Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Yes, it's there in the microemu too. That's gry bar works similarly than the status bar at the top, it's disappear when you swipe. Would you like to send a screenshot?

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

@DavyP

Hi DavyP this is an awesome improvement for our N900, thank you so much. Could you please integrate the S40 javax.microedition libraries to let applications like Whatsapp, Skebby and so on to start? If I try to start them they search for S40 libs but can't find them :p

In addition I've noticed that it search for PlayerListener class..

Thank you

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Not sure where you can still get this N900, but if you are able to pull
this off, I would certainly appreciate it. It would make my life easier
when debugging performance problems or other issues which are
hard to reproduce on the emulator.

I leave this decision up to you all.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Regarding the S40 libraries: I think the microemu project has an
implementation of the Nokia APIs. If it are those libraries you are
referring to, then I can have a look. If there is no open source
implementation available, then I would have to implement it from
scratch :-(

Regarding the Playerlistener class: it is a similar issue. There is
currently no JSR 135 support. I could first start with a dummy
implementation (making no noise at all), and then hook up the
interfaces to the native ones in Maemo/Qt4 ones I figured out how
multimedia playback works.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

I'll see if I can find 2nd hand N900 for a reasonable price

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Hey DavyP,

can you give me some hints, how you compiled that.
I followed some (outdated?) howtos for the n800
(http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobile...tformsNokia800)
And I can at least build the cdc binary.
But I can not get it to work to compile the midp
or other components.

regards
Nicolai

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

The compilation process is fairly complicated, and even at this point not
even a fully automated process.

The wiki you refer to provides some information on how you can
compile CDC and Foundation profile. I used the CodeSourcery
compiler for Linux ARM EABI to make those:

http://davy.preuveneers.be/phoneme/?.../10#armgnueabi

The CDC and Foundation builds you find there work OK on the
N900 without further tweaking.

However, as soon as graphics are involved you need to mess around
with the native toolkit, which on Maemo is Qt4. What I did was
customize and tweak the phoneME code so you can compile it as
library rather than as a cvm binary. I replaced some platform specific
methods with function pointers, and wrote a separate Qt4 application
which I compile with MADDE. This Qt4 app initializes these function
pointers with methods it provides. It is not straightforward in the sense
that I have to do a double compilation to build the library where in the
second compilation run I rely on the log output of the first compilation
run. I had to do something similar for Android too.

I am going to spare you the details, but if I can somehow fully automate
the build process in a script, I will also put it on my website.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

How can I run theses opera.sh script .
I always get permission denied on my N9 when trying to run opera,sh or bin/cvm

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

How can I run theses opera.sh script .
I always get permission denied on my N9 when trying to run opera.sh or bin/cvm

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

A similar error was reported before:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=32

Your scripts and the cvm did to maintain their execute permissions while unpacking. Do the following in a terminal:

chmod a+x bin/cvm
chmod a+x opera.sh
chmod a+x test.sh

etc.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

DavyP, I'm sure, that having N900 would make Your life easier in much more things, that "just" developing PhoneME ;)

I've just checked current, prices, and second-hand N900 in ideal condition can be bought (in Poland) for 250-300$ without much hassle. It seems, that it's price is getting *higher* lately...

/Estel

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

I will try to find out if I can get hold of used N900 here in India, Bangalore, should be able to get a cheap deal since not many ppl here know about our awesome N900 ..

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

ebay.co.uk currently lists a number of 2nd hand devices ranging from GBP 42 (current bind) to GBP 120 (buy-it-now price).

(More applicable to me, seems there is one on auction at bidorbuy.co.za ending tonight, current bind R970 - about GBP 80).

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

nice!
Opera mini has the best rss builtin and I've needed something like that. And it is fast (typing from here). Only thing I miss is copy paste

thanks

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

woow, thanks to those behind this development. em, how do i go about if i wanna try my own java apps? help? thanks

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

I was looking on ebay.be but there were no N900 models available.
The disadvantage with getting a model from outside the EU is that
there are other costs to consider, like import taxes and custom fees,
and VAT. This could easily be an additional 30% of the article's
original value.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Any online J2ME tutorial on developing MIDlets will help you get you started.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

just tried out one facebook chat java app and it worked like charm. buh while i tried accessin some other .jar files like mozat, winrar says the archive is not a valid .jar file. so, which other programs can help me access the meta inf folder inside a .jar app. thanks again.......

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

I just change the extension to .zip and then use the default windows extraction utility.

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Still gives d same error

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Still gives d same error

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

A JAR file is a renamed zip archive, with the java classes for the program inside.

If the file won't open with a Zip manager, it is likely the file is corrupt. You may need to download it again

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Test post from unstable build, uploaded photo succeeded from OM6.5

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

As far as I know, opera mini works through Opera servers, which is why it can render lots of things properly - the mini jar java part just has to display the graphics from the Opera servers...

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

This is only partially true. Opera indeed does some compression
on the servers to reduce the amount communication and
computation on your handheld. However, with Opera Mini 6.5 you
can render the pages using the monospace font that is included in
the build.

Also, if you would for example develop midlets with the LWUIT or
J2ME Polish GUI library, then you can use their built-in support to
do the text rendering. These libraries render their own GUI
widgets and text on top of the J2ME GameCanvas class and come
with their own custom font support.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Yes it is N9 specific I believe. You can see other screenshots here:

http://beford.org/ole/

I asked on the #harmattan IRC channel and somebody told me it was required to change the application type to MApplication.

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Thanks for the screenshots and the MApplication suggestion. However, it seems I will need to install an additional SDK (Qt SDK
1.2?) to use MApplication.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Hi DavyP, thanks for this great program :)

i was trying some apps and games and the first game that it works is pacman, but i have a problem with the screen resolution, it looks really small:

http://www.subeimagenes.com/thumb/sc...950-165379.png Subido en SubeImagenes.com

Can i change the resolution changing something from the sh file?

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Technically, I think it is possible to render the midlet on a 400x240
or 266x160 canvas (rather than 800x480), and then have Qt
scale up the resolution by a factor of 2 or 3. However, this is not
implemented, so I am afraid there is currently no support for
that.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

At least with the last CSSU update, i am able to zoom in using ctrl+shift+s.

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

I got opera.sh working and all other tests was successful.
I has the grey bar issue on my N9 .
Opera mini can display vietnamese font. How can I change the font on Opera Mini ?
I'm trying to get other jar file working

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

i think we missed some features like

copy/paste option from the OS<->JVM
the JSR implementation.. this is too important for a valid JVM

but u made a great START with Phoneme i hope we can enjoy jsr support. ;) thx for your WORK!

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

Could anyone give the one from this page a try:
http://www.vbl.ch/getdoc/02801f6e-93...anleitung.aspx

I'm getting some weird errors, for files I don't even see inside the jar, perhaps I'm not looking in the right place/way..?
BTW I took the touchscreen (3rd) version.

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

I installed Qt SDK 1.2 that got released a couple of days ago.
I changed QApplication to MApplication, and linked against the
meegotouchcore library, but the grey bar is still there in the
N9 emulator (i.e. I see no difference with the Maemo build running on N9).

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

I am working on a build that replaces the current font subsystem
which uses a builtin monospace bitmap font (with limited
character set) to render text.

My latest 'unstable' snapshot now uses the default font on Maemo
and supports more text styles and sizes. The text rendering looks
much better, but rendering speed has become slower. I figured
as much on the emulator, and [DarkGUNMAN] confirmed the
performance hit on a real device too. However, should you care
trying the latest snapshot yourself, you can find them over here:

http://davy.preuveneers.be/phoneme/p...n900/unstable/

The most recent build is on top.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

I just gave one of the midlets at the above url a try, and I too get
errors about missing png images and text files that don't exist in
the jar file.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

The original phoneME implementation does not come with copy
paste support. Copying text in a midlet and pasting it to another
Maemo application is technically pretty hard (because you cannot
select text in a textfield or textbox). The other way around might
be possible by trapping the Ctrl+V key combination, looking which
text has been copied from elsewhere, and replaying this text as if
you would have entered the text manually.

I am well aware JSR support is limited. There are a bunch of
JSRs out there that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, there
aren't that many JSR implementations available as open source.
The only ones that Sun/Oracle have made available are those
that they 'own'. Have a look over here:

https://svn.java.net/svn/phoneme~svn/components/

Also, some of the JSRs you find there don't compile well or need
detailed knowledge about the underlying platform so you can port
these JSRs to a new device. This ain't easy, especially with just
the emulator at hand. I am aware of projects like microemu and
MIDPath. However, they have the luxury of being able to exploit
all the features of a full Java SE environment. Many of their
components would not work on a Java ME environment.

Right now, I just have JSR 172 and JSR 75 (with some minor
issues). Based on my experiences with porting for Windows
Mobile and Android, I think JSR 179 (Location API) and audio
playback with JSR 135 are doable given enough time and effort.
However, I am not sure if the Madde emulator can handle all
these features so that I would be able to test this. Things like 3D
support with JSR 184 are out of the question.

Davy

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

you're right... I have seen here in the talk tha someone has done something with the Openlapi and jsr 179.. To get working gps location antenna, by the way, the only possibility to get "partial" jsr support then can be using the jsr179? :( will be good having sound working :( i think the ctrl + v / ctrl + x / ctrl + c can be good for this powerfull jvm becouse some applets have a different input method and during the emulation you have no way to paste/insert caracters in the text field Thx for your detailed answer and for the support with phoneme!

edit: i attached a sshot about the font and window of phoneme, i'm using your last versione the one with font changes.. but i see it in this way i mean big font size respetc to the layout

Re: [TESTING] PhoneME Advanced (Java Mobile) prototype release
 

The text does not seem to be well-aligned in your screenshot. This is what I have:

http://davy.preuveneers.be/phoneme/p...roemu-demo.jpg

http://davy.preuveneers.be/phoneme/p...emo/opera2.jpg

About audio support: I cannot seem to produce any sound with the emulator, not even with the built-in 'play-sound' application or the Qt4 qmusicplayer example application. I am guessing QSound in Qt4 is not properly supported for audio playback :-(

/home/developer $ play-sound testmp3.mp3
socket(): Address family not supported by protocol
ca_context_open: Not available

About GPS: Yes, JSR 179 would provide the unifying API to get location information. Any location provider could be plugged into JSR 179, but GPS is quite likely the most important one.

I am aware of OpenLAPI. That is the implementation I used to support JSR 179 on my Android port. The only thing I need to figure out is how to get the GPS data natively on the N900 and how to activate and deactivate GPS programmatically, etc.

Davy