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xxxxts 2012-03-04 01:23

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Who cares how open it is if it is SO BEHIND THE CURVE in terms of cellular technology? No maps program that even comes, very little use of the front camera, no speech recognition, spell check, a decent map application, these are not new concepts - these are things that are a must in modern day mobile phones.

#1 The N900 is not 100% open source, not even close, anyone who claims that to be true is a liar.
#2 We cannot program these things mentioned above into the operating system, because those parts of the OS are CLOSED.

So in reality - who cares how "open it is" - I am more concerned with what it can and can't do. My N900 can't do a lot of things an iPhone 4S or Android phone can. To flip the question - what can my N900 do that an iPhone 4S or Android cannot? True Linux OS with root access? Cool!

Now what can't a Jailbroken iPhone 4s or "rooted" Android do that the N900 can?

If anything I am a Nokia fanboy - I had the 1st gen iPhone, returned it in a few days. Set up a few Android tablets for my friends, but I am just being a realist.

slashd0t 2012-03-04 16:13

Sounds like the 4s is the phone for you.. Why not? It's an awesome phone...

Copernicus 2012-03-04 16:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1173866)
Who cares how open it is if it is SO BEHIND THE CURVE in terms of cellular technology? No maps program that even comes, very little use of the front camera, no speech recognition, spell check, a decent map application, these are not new concepts - these are things that are a must in modern day mobile phones.

Let me rephrase that for you: these things are a must in handheld multimedia toys. Every last item you just mentioned has Absolutely Nothing to do with cellular technology.

Why don't you just get a high-end tablet? It'll do all the things you want, far better than any cell phone, and you can still use your existing cell phone for making calls. (You know, the thing that actually does use cellular technology...)

jleholeho 2012-03-04 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by slashd0t (Post 1174202)
Sounds like the 4s is the phone for you.. Why not? It's an awesome phone...

I`d say let`s stop moaning about what iPhone 4s can or can`t do and whether it is or it is not some best stuff available...compared to my N9 it`s a boring, (though pretty much works as intended, I`m admitting), i-depending toy...

2 things: iPhone 4s is a damn OVERPRICED machine, unable to do some simple things like USB mass storage or BT File Transfer (of course it can do this, but you need another damn iPhone)
also, the design is kinda ageing, a 3.5 inch display is just small...and I`m not saying the 3.9 in on N9 is something hilarious, but it just all feels a lot better when you`re holding the two in your hands...

finally, AFAIK, there`s no available OS providing a true lifetime-free voice navigation, except the Nokia` s....it may sound like a gimmick, but for me it`s a crucial thing as I travel a lot across EU but my provider gives me unlimited data plan only within SVK...with Nokia Maps and Drive, it just works...

and yes, I do think the iPhone 5 is expected to be a "real bomb", both SW-wise and design-wise, but I`m laughing at that 1000 USD price tag just now...it`s ridiculous in my opinion, to give such a damn money for a mobile phone...
I paid some 160 EUR for my new, unlocked N9...

anonymous 2012-03-04 17:20

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Well, we do have a fart app now. I don't see what the big deal is.

specc 2012-03-04 17:25

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1173866)
Who cares how open it is if it is SO BEHIND THE CURVE in terms of cellular technology? No maps program that even comes, very little use of the front camera, no speech recognition, spell check, a decent map application, these are not new concepts - these are things that are a must in modern day mobile phones.

#1 The N900 is not 100% open source, not even close, anyone who claims that to be true is a liar.
#2 We cannot program these things mentioned above into the operating system, because those parts of the OS are CLOSED.

So in reality - who cares how "open it is" - I am more concerned with what it can and can't do. My N900 can't do a lot of things an iPhone 4S or Android phone can. To flip the question - what can my N900 do that an iPhone 4S or Android cannot? True Linux OS with root access? Cool!

Now what can't a Jailbroken iPhone 4s or "rooted" Android do that the N900 can?

If anything I am a Nokia fanboy - I had the 1st gen iPhone, returned it in a few days. Set up a few Android tablets for my friends, but I am just being a realist.

Well well well. I don't care at all, but if you want something different get the 808 PureView (if you can) or an N8. They are both rather "old school" Nokia with HW features (usb2go, HDMI, FM RX/TX etc and of course Camera + real satnav) you simply don't find anywhere else.

Othervise there is only one alternative, the SGSII. One more actually, the G Note.

Either way, the iPhone, SGSII/Note and N8/808 are firmly placed on each corner. They cannot be compared IMO. Then you could also get a Lumia, 800 or 900. Supersmooth phones, so they say. And the N9 is also there.

I don't understand the iPhone is an alternative at all. Whenever I hold one and use one, I just feel disgusted. Realistically my next phone will be a Lumia 800/900. I may end up disliking it, I don't know, but I'm not overly excited over my N9 either. There will be nothing like the N900 ever again, might as well get used to it.

Cue 2012-03-04 17:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1174237)
Well well well. I don't care at all, but if you want something different get the 808 PureView (if you can) or an N8. They are both rather "old school" Nokia with HW features (usb2go, HDMI, FM RX/TX etc and of course Camera + real satnav) you simply don't find anywhere else.

Othervise there is only one alternative, the SGSII. One more actually, the G Note.

Either way, the iPhone, SGSII/Note and N8/808 are firmly placed on each corner. They cannot be compared IMO. Then you could also get a Lumia, 800 or 900. Supersmooth phones, so they say. And the N9 is also there.

I don't understand the iPhone is an alternative at all. Whenever I hold one and use one, I just feel disgusted. Realistically my next phone will be a Lumia 800/900. I may end up disliking it, I don't know, but I'm not overly excited over my N9 either. There will be nothing like the N900 ever again, might as well get used to it.

Lumia is just as bad as an iphone if you ask me. Think about it, what is actually less disgusting about the Lumia? Same closed system but even less apps and even less capable out of the box.

Capt'n Corrupt 2012-03-04 18:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1173636)
nokia 808
best camera
best gpu
best smartphone os
best dsp

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you lose all of your credibility in a single post...

Roger-1 2012-03-04 18:53

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Itīs funny,first everybody whining over mr.elop then you recommend him to buy a N9!.My first phone was a nokia1011 and i have stuck with nokia ever since but now just how they treat their customers especially the meamo and meego community i will never buy another nokia ever! i hope they go bankruptcy because of their stupidity,my self i have moved on to android BUT! i will never sell my n900 and i will always follow this community. :D

specc 2012-03-04 21:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1174251)
Lumia is just as bad as an iphone if you ask me. Think about it, what is actually less disgusting about the Lumia? Same closed system but even less apps and even less capable out of the box.

I have tried the iPhone, can't stand it. I have never tried the Lumia, not really, other than hold it in my hand.

But "out of the box". What does that really mean today in this post- N900 age? The N9 "out of the box" is nothing special. Very few apps, a slowish UI, pauses when launching apps, poor e-mail, poor facebook app. The N900 "out of the box" was so much more, even though it got nothing of the sleekness of the N9. For me the N8 gives the best "out of the box" experience of all devices today.

But maybe you are right, maybe the Lumia is no better than the iPhone. But I have to find out the hard way.

anonymous 2012-03-04 21:54

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
I'm kind of in the same boat. Just got back from a vacation and a long drive, which I used waze on my n900 a lot. I highly recommend this app/service. Not GPS so much, but crowdsourced speed trap reporting!

Unfortunately, it fell off the dash a few times and now I have the dreaded "loose USB". I'm totally up for fixing it but I still feel I should probably move on.

Webos is beautiful, but withering. No point.

I really wanted harmattan, but the mixed feelings on this board, the lack of a price drop or change in availability, the fact that I have to pay for it unsubsidized, and while the community is optimistic, it isn't as active as I would have hoped. It's really just a splinter group of n900 developers.

Iphones are pretty useful as long as you stay withing boundaries. And you don't care about dropped calls. They're pretty, but they're also fragile.

Androids are a mixed bag. They usually have the latest stuff, but are lacking somewhere else. It's a crapshoot. You are going to inevitably hate your phone within a year or two and that was the plan all along. Go buy a new one, see you again next year when you're sick of this one.

I don't really know anything about wp7 and hate elop's decisions, I even hate the entire idea of .Net as a language. But I'll be damned if I don't still give kudos to Nokia on build quality. I may hate wp7 for as long as I own it, but at least the thing won't break...ever. It's either wp7 or Symbian for me, really.

In short, I think I will get the 900 when it is released. Flame on.

jleholeho 2012-03-05 23:04

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
I`d suggest to wait for the new Nokia WP 8/Apollo high-ends, most likely with quad-core processors and PureView cameras...I guess that really could be something, as Windows 8 for PCs certainly doesn`t look bad and these phones should be "the most seamless transition" between the phone and a PC so far...
they should be announced in late 2012...

That read and said, I can easily stick with my N9 for another year...

xxxxts 2012-03-06 11:39

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http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/IPhone_3GS_vs_Nokia_N900

This was the data when the N900 came out. The N900 was one of the top phones on the market.

Put the N9 or any other Nokia phone up against an iPhone 4S and its drawbacks become significant. Same if you line it up with a competitor Android phone.

Nokia's fall from grace is quite obvious.

You guys might talk about "open OS" - but it's not. And the 808, that's a phone built around a camera.

Since 2005 I have only owned Nokias (except for a brief period when I got a 1st gen iPhone for 4 days and then returned it), and I have been very proud of that. However, Nokia is now just putting out outdated junk, and they won't even sell it to North America!

don_falcone 2012-03-06 12:21

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Let's face the fact that maybe you have either shifted your priorities + use cases or had different ones from the start.

PS.: North America is a mediocre / not-that-important market, and a 'shark pool' anyways. No sane company would put all it's eggs into that carrier-messed up basket only.

nicholes 2012-03-06 12:22

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i am also in seek of something new now! i think i should go for galaxy note.

i would get it if it has....
open ssh
app like smscon
backup menu
evil alarm
H-E-N
xterminal
emulatores(ie ps2.sega genesis)
vnc viwer
and root access and how is multitasking on galaxy note?

can anyone confirm for me? or i am posting in wrong forum?

gregoranderson 2012-03-06 12:38

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Interestingly, I just grabbed ZTE Skate (Orange Monte Carlo) from Argos for Ģ80. My old ZTE Blade is going to the wife to use as an access point, so I needed a cheeky backup device for when the N900 is in haitus (i.e. being fannied around with).

It's actually really nice. The CM9 port is going well and the CM7 port is pretty bloody rapid considering such low HW spec. The screen is magnificent. Both are in active development over on Modaco.

In short, there's no chance I'll ever piss a good couple of hundred quid away on an HTC / Samsung device etc when I can pick up an Android toy for that sort of money.

Good fun and worth the beer money.

ibrakalifa 2012-03-06 12:43

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can we upgrading the hardware of n900, just give it more ram, and its will be so awesomeeeee, :D

SaQ 2012-03-06 13:14

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
N9:

- Open Source
- Lot of hacks and more to come
- Nokia apps + third party apps
- Soon dual boot android = LOTS OF APPS
- Soon overclockable (like N900)
- Swipe UI, Rated world's best smartphone UI

- Apparently the Nokia N9 clad in polycarbonate for Antenna performance, is indeed top of the chart

- Inception for n9 (FULL ROOT ACCESS!!) -->> Fully open OS!
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82835


Iphone:

- Closed Source
- no hacks (Maybe jailbreaking, you can do same thing in nokia by going "settings/security/developers mode", and switch it on. Simple!)
- Only apps what apple wants.
- Iphone antenna: "you holding it wrong" XD
- Winter Can Mess With Your iPhone Warranty


List could go forewer -->

xxxxts 2012-03-06 15:41

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaQ (Post 1175167)
N9:

- Open Source Root access does not mean it is open source, most of Maemo was closed sourced, even more of MeeGo is
- Lot of hacks and more to come I got the N900 when it was first released, it took up a year to get the screen to rotate, an it is still buggy/crashes
- Nokia apps + third party apps I got the N900 when it was first released, fMobi was the only Facebook app released for it and it did not compare to it's iPhone/Android rivals.
- Soon dual boot android = LOTS OF APPS NITDroid is not even able to make a phone call yet with a lot of development on the N900 - I would not hold your breath.
- Soon overclockable (like N900) Can do same on iPhone, only iPhone HW is better; http://youtu.be/7PpC5ywRSgU
- Swipe UI, Rated world's best smartphone UI By who?

- Apparently the Nokia N9 clad in polycarbonate for Antenna performance, is indeed top of the chart It sure does look pretty

- Inception for n9 (FULL ROOT ACCESS!!) -->> Fully open OS!
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82835 How is this different than jailbreaking an iPhone?

Iphone:

- Closed Source Same as most of MeeGo/Maemo 5
- no hacks (Maybe jailbreaking, you can do same thing in nokia by going "settings/security/developers mode", and switch it on. Simple!) You're right it is simple.
- Only apps what apple wants. Unless you Jailbreak it, then you can put any app you want on there.
- Iphone antenna: "you holding it wrong" XD I cannot comment on this as I do not know
- Winter Can Mess With Your iPhone Warranty Warranty? I live in California (which is in North America) - Nokia won't give em a warranty with the N9 PERIOD


List could go forewer -->

You have not made one valid point. I could have a better job.

Well your data is just wrong and I will debunk it above it red.

I bought the N900 when it first came out, crushed every other phone with it's specs (resolution, camera with dual LED flash, etc.) it had Flash, Nokia PROMISED us Flash 10.1 (never happened) - we got 4 updates from Nokia then Nokia jumped ship. We all went into Maemo knowing it was a developers OS and I was okay with that, still am. However I am not going to jump into something with a DEAD OS (that is just stupid).

You have faith, faith by definition is believing in something without any proof. I don't do that well simply, because I am not an idiot. I don't know one rational person here that says they ever had faith in Nokia/large corporations supporting the N900/Maemo/MeeGo/N9 etc. So not only do I lack faith in Nokia - I am quite skeptical of what they say now.

nicholes 2012-03-06 16:25

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looks like no one is interested in my question

Larswad 2012-03-06 16:48

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Just out of curiosity, I want to ask xxxxts what it is more precisely with the n900 that doesn't cut it anymore. Ok, I understand the specs alright, well, at least the cpu is getting a little outdated (think the gpu part is still pretty strong though!).
But if you are the person that doesn't care whether the phone (urrhm, tablet) is somewhat thicker I can't see what it is that you're missing in the n900.
I will stick to my n900 because there is nothing out there that has a linux based OS that is as close to the real thing as the n900. The ssh client and ssh daemon are full featured and the shell feels like the real thing with python, perl, debian packaging and all that good stuff.

For me I gotta say, I have just bought the asus transformer prime tablet, its a droid and after a couple of weeks I have to say that in no way near android feels as good as the n900. Its not real linux I gotta tell you, its just the kernel in the bottom, all else above feels completely alien to me.
I have seen a few physical keyboards also, and they all feel like crap in comparison to the n900.
Look at all the other nice plus'es to brag with that you've got;
Stereo speakers, a table-stand, customizable status led, integrated skype (all other skype "apps" I've seen is a joke).
You got REAL multitasking. You got Qt for development.
Up to 10 desktops. Widgets who are so customizable that they can look like just almost anything (not like the blocky boring iCrap icons).

What the hell? What more could anyone want. There's just nothing out there that cuts it if you take the n900 as a baseline.

xxxxts 2012-03-06 17:51

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nicholes (Post 1175286)
looks like no one is interested in my question

Make your own thread, don't thread jack.:mad:

ibrakalifa 2012-03-06 18:05

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
everybody have their own need and choice, for me i will choose N900 1st, then other for alternative, if N9 prices got lower i will go for n9, for now n9 is unavailable in my country, damn thats suck!!

xxxxts 2012-03-06 18:11

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1175299)
Just out of curiosity, I want to ask xxxxts what it is more precisely with the n900 that doesn't cut it anymore. Ok, I understand the specs alright, well, at least the cpu is getting a little outdated (think the gpu part is still pretty strong though!).
But if you are the person that doesn't care whether the phone (urrhm, tablet) is somewhat thicker I can't see what it is that you're missing in the n900.
I will stick to my n900 because there is nothing out there that has a linux based OS that is as close to the real thing as the n900. The ssh client and ssh daemon are full featured and the shell feels like the real thing with python, perl, debian packaging and all that good stuff.

For me I gotta say, I have just bought the asus transformer prime tablet, its a droid and after a couple of weeks I have to say that in no way near android feels as good as the n900. Its not real linux I gotta tell you, its just the kernel in the bottom, all else above feels completely alien to me.
I have seen a few physical keyboards also, and they all feel like crap in comparison to the n900.
Look at all the other nice plus'es to brag with that you've got;
Stereo speakers, a table-stand, customizable status led, integrated skype (all other skype "apps" I've seen is a joke).
You got REAL multitasking. You got Qt for development.
Up to 10 desktops. Widgets who are so customizable that they can look like just almost anything (not like the blocky boring iCrap icons).

What the hell? What more could anyone want. There's just nothing out there that cuts it if you take the n900 as a baseline.

#1 I am on AT&T, without 850 the speeds are very poor.
#2 From the moment I open the camera shutter to the camera application fully opening and ready is around 8 seconds.
#3 No new applications are being developed for Maemo 5, fMobi is most likely one of the best applications on N900 for Facebook and it does not even come close to competing with it's iOS/Android competitors.
#4 I don't have the most BASIC of things, for example: SPELL CHECK. Word had that back in the 1990s! What about voice recognition? Decent navigation?

It just isn't cutting it. I am not one of those guys who likes to have all the newest stuff and neatest stuff. But don't try to tell me that I am doing just fine when I am a poor speller and I see my friends texting with spell check or using voice recognition, or navigation that tells me what the traffic is like. I can go on for a while.

The hardware needs updating and so does the software, apparently Nokia's idea of that was the N9 which is a joke (they obviously agree).

I just wish Nokia would step up and make a phone that actually competes again (like the N900 did with the iPhone 3GS) hardware wise and put the same effort into the software. When I got the N900 Nokia was the #1 phone manufacture in the world, RIM was #2, Apple was #3 - I doubt Nokia is #1 anymore and there is a reason for that.

SaQ 2012-03-06 20:38

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1175362)
#1 I am on AT&T, without 850 the speeds are very poor.
#2 From the moment I open the camera shutter to the camera application fully opening and ready is around 8 seconds.
#3 No new applications are being developed for Maemo 5, fMobi is most likely one of the best applications on N900 for Facebook and it does not even come close to competing with it's iOS/Android competitors.
#4 I don't have the most BASIC of things, for example: SPELL CHECK. Word had that back in the 1990s! What about voice recognition? Decent navigation?

1# It is true that N900 doesn't have support for 850mhz 3g network, but N9 on the other hand does. Fortunately where I live, we have 900 mhz network.
2# From the moment I open the camera shutter on MY N900 it takes roughly 2 seconds to fully load the camera application.
3# That might be the case when it comes to Nokia, but these phones rely hardly on 3rd-party applications. Ovi Suite in N900 is just a big pile of junk in my opinion. If you fancy a great application for Facebook then this is not your phone.

N900 and N9 is not meant for mainstream like iCrap and Android ones.

Just out of curiosity, for what would you possibly use voice recognition in N900? Since it takes about 2 secs to type in the name of who do you want to call it would render voice recognition just about useless since N900 has this great keyboard. Oh, and if you would use it for starting applications I would hardly recommend placing shortcuts to the home screen, in one of the 8? you can possibly have in N900.

N900 supports flash out-of-the-box and N9 with the help of Ovi store and Firefox browser. I'm not sure if iPhones had a flash support? Yes, I know flash is to be deprecated but that will not happen in a few years.

N900 is evidently by far the most easy overclockable phone in the world.

When it comes to hacking with a phone, Nokia wins again.

Larswad 2012-03-06 22:01

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Ok, thanks. I realize that we are different kinds of users in a way. None of your four points are important to me. I'm not on AT&T (Sweden), I don't need any quick access to a mobile camera, I don't use facebook at all (not even registered since I don't want to sell my private life or data anywhere on the net). It does have spellchecking in SMS and email, even if it's somewhat simple. I don't need speech recognition to my device because that stuff is usually limited in function and works very poor anyway. Never seen anyone anywhere actually use it. For navigation I use Mobile Maps 10 which is more than good enough.

I do agree the N900 is getting old, but as far as I can see there's no alternative for the software developer type of guy. It does its thing for me and its more than good enough. In fact, my boss switched his N900 for a droid. I have urged him to keep his N900 in case something happens to mine. I will buy it from him in such case.

iCrap is not even on my map. I don't even see that stuff, I'm totally blind to that dumbed down religious junk.


But of course I understand and respect your own point of view on it and it was all I asked for.

I honestly hope you find something that will replace your N900. Maybe you should go for the N9 after all. As I see it, it might actually fit your needs. Its a strong competitor, and after all its the last good stuff from Nokia before that company went insane.

xxxxts 2012-03-07 00:14

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Okay guys lets just be honest with ourselves and each other here for a second... I think we all basically want these major things out of our mobile device:

-The ability to do the most stuff
-The ability to get that stuff done the fastest and efficiently

User interfaces and customization is a far second to those two things

The N900 is not able to play with the new stuff, the N9 isn't either. It's simple. Android 4.0 looks promising and there is a possibility with iOS6 that widgets and things of that nature will come about (since lets be honest, Apple just steals ideas).

The iPhone 3GS is able to run iOS5, that alone tops PR 1.2 that we got from Nokia, it even tops all the hard working guys that released CSSU (which I am very thankful for).

As of right now I don't know what Android devices will be upgradable to Android 4.0 but that is a lot more support than Nokia has shown any of us.

So the main argument here is a purist argument, everyone wants the closets thing they can get to Linux on a mobile device with as much openness as possible. What good is any of that if you are not able to do the things you want to do on your device/do them slowly?

Nuuskis 2012-03-07 01:55

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Yet again, N900 is not any mainstream phone. I also don't follow you on your statement "The N900 is not able to play with the new stuff, the N9 isn't either". Could you make an example of what N900 does not handle? What is this so called "new stuff", games maybe?

No, it does not play Full HD videos and 720p is just about watchable, but like that would do any difference on that 3.5" screen.

It is understandable that mainstreamers do not like the N900. But power users do, and they really do. There is no phone up to this date that has full support for aircrack-ng including monitor mode and packet injection other than N900, With N9 we are getting there. Yes, there are some videos on youtube cracking wireless keys with iPhone but they are merely sample packages containing enough IV's to successful crack. There are no monitor mode in those things not to mention packet injection and in my opinion there never will. That was just one example of N900's uniqueness.

One really cool thing about N900 is that it has fully working FM-transmitter. And keyboard that over rules any on-screen keyboard. Period

Overclocking capabilites of N900 are still bleeding edge. In addition to CPU overclocking you can also overclock DSP (Digital Signal Processor) that affects video playback performance under most circumstances. Also, it is possible to change voltage settings.

N900 also does great job in tethering. This is something I use everyday. Also there is large variety of pentest tools for N900 that I use quite often. Yet again a property for power users like me.

If we continue being honest, most apps for Android and iOS are just a pile of crap that may amuse you for 15 minutes. When it comes to iPhone, it certainly does not do "the most stuff", not even close. It may do "some stuff" efficiently and that is just about it.

I have never complained about N900 being slow doing the tasks I hand for it nor I never will because I know this phone is unique and has a place in my heart for the rest of my life.

Now it is time to end this manifest and get some beer. Maybe even play some Bounce and Snake with this splendorous peace of electronics.

Larswad 2012-03-07 08:07

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Nuuskis, I couldn't agree with you more, you hit the spot!
Especially I can agree that most apps for Android and iOS are just a pile of worthless crap with ads or pricetags sticked to them, they indeed ARE. On android I have not yet seen a good alternative to a terminal with ssh and scp support and believe me I have checked them all. Even if it existed a good terminal I wouldn't have any support for python or perl where I can whenever I want do some small script for a specific task.
You can with minor effort port a linux application directly to maemo, and it just work. Can't see the like of that anywhere.
The n900 is in fact a portable COMPUTER with a phone feature.
The rest of the market are just dumb "smart phones", whatever they are supposed to be, I don't know. People are carrying around dumbed down phones with colorful iconsets.

Frappacino 2012-03-07 09:02

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
some of you guys have so much tunnel vision.... lars i am laughing so much at your last post right now...

how about this... i open the door and let some light into your dark little world....

... how do you access mobile services from a third party provider with the n900 ? i trade shares/fx - how do I do that on the n900 ? no broker has release a trading platform for maemo. You expect me to use a clunky web interface (lolers) ?

or internet banking - how do I do that on the n900 ? do i have to use the website and squint on that little screen to click links ? example here in Australia we have ANZ goMoney app - i can do most of my banking on the bus and do stuff like pay to mobile...

or what happens if I need to open and edit business documents ? you want me to load up open office ? lol

most of my friends are on whatsapp - what do i do with the n900 ? make them move back to msn ? yea the majority should accomodate the minority...

do i need to mention games ? or good navigation ? list goes on and on....

the only thing that n900 offer is pure linux functionality and multitasking - thats it. just because there is alot of **** on the android/ios markets does not mean that its all ****... talk about focusing on a strawman.

From a functionality PoV (who really gives a SH1t about FOSS outside of the fanatics?) the n900 is in the stone age. The "dumb smart phones" have everyday functionality that normal ppl actually use. you know, the ppl you actually see out there walking on the street.

But hey whatever floats your boat.

i honestly am not sure if some of you guys are serious about what you type or you just pulling my leg... lololol some of you guys are so out of touch... no wonder FOSS mobile never gets anywhere if it is ppl like you who drive it...

szopin 2012-03-07 09:28

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
So... skipping butthurt, we're back at apps. NITDroid is an option if your bank only provides apps for some platform (same for broker apps... do people really use them? with all the Carrier IQ and fb/twitter apps breaking trust and stealing your contacts info etc, you really trade on such platforms? good for you I guess, insider trading got a new meaning). My bank's website actually works in only few mobile browsers, fully on N900.
Games, see above or get some webOS games, work flawlessly.
OpenOffice - bad? Then edit some xls files using crippled 'office' apps on iOS/Android, and I mean not just alter few numbers, macros/functions/pivot tables, you know, actual work. Good luck.

herpderp 2012-03-07 10:07

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1175712)
On android I have not yet seen a good alternative to a terminal with ssh and scp support and believe me I have checked them all.

Tried https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...x.spartacuside ?

It even has sshd and git, and a lot more.

herpderp 2012-03-07 10:12

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 1175736)
some of you guys have so much tunnel vision.... lars i am laughing so much at your last post right now...

this is the reason I come here! I very rarely turn my n900 on, been using Android for the past year (can't complain).

These people here are the very pure essence of fanboyism, I enjoy reading their endless praises of a device/company. They're so out of touch it's really entertaining to read them!

Larswad 2012-03-07 10:27

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by herpderp (Post 1175762)
Tried https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...x.spartacuside ?

It even has sshd and git, and a lot more.

Yes, it was the best attempt I found. But ssh lacks compression with a lot of other features and there is no scp. X11 we can just forget. Guess scp could be added, but then I read in on how to port simple Linux tools to android. Man, its not even worth that amount trouble.

herpderp 2012-03-07 10:33

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1175776)
Yes, it was the best attempt I found. But ssh lacks compression with a lot of other features and there is no scp. X11 we can just forget. Guess scp could be added, but then I read in on how to port simple Linux tools to android. Man, its not even worth that amount trouble.

Then it's probably the best for you. But stop trying to convince people who made up their mind to use something else. It's not good enough for them, and your reasonings and finding obscure stuff that doesn't work on other platforms really just make you look silly.

By the way X server implementations for Android exist too, you just have to look.

Larswad 2012-03-07 11:01

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
"These people here are the very pure essence of fanboyism."

I can agree I am very passionate about the n900, it does all the things I want it to, and to me in a great way.
But for "fanboyism" you better have a look at the iNerds, they are very good at that. Being out of touch is their specialty. They are behaving way more extreme than the maemo people (I'd say the maemo community is more like a linux/unix community in general, rather than phone fanatics).

People can buy whatever they want, whatever concept suits them best. I don't really care that much, its their money spent, but for my purposes I know that there is nothing around that can handle the things that the n900 do. I have searched for an alternative but I'm rather sad to see that there is nothing on the market like this anymore.

Frapp.. :

I can't see the problems with the things you mention. The difference is that you are probably the type of person that's more locked in on commercial alternatives (personally I don't trade any shares using my phone so I have no idea about that). There are also plenty better alternatives to whatsapp, but if you and your friend are locked into that and that is you medium, well then I guess n900 is not for you. Maybe we are just people with different ideology and search for different things.

I can do banking just fine with the browser, and I don't find it clunky at all so I don't know what you mean there, maybe you bank is clunky.

For office like applications I use "Word to go"/"Sheet to go"/"Slideshow to go" suite and it works just fine, yes its commercial but don't come say there are no alternatives on the n900.

There is really nothing wrong with free and open source projects. Its hard to find arguments why anyone would see that in a negative sense. When it comes to tablet and phone product development, you more than well should know that there are other things causing problems than just the fact that it is free and open software.

Larswad 2012-03-07 11:15

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by herpderp (Post 1175781)
Then it's probably the best for you. But stop trying to convince people who made up their mind to use something else. It's not good enough for them, and your reasonings and finding obscure stuff that doesn't work on other platforms really just make you look silly.

By the way X server implementations for Android exist too, you just have to look.

But, you didn't get it. I pointed out the differences between the mainstream "smartphones" and the n900 as I see them. The argument from the OP was that the n900 doesn't cope with things anymore and I just don't agree there, not from where I am standing. If he wants help to find something else, he better have a clear idea what it is that he expects from the successor to the n900 (that obviously the n900 would be far too weak to handle).

If you find the things I mention to be obscure (to me they are absolutely great and necessary things to have) then probably you are a completely different user than I am, like I've pointed out before.

EDIT: BTW, people writing that they are laughing and in general writing with a condescending tone, labeling people "fanboys", THAT really makes you look silly.

EDIT2: X Server with X11 ssh forwarding? Yeah, right!

Hurrian 2012-03-07 11:44

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
@xxxxts

Your use case has dramatically changed, then.

The N900, was a developer's platform - what other phone is out there, that has a hardware keyboard, works acceptably as a normal phone and can boot any ARM Linux distro you can find?
It's a geek's toy, clearly not aimed at the John S. Smith consumer.
And as you may have noticed, it is quite rough around the edges.
And yes, I will parade around the word: COMMUNITY COMMUNITY COMMUNITY. It's the one thing the N900 can still rely on these days. Same for the N9. It sucks, but Nokia doesn't seem too keen on making a Harmattan HE for the N900 like the NITs before it.

Oh, and before the N900, Nokia has had a history with pump-and-dumping Maemo users. Especially regarding the whole opennness thing. And the PowerVR MBX driver thingy.

And post-N900 (aka N9) - it's stillborn. Period. Nokia will probably cease updates after PR1.2 or PR1.3.
Had lots of potential though. What a waste.

Android, is well, Android. As long as you don't buy from Moto and HTC, and stick to flagship phones (hint: these cost the same price as Nokia flagships), you bet it'll stick on XDA for years.
The difference is just in the hardware, really.
It's pretty easy to use, and for aforementioned (modern) flagship devices, only massive autists care about the lag.

iOS devices are plain, simple things.
They work well enough to be a phone, and a platform for casual games (Infinity Blade is a b***h on a 3.5" screen)
However, doing serious geek things on them is a pain. Yes, I've tried. Yes, I've jailbroken all iOS devices in my house (wanna see them side by side with my N900?). The VKB takes up almost half the screen, and is tuned for daily typing, so any sort of CLI admin work is a real PITA.
(P.S.: The overclock video you showed was basically turning off power management. That's like "kernel-config limits 1150 1150")

tl;dr: Nokia does things half-baked (but lets 1337 users bake the other half if they wanted), iOS devices spoonfeed the user, Android devices are kind of a middle ground, given the right hardware and community.

Nuuskis 2012-03-07 11:58

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
@Frappacino

And you expect to edit those "business documents" with that crappy on-board keyboard. Give me a break. Open Office maybe little slow, but hey, it does it's job and doest it better than any mobile application available.

@Hurrian

Like I said before, N900 is not any mainstrem phone, but a geek-phone with some neat and unique features. Thank for your post.

ibrakalifa 2012-03-07 12:11

Re: New Phone Help... I can't do it any longer...
 
no more maemo, no more maemo, maybe someday android or maybe tizen give us something like on our N900?, no offense, :)


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