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ibrakalifa 2012-02-12 03:26
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
N9 need flash plugin, thats its!!!

drvar 2012-02-12 11:34
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Law applied for all countries wich are in European Union. Same goes to 2 years warranty for electronic devices...

tigas 2012-02-13 01:58
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
And just to clarify: it does not mean that Nokia is obliged to add software updates and capabilities for two years. Just that for the next two years, they have to acknowledge that the N9 exists and have parts to repair it.

Since the N9 is no longer manufactured and Nokia is not shipping them to the channel, I'll bet that in six months Nokia would "forget" they ever did an N9. Who's willing to bet that we'll get PR1.4 at the most, and updates will stop after that?

Crypto 2012-02-13 02:01
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeebra (Post 1162906)
it is the best Nokia phone on the market. thanks for your consideration btw.

My dream is not the N9, but the N950 v2.
I agree. I own the N900 and N9.. Keyboard FTW!

Dead1nside 2012-02-13 03:28
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
With their change of plan, granted, releasing the N9 at all was actually more than I expected. However, I do wish they would've released the N950 as it is most probably the one I would have picked out of the two.

I still get buzzed watching this leaked teaser for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlJgr7AJW-U

jalyst 2012-02-13 11:15
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tigas (Post 1164239)
And just to clarify: it does not mean that Nokia is obliged to add software updates and capabilities for two years. Just that for the next two years, they have to acknowledge that the N9 exists and have parts to repair it.

Since the N9 is no longer manufactured and Nokia is not shipping them to the channel, I'll bet that in six months Nokia would "forget" they ever did an N9. Who's willing to bet that we'll get PR1.4 at the most, and updates will stop after that?
What are you talking about?
The N9 is still manufactured, the N950 isn't, is that what you're referring to?
They did say several times last year that they'll support it till 2015.
And that there will be numerous major & minor updates for "years to come".
They weren't specific about how many major & minor updates.
But naturally it's too hard to predict that far ahead...
It was stated several times from staff members at various levels, inc Elop at one point.
CBF'd digging it all up, but my memory is fine....
Maybe a lot of it is in the epic "N9 it's finally here" thread...

jcdr 2012-02-13 12:25
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeebra (Post 1162906)
it is the best Nokia phone on the market. thanks for your consideration btw.

My dream is not the N9, but the N950 v2.
I second that.

marxian 2012-02-13 12:43
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qorax (Post 1163611)
Guess it must have been a slow news day at MNB.

tigas 2012-02-13 14:47
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1164369)
What are you talking about?
The N9 is still manufactured, the N950 isn't, is that what you're referring to?
They did say several times last year that they'll support it till 2015.
And that there will be numerous major & minor updates for "years to come".
They weren't specific about how many major & minor updates.
But naturally it's too hard to predict that far ahead...
It was stated several times from staff members at various levels, inc Elop at one point.
CBF'd digging it all up, but my memory is fine....
Maybe a lot of it is in the epic "N9 it's finally here" thread...
You may have better information than me, but AFAIK, N9 stocks are disappearing from stores, and they have a hard time getting new

mscion 2012-02-13 16:35
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
I think that the N9 or N950 have no chance of becoming the Nokia flagship that carries Admirial Elop. That has been reserved for Windows which may be a "titanic" mistake. The N9 and N950 have turned into little life rafts that were thrown off the "burning platform" to carry a few developers and real linux lovers. But supplies may be running short here. A major shipbuilder, Samsung, has provided some speedy jet boats via the Note and Galaxy II to play around with but one can still get a sinking feeling at times as android linux can be a letdown. Still others bravely cling on to the edge of a still bouyant N900, but their hands are getting cold and lifeless as they begin to loose grip and are swallowed into the vast cold sea of google devices.

jalyst 2012-02-13 16:49
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tigas (Post 1164455)
You may have better information than me, but AFAIK, N9 stocks are disappearing from stores, and they have a hard time getting new
There's 20-odd countries it's in.....
There's no way anyone could know what the stock levels are like in every country.
Here in Australia it's still readily available...

Although it has been dropped by some telcos, & I imagine the rest will drop it in the coming wks/mths.
Especially since Nokia's started it's Lumia program here now, & is doing it's best to make them visible.
(not actually here yet, but is announced, & has been pushed quite hard for some time already)

But that doesn't mean the N9 won't continue to be available with retailers & specialist importers.
This was much the same situation for the N900 for a loooong time.
It will reduce the uptake of course, as more people buy phones on contract here than outright.
That's not the same for every country though.

Grazy 2012-02-13 17:01
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by balisingh (Post 1163019)
i didnt say it, but a hardware keyboard is so handy when driving. VKBs require too much focus and error prone. i been considering the E7 after getting the N9, but evrytime i watch a youtube video of symbian web browsing, i run and have circular thoughts of owning tha n950 :rolleyes:
off to youtube to see if someone posted some belle videos on e7.
When driving! really? I don't know where you live but here in the UK it's illegal to drive and text/phone people anyway and for a good reason! it's dangerous!

are you that important that you can't just pull over?

sulu 2012-02-13 17:08
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1164496)
[..]
That post just made me seasick!
Hand me a WP to puke on - hurry!

qorax 2012-02-13 18:32
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grazy (Post 1164505)
When driving! really? I don't know where you live but here in the UK it's illegal to drive and text/phone people anyway and for a good reason! it's dangerous!

are you that important that you can't just pull over?
Yes.
And it's the same everywhere in the globe.

qorax 2012-02-13 18:37
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tigas (Post 1164455)
You may have better information than me, but AFAIK, N9 stocks are disappearing from stores, and they have a hard time getting new
That's so very true [sic!].

qorax 2012-02-13 18:38
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1164496)
I think that the N9 or N950 have no chance of becoming the Nokia flagship that carries Admirial Elop. That has been reserved for Windows which may be a "titanic" mistake. The N9 and N950 have turned into little life rafts that were thrown off the "burning platform" to carry a few developers and real linux lovers. But supplies may be running short here. A major shipbuilder, Samsung, has provided some speedy jet boats via the Note and Galaxy II to play around with but one can still get a sinking feeling at times as android linux can be a letdown. Still others bravely cling on to the edge of a still bouyant N900, but their hands are getting cold and lifeless as they begin to loose grip and are swallowed into the vast cold sea of google devices.
Applause!
Very well written buddy.

panjgoori 2012-02-13 18:59
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
i think the amazing everyday title suits better with N900 than Lumia phones. we can do anything with N900, use at as a remote controller, hack wifi networks, crack wifi passwords, run 4+ OS's and modify it the way you want. still many more things that you can't even think to do with Lumia phones.

THE AMAZING EVERYDAY-NOKIA N900

Roger-1 2012-02-13 19:00
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qorax (Post 1164534)
Yes.
And it's the same everywhere in the globe.
No,not here in sweden.:(

don_falcone 2012-02-13 19:21
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Nokia takes Malaysia by storm with Lumia launch

:rolleyes:

qorax 2012-02-13 22:21
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger-1 (Post 1164551)
No,not here in sweden.:(
Yes, I got that, now.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6466/carcrashp.jpg

However, they should. Probably they might soon too. Freedom comes with great responsibility... unfortunately, for some, it might be too late... or never !

Qorax
Sweden: Texting whilst driving - Dangerous or not?

qorax 2012-02-13 22:25
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1164564)
If only they did that to our N9s!

marxian 2012-02-13 22:42
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Lumia Takes UK By Storm

There was much excitement as the UK's WP followers gathered at an exclusive location to celebrate the launch of the Nokia Lumia 800. The venue was packed, and there was not even a free Xbox 360 in sight. Microsoft supremo Steve Ballmer did try to make an appearance, but was ejected from the venue due to excessive sweat odour.

http://www.iainjennings.co.uk/page20.../phone-box.jpg

jalyst 2012-02-14 08:34
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qorax (Post 1164535)
That's so very true [sic!].
Nope it's purely anecdotal.....
In one spot it could be disappearing, while at the same in another it could be reappearing.
It would be disappearing from many telcos/resellers, but I doubt it'd be rapidly disappearing from retailers anytime soon.
As I said, it's impossible to make the sweeping claim he was, w/o better info. anyway...

jalyst 2012-02-14 08:37
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1164669)
Lumia Takes UK By Storm
LOL thanks or that, gave me a good chuckle, needed one! :)

pycage 2012-02-14 19:33
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qorax (Post 1164659)
If only they did that to our N9s!
They did something like that for the N9 in Pakistan and UAE, AFAIK.

SamGan 2012-02-16 00:59
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
WP7 continue to lose market share in 2011. It declined from 3.4% in 2010 to a mere 1.9% in 2011 despite Nokia's entry. It is behind Bada, an almost invisible os.

source: http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/15/g...oid-smartphone

SamGan 2012-02-16 01:04
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1164564)
Really? It was a pretty low key affair actually compared to the iphone 4 and 4S launches. In Malaysia WP7 has a tiny market share. Lumia 800 will be sold with Nokia Purity HD headphone and MS Office 2010 thrown in for free. A popular phone won't need such incentives to attract buyers.

ibrakalifa 2012-02-16 01:30
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
come to indonesia and you can easily find N9 in store, :)

robotnO 2012-02-16 07:49
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger-1 (Post 1164551)
No,not here in sweden.:(
Second that..

don_falcone 2012-02-16 07:52
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1165611)
Really? It was a pretty low key affair actually compared to the iphone 4 and 4S launches. In Malaysia WP7 has a tiny market share. Lumia 800 will be sold with Nokia Purity HD headphone and MS Office 2010 thrown in for free. A popular phone won't need such incentives to attract buyers.
I don't know, i was just "oh my..." when i read that propaganda "thumps up" article provided by one of the well-known (not for quality content) Mobile Nations sites.

rfa 2012-02-16 08:59
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
I Think the N9 is being "sold through" ; that is not replaced when stock is sold. I Think that's fine; as those interested in PURCHASING have done do - those still on contact may not have been quite so fortunate, though they still have had ample opportunity to purchase.

My wife CAN use my N9 without frustration, whereas this was impossible with my N900 : compared to Lumia 710 / 800 which she used yesterday with no problem.

& then said "I'm getting one of these, it's easier to use than your phone & I like the back, home & browser buttons". Then she said "and it's got a proper button for the camera".

Perhaps Meego isn't ready & WP is the way forward FOR THE MASS MARKET. Not us, we're here on an OS specific forum.

SamGan 2012-02-16 10:24
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Here's a hard hitting article from Tomi Ahonen.

To quote some juicy parts:
Quote:
Nokia's Annus Horribilis was a self-induced wound. Not a wound. A self-induced serial crippling. Yes, a year of torture by the CEO. A year of water-boarding in fact. A year ago Nokia grew by 48% and made a proft. This year as the industry grew 62% Nokia sales crashed 23% and produced massive losses. Nokia's market share in 2010 was 34%. By Q4 it was just above 12%. Nokia had scared away 65% of its customer base in just one year! We witnessed the establishment of a world record in market share destruction - not only in telecoms but in all industries. Stephen Elop will go into the Business Hall of Shame as the all-time costliest CEO.
Quote:
But yes, what of that wonderful promised 'third ecosystem' fantasy by delusion-boy Elop? There were some who thought Microsoft plus Nokia would be a sure winner. There were others who felt that partnership was a case of two turkeys who will not make an eagle. It was sheer speculation until we got to see the Lumia launch...And Nokia threw the biggest marketing push for this smartphone series, ever. And on top of that, Microsoft came in and threw hundreds of millions of dollars more in marketing support - including giving away free Xbox 360 videogaming consoles to buyers of the Lumia800 for example in the UK. How many sales did Nokia do of all Lumia phones in Q4? More than 6.4 million? No. Not even close. 600,000 is what Nokia managed. Literally they managed only one tenth the level they did a year ago (when adjusted for industry growth in the past year). That is utterly horrid performance and the signs were all there. The Lumia is not succeeding, and will not succeed. Anyone who hopes or thinks or expects that Lumia and Microsoft can rescue Nokia, has now facts - it will not. The Lumia launch is a total dud.
Quote:
There is a ray of hope, it is called the N9 and MeeGo (And the N950 and other MeeGo devices either designed or otherwise MeeGo compatible like the N900). MeeGo outsold Lumia by 3 to 1 (more about MeeGo below). But Nokia's psycopathic CEO refuses to let the highly desirable N9 to be sold in Nokia's major markets - to the degree in Germany the biggest newsmagazine, Der Stern actually recommended to its readers to drive to Austria or Switzerland to go buy the N9 rather than Lumia smartphones. And bizarrely he refuses to sell the sister device, the N950 anywhere! Highly desirable 'hit' phones are very rare in this industry and Nokia dearly could use one right now. Only a fool as CEO refuses to sell a hot product globally. Only a fool. As long as Elop is in charge, Nokia is continuing its death-dance and has to sell its best assets just to survive.

mariusmssj 2012-02-16 15:13
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Elop is on purpose dropping the share price of Nokia so it could then be later bought by Microsoft!

Same happened with many many companies and skype is just another example, for those who didn't know skype is not owned by microsoft.

So nokia shares will keep dropping until M$ decides to buy Nokia!

qorax 2012-02-16 20:08
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1165741)
Here's a hard hitting article from Tomi Ahonen.

There is a ray of hope, it is called the N9 and MeeGo (And the N950 and other MeeGo devices either designed or otherwise MeeGo compatible like the N900). MeeGo outsold Lumia by 3 to 1 (more about MeeGo below). But Nokia's psycopathic CEO refuses to let the highly desirable N9 to be sold in Nokia's major markets - to the degree in Germany the biggest newsmagazine, Der Stern actually recommended to its readers to drive to Austria or Switzerland to go buy the N9 rather than Lumia smartphones. And bizarrely he refuses to sell the sister device, the N950 anywhere! Highly desirable 'hit' phones are very rare in this industry and Nokia dearly could use one right now. Only a fool as CEO refuses to sell a hot product globally. Only a fool. As long as Elop is in charge, Nokia is continuing its death-dance and has to sell its best assets just to survive.

To quote some juicy parts:
Thanx for the share, Sam.

So, so very true... It's in fact a 'death-sentence' decreed by one's own head-of-the-family... how horrendous & stupefying that could be!

vivmak 2012-02-16 20:26
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Nokia should just flatten ( I mean slim) a bit and broaden (I mean bigger screen) n900 with all the hardware features kept but improved for higher speed. Have a Harmattan UI on it.

jakiman 2012-02-16 20:39
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vivmak (Post 1165950)
Nokia should just flatten ( I mean slim) a bit and broaden (I mean bigger screen) n900 with all the hardware features kept but improved for higher speed. Have a Harmattan UI on it.
They already did this with the N950 but they decided to not release it.

ibrakalifa 2012-02-17 01:33
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 1165955)
They already did this with the N950 but they decided to not release it.
give that N950 dualcore things inside, and welcome back nokia, :D

vdx29 2012-02-17 01:45
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Wake up, Shareholders.

Wake up...and smell the ashes.

eerde 2012-02-17 01:46
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Some more people who agree :)

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9202508.htm
http://www.news24.com/Sci...ant-communicator-20120216

Dan_F 2012-02-17 08:01
Re: nokia should wake up and use N9 as flagship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1165741)
Here's a hard hitting article from Tomi Ahonen.

To quote some juicy parts:
C'mon guys. The sales numbers are nothing but a pure fantasy. Actually it's showing up, that there were just 600 000 of N9 shipped (and I'm not sure if it means the same as sold), so no, MeeGo didn't outsold WP 3:1. With such a low sale numbers it's quite possible, that the WP outsold N9, and yeah, it's possible, that it was 3:1, but for WP7. Of course you can say, that it was not launched on lot of markets, but take a look at the local community. Everyone who wanted that phone, even if it was not on sale at their markets, they bought it from other place. Sad story bro's, but it seems that there's no place for a awesome devices like N9. The "average mass" is always bellow average and wants average or bellow average products (and apps my god, they love that stupid apps, which are nothing but a stupid excuse for having a dumb OS without good system level integrated equipment). O. K., back to work, I need to earn some extra money for the spare N9 :)


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