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Mike Fila 2011-12-11 14:08
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
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Originally Posted by lma (Post 1136167)
Why would you think that? It's not Maemo that's being opened!
??
you were the one who suggested the possibility of running maemo in a chroot envro ...i would assume that would be on new hardware

sophocha 2011-12-11 14:18
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
I smell a legendary thread!....mark my words

lma 2011-12-11 14:34
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
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Originally Posted by Mike Fila (Post 1136209)
you were the one who suggested the possibility of running maemo in a chroot envro
I'd love that, sure, but it's not possible. Too many closed bits, plus Nokia have made it clear many times in the past they they won't allow their binaries to run on non-Nokia hardware (so even if someone managed to do it they would be wise to shut up about it).

m4r0v3r 2011-12-11 14:54
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
am thinking something along the lines of nemo mer + palm pre 3 = win

bob_bipbip 2011-12-11 21:05
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
after the fail e7-n900 exchange nokia done to me, i've bought a pre3 (e7 is too much of a failure).
now that's really awesome ....

attila77 2011-12-11 22:29
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
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Originally Posted by lma (Post 1136084)
As long as we're comparing pears to tangerines, so does my dockstar that cost not much more than that over a year ago. The N810 however lives comfortably in my pocket and lets me deal with email, IM and ssh on the go so it wins by default ;-)
The point was that it's so wastly outdated that pretty much any device made today that has a native compiler available is a better choice as far as Qt-fication goes, the only possible motivation being if you actually have an N8x0 gathering dust and too much time on your hand (and as post-Qt4.5 on Diablo never happened, apparently that's not motivating enough).

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It's much more GNU/Linux-y than Android for sure, but it was never meant to be a generic Linux platform. For running web apps along with Qt (and whatever else) ones it would make more sense to port Enyo to another Linux distribution than trying to make Qt apps coexist under the webOS UI which is more or less (ok, I'm oversimplifying a bit) a glorified web page running in a full-screen browser window.
... I would disagree on the basis of webOS' official support for SDL and OpenGL applications. If that's OK, Qt has to be OK, too.

lma 2011-12-12 00:30
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 1136343)
The point was that it's so wastly outdated that pretty much any device made today
Well, for my use cases no one has made a better device in the past 4 years so I'll keep using it as long as I can find fresh batteries to feed it.

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that has a native compiler available is a better choice as far as Qt-fication goes, the only possible motivation being if you actually have an N8x0 gathering dust and too much time on your hand (and as post-Qt4.5 on Diablo never happened, apparently that's not motivating enough).
The main demotivating factor is that Qt has such a large fs footprint that you pretty much have to clone the system to SD first before being able to do anything serious with it. The vm footprint isn't insignificant either since it has to coexist with the entire Hildon stack. Presumably, as such things tend to do, more recent versions would have grown a bit.

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... I would disagree on the basis of webOS' official support for SDL and OpenGL applications. If that's OK, Qt has to be OK, too.
Said support is mostly game-oriented and a bit limited (eg full-screen only, no integration with "platform" menus etc). If that's OK for Qt apps then sure, it should be doable.

attila77 2011-12-12 17:33
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
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Originally Posted by lma (Post 1136374)
Well, for my use cases no one has made a better device in the past 4 years so I'll keep using it as long as I can find fresh batteries to feed it.
Sure, but we've been over this, someone likes the metal lid of the 770, someone the kickstand, someone the screen... But overall it's apparently not something that manages generate enough interest to keep the ball rolling.

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The main demotivating factor is that Qt has such a large fs footprint that you pretty much have to clone the system to SD first before being able to do anything serious with it. The vm footprint isn't insignificant either since it has to coexist with the entire Hildon stack. Presumably, as such things tend to do, more recent versions would have grown a bit.
When I did my packages, I went for a trick to avoid cloning - I put the lib files into a loopfs which I conveniently kept on the FAT card. Obviously it takes a bit of effort (=(un)mounting scripts) to make such a setup robust, but still, it's not a showstopper. Memory was of course an issue, but not the bottleneck as far as I checked in the examples (unless you're going for some QtWebkit in a declarative chrome).

jayhule 2011-12-14 21:00
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
The news doesn't entirely surprise me...

Do you forget who is the head of HP's WebOS?? Our very own Ari Jaaksi, former head of Maemo at Nokia...

Kangal 2011-12-15 13:36
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
^ So true, it totally crossed my mind.

And the reason why Android 4 (ICS) doesn't totally suck is because Google has hired some staff (graphic designers) from HP (formerly Palm sector).
NOKIA wtf are you doing?

jalyst 2012-01-02 08:44
Re: HP keeping WebOS after all, making it open-source to the community
 
I hope this results in some kind of union or tight collaboration w/Tizen* (still vaporware :()
There's been rumors the same might be happening with BADA (not it's core) + Tizen.
They're not solid at all mind you. But a union with WebOS would be even better....
So long as it's all workable of course, it might create more clutter, than do any good.

*Or even Meltemi!?
But that's still a twinkle in Elop's eye, & even more vapor-ish than Tizen :(
And less likely to be as a good a fit, as Tizen.


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