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Estel 2012-01-11 16:57

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Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1148262)
and who really cares about all that when you look at the fact that amd SoCs beat intels 20+% per clock

I care, and I suppose most of people with brain care also. when You compare possibilities that You have with open parts of the system, with miserable 20% of performance (if it's real, because there is no such things as linear "better" performance in every aspect), you can put your 20% into Your | and smoke it.

To make things clear - I love many things around - for example - armel, especially performance/power usage ratio. Yet, if any manufacturer pops-up (quite unlikely to happen) with completely open (software side) SoC, I'll welcome it with warm heart, even if I would need to carry 12V car accu with me to power it.

/Estel

GrimyHR 2012-01-11 17:49

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Dont get me wrong, I care also, but in this case AMD open source drivers will get better over time, but hardvare in your intel based device won't, and I dont buy a device every two months, it must last for a couple of years, so GMA loses big time here (and amd cpu drivers have never been an issue for me and im using linux for 10 years now...)

don_falcone 2012-01-11 18:00

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Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1148932)
even if I would need to carry 12V car accu with me to power it.

This statement highly contradicts all your previous statement(s) that you basically want the N900 "to do everything in one box" and not using dedicated devices with possible better performance (as in camcorder, dedicated IR cam etc.) and their own battery.

erendorn 2012-01-11 18:02

Re: I9500 First TIZEN phone
 
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Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1148964)
Dont get me wrong, I care also, but in this case AMD open source drivers will get better over time, but hardvare in your intel based device won't, and I dont buy a device every two months, it must last for a couple of years, so GMA loses big time here (and amd cpu drivers have never been an issue for me and im using linux for 10 years now...)

Sure, but I'm sure that a medfield phone will perform better than a fusion phone, if only because it doesn't need a fan.
Seriously, there are no sign of AMD chips with a thermal envellope compatible with phone or small tablet usage, whereas there are intel ones (with, again, perf and consumption comparable to current arm chips). simple as that.

timoph 2012-01-11 18:18

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Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1147954)
X11 + GLESv2/EGL drivers for it and glibc, I would take that phone in a heartbeat if it was hackable..

Yep. Vendors: make a hackable Linux based devices and I'll buy. I have enough semi-useless locked down devices already so not going to buy those anymore.

GrimyHR 2012-01-11 21:02

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Originally Posted by erendorn (Post 1148971)
Sure, but I'm sure that a medfield phone will perform better than a fusion phone, if only because it doesn't need a fan.
Seriously, there are no sign of AMD chips with a thermal envellope compatible with phone or small tablet usage, whereas there are intel ones (with, again, perf and consumption comparable to current arm chips). simple as that.

so? we are talking about a hipotethical device, why not let my imagination go wild :P
and there is no sane person that can imagine a decent intel gpu(which is used for much more than gaming today) :P

Dave999 2012-01-11 21:08

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Demo(alpha)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1XfakU6_c

GrimyHR 2012-01-11 21:20

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"Tizen will provide a robust and flexible environment for application developers, based on HTML5 and Wholesale Applications Community (WAC). With HTML5's robust capabilities and cross platform flexibility, it is rapidly becoming the preferred development environment for mobile apps and services. The Tizen SDK and API will allow developers to use HTML5 and related web technologies to write applications that run across multiple device segments, including smartphone, tablet, smart TV, in-vehicle infotainment, and netbook."
HTML5 is mentioned here 3 times to many for me to ever even look at this OS seriously :p
where are the good old days when programers had to write everything directly in machine code...i would ban everything higher than assembler...

Estel 2012-01-11 22:37

Re: I9500 First TIZEN phone
 
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Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1148969)
This statement highly contradicts all your previous statement(s) that you basically want the N900 "to do everything in one box" and not using dedicated devices with possible better performance (as in camcorder, dedicated IR cam etc.) and their own battery.

Hey, batteries doesn't count ;) I can solder 4 Li-Pos to get 12V - or, prepare 6 sets like this and embedded them between layers of my coat/ under the hat ;)

m4r0v3r 2012-01-12 00:35

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i wonder what that home button does? hopefully it does real-time multitasking, doesnt seem like it :(

cipper 2012-01-13 11:29

Re: I9500 First TIZEN phone
 
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Originally Posted by zifis (Post 1147893)
Complete lack of originality, innovation and design...

I really don't care if it has good hardware specs (fmtransmitter would be damn great) and if it stays completely opensource. The latter assure upcoming applications of high originality and innovation.

lazart 2013-02-15 15:22

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hardware-keyboard please!!!
should we start a petition or something for that? :)

Dave999 2013-02-15 16:04

Re: I9500 First TIZEN phone?
 
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Originally Posted by lazart (Post 1323150)
hardware-keyboard please!!!
should we start a petition or something for that? :)

Don't you think it's a bit too late since they planning to show it at MWC in a few days. :D

But why not. Create one. I will support you.


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