play with it! ^^).

- it has better support, surely it won't have a community as great as this, but I'm tired of seeing how every commercial app (not necessarily a paid app) can't be used on my N900.

- it sure doesn't have terminal and some really advanced tools as the N900 does, but, getting real, do I need such advantages in such an outdated HW as the N900 has? because yes, perhaps I can do these much things in the N900, but I don't think they're practical. Name really practical apps the N900 has that Android hasn't. Viceversa is probably easeir.

- Navigation, as good as it was on the N900 on its day, has gone amazingly slow on it. Full webpages with flash are unnavegable, and videos on the web completely unwatchable. Surfing with the Note and its 1280*800 screen should be awesome, and I think that it can also show full webpages, and it should have a PC-navigation-like as the N900 does (correct me if I'm wrong).

- You can overclock the N900, but it rarely surpasses the 900 MHz clock, which is still very outdated; and the main grudge on the phone is the incredible lack of RAM.

- FM radio on the N900 sucks. I've tried different apps for it but every one sucks anyway. I'll miss the FM transmitter though, but I don't see myself using that feature anymore (nowadays almost every car radio has a line-in or an USB-in port).

- Sure the N900 was a great communication device on its day, but nowadays no Whatsapp and other social network support makes it old. NITdroid isn't a solution as rebooting the phone and getting no voice calls isn't supposed to be how the N900 works. At least it doesn't work for me.

- We were promised video calls for N900, but Skype is way laggy and really eats the phone's CPU and battery. Video calls on the Galaxy Note work flawless.

- The mail client, microb, is laggy. I don't know if the Android client is much better but I hope so.

- Twitter support is awful. There's no useful twitter application that can run in the background and don't make your phone a mess and waaaay slower. For me the only usable app is Tweego, yet it doesn't have all the options I'd desire, like the ones on Twimgo.

- The camera ISN'T good. Really. I don't think Carl Zeiss branding or the slide cover are worth for anything. Photos are low-quality, as in every phone, and videos are awful. At least upgrading the phone I'll get better video recording for sure.

- Two of my favorite apps on the N900 that didn't exist for other phones were SeriesFinale and gPodder. Now there are clones of SeriesFinale everywhere and there are other podcast clients for Android which let you do streaming.

- While 800*480 is a good res for almost anything, it's getting old and not everything is viewable anymore. Also, document (PDF) reading and other uses aren't suited for such a small screen as the one on the N900, as good as its resolution is.

- The battery on my N900 doesn't last an entire day. Hopefully the 2500 mAh on the Note's will.


That's pretty much it, please correct me if I'm wrong in anything (I'm sure I'll be somewhere), my conclusion is that the N900 was an extraordinary phone, but it's gone old and we should move on.