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qgil 2012-05-04 21:48

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Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1198805)
No info for athens :P

From the National Library of Greece to the National bank of Greece the app says that it's just a 2' walk. If I want to shop in "Greece is for Lovers" then I have to take Tram 2 until Akropoli (bear with my skills reading Greek characters) and then walk 5 minutes.

qgil 2012-05-04 21:55

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Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1198835)
One would expect Montreal to be amongst the few... yet I was wrong.
Y NO MTL?! :@

To go from Rue Berri to Avenue Casgrain you walk 8 minutes till Jean-Talon, take Ligne 2 - Orange until Crémazie and then walk 7 mins more.

qgil 2012-05-04 21:59

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Originally Posted by _Routser (Post 1198899)
Seems like a great app, hopefully they'll add more cities like the pop-up said when I opened it and noticed it didn´t support Tampere.

Hum, it says that from Rautatieasema to Nokia offices in Kulma-Sarvis you have to walk 28 minutes and no public transport option is given. That might be true since whenever I had to go there I indeed did that (nice) walk or I took a taxi. :)

qgil 2012-05-04 22:00

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Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1198909)
am in the Uk i'll try it out

edit: they dont have my city, fairly useless to me then lol

Where do you live? Let's test! :)

qgil 2012-05-04 22:10

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Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1201442)
indonesia? Hmmm okay, maybe 3years again its will be added, lol

According, to the app... It seems that from Pengangkutan Penumpang to Stasiun Jakarta Kota you need to start with a long 19m walk, then at Klender take Bekasi until Jatinegara, change to Kota-Jatigenara until Stasiun Jakarta Kota.

PS: alright, as you see I like to know about public transport in cities ;) Please continue with the testing and try to find out why so many users say they could find about their cities when it seems to be there (how complete and accurate I don't know).

Win7Mac 2012-05-04 22:26

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no timetables AND no transport information whatsoever.

PS: test what exactly?

qwazix 2012-05-04 22:29

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maybe because I just got a big fat message stating we haven't got any info anoit Athens right now, please check back later just after launching the app?

If I search subsequently for a route it seems to work ok

no buses though... And that's the difficult part. Metro and tram stations are easily memorized

alephito 2012-05-04 23:03

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Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1202045)
maybe because I just got a big fat message stating we haven't got any info anoit Athens right now, please check back later just after launching the app?

If I search subsequently for a route it seems to work ok

The same happens to me in Buenos Aires, Argentina, but when it calculates the route only gives walking time.

I do not know why Buenos Aires is listed in http://betalabs.nokia.com/node/52654?req=true

qgil 2012-05-04 23:04

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Originally Posted by Win7Mac (Post 1202043)
no timetables AND no transport information whatsoever.

PS: test what exactly?

I got transport information from Hamburg, see my previous post from Hauptbahnhof to Lindenstrasse. Again, no idea how complete it is. Can you tell here a route from a street to another street in Hamburg, and the results you got? I'll try the same combination and see what happens.

Lumiaman 2012-05-04 23:13

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1201428)
Did you check the page?



Simple routing information is available for plenty more locations in all continents - see http://betalabs.nokia.com/node/52654?req=true

The same app is also available for Windows Phone.

No Washington DC????

Lumiaman 2012-05-04 23:15

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Houston doesn't have public transportation. That is a joke

alephito 2012-05-04 23:51

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Originally Posted by alephito (Post 1202049)
The same happens to me in Buenos Aires, Argentina, but when it calculates the route only gives walking time.

I do not know why Buenos Aires is listed in http://betalabs.nokia.com/node/52654?req=true

After further testing, I can confirm that Buenos Aires has train and subway information (without time tables).

With buses information it could be really useful.

One problem I find is that the app does not show where the stations are. You have to ask someone having a map and GPS in your hand.

TMavica 2012-05-05 00:29

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hong kong is not available for that

Watchmaker 2012-05-05 00:29

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1202050)
I got transport information from Hamburg, see my previous post from Hauptbahnhof to Lindenstrasse. Again, no idea how complete it is. Can you tell here a route from a street to another street in Hamburg, and the results you got? I'll try the same combination and see what happens.

Try asking from Via Mecenate, Milan to Piazza del Duomo, Milan. There is tram line 27 that directly connects the two, but the app tells me I have to walk for 1:40h :P

Win7Mac 2012-05-05 12:11

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alephito: After further testing, I can confirm that Buenos Aires has train and subway information (without time tables).
Now works here in Hamburg too. Didn't do anything different than yesterday... :confused:

But no buses and stations around are shown.

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One problem I find is that the app does not show where the stations are. You have to ask someone having a map and GPS in your hand.
Just tap on that little map-symbol next to the station and nokia maps opens up.

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With buses information it could be really useful.
Indeed...

alephito 2012-05-05 16:18

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Originally Posted by Win7Mac (Post 1202192)
Just tap on that little map-symbol next to the station and nokia maps opens up.

I only have that little symbol for my starting point and destination point. Not for intermediate points.

jalyst 2012-05-05 17:09

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 1202041)
According, to the app... It seems that from Pengangkutan Penumpang to Stasiun Jakarta Kota you need to start with a long 19m walk, then at Klender take Bekasi until Jatinegara, change to Kota-Jatigenara until Stasiun Jakarta Kota.

PS: alright, as you see I like to know about public transport in cities ;) Please continue with the testing and try to find out why so many users say they could find about their cities when it seems to be there (how complete and accurate I don't know).

The main page explains that there's still MANY cities* that don't yet have time-table info. in the back-end.
http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia...t-for-nokia-n9
There is simple routing info. for a much larger sub-set of cities, perhaps that's what's confusing you.

*especially ones where the N9/S^3 is generally more prevalent.

lenaye 2012-05-08 10:39

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Originally Posted by Watchmaker (Post 1201826)
I see my city (Milan, Italy) in the aforementioned list, but every time I try to calculate a route I always get an error saying that my area is not covered...

For cities in that above list, the app returns Simple Routing, which means "...Simple routing uses the map data to calculate a heuristic route, based on the likely frequency of lines". In other words, if you go to http://maps.nokia.com/45.4755859,9.2...0,0,normal.day and click on the Bus icon to show the public transport on the maps you'll see tram/train lines.

This means, you'll be able to find routes on these lines on the app. Please see attached. Of course, if the map contains more transport services, like bus, ferries then these will be available as well.

The routes returned are not ideal or the most optimal, since the app can only work on the data it gets from maps, rather than using the data from the transit agency.

Please try again, and can you give us the details of the places you tried on the app?

lenaye 2012-05-08 11:05

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1202053)
Houston doesn't have public transportation. That is a joke

Houston is a supported city. Can you try again? Which routes did you try the first time?

Watchmaker 2012-05-08 12:17

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Originally Posted by lenaye (Post 1203434)
For cities in that above list, the app returns Simple Routing, which means "...Simple routing uses the map data to calculate a heuristic route, based on the likely frequency of lines". In other words, if you go to http://maps.nokia.com/45.4755859,9.2...0,0,normal.day and click on the Bus icon to show the public transport on the maps you'll see tram/train lines.

This means, you'll be able to find routes on these lines on the app. Please see attached. Of course, if the map contains more transport services, like bus, ferries then these will be available as well.

The routes returned are not ideal or the most optimal, since the app can only work on the data it gets from maps, rather than using the data from the transit agency.

Please try again, and can you give us the details of the places you tried on the app?

This is what i get when trying to plan a route from Via Marco Bruto, Milan to Piazza del Duomo, Milan:
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5...ag12132006.pnghttp://img29.imageshack.us/img29/645...ag12132014.png

And this is the same route calculated on the official site of the public transport company of Milan. As you can see, there is tram line n°27 that directly connects the two.

If you also try to search, let's say, from Viale Corsica, Milan, to Piazza del Duomo, Milan (which is where you'd get walking along the rails of line 27 for some 10 minutes from Via Marco Bruto) you should also get some more option (not as direct as taking the 27, but for example bus line 73 from Viale Corsica to Piazza San Babila, and then walk for less than 5 minutes to Piazza del Duomo is a viable option).


The same can be said when planning a route from Via Mac Mahon, Milan to Piazzale Piola, Milan. Nokia Transport app says I have to walk like forever, this is what it should tell me.

My hypotesis is that the app only knows about subway lines, which is clearly insufficient for Milan: we only have 3 of them, and they hardly cover half of the city. I should also add that in the case of the aforementioned route from Mac Mahon to Piola, the second half of the route is made by subway line 2, but the app doesn't even tell me "Walk from Via Mac Mahon to Lanza, then take subway line 2 from Lanza to Piola" which is crazy, but better than walking all along.

Watchmaker 2012-05-08 12:28

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Mmm... the odd thing is that planning the aforementioned route (from Via Mac Mahon, 20155 Milano, Italia to Piazzale Gabrio Piola, 20131 Milano, Italia on Nokia Maps website gives the correct results...

EDIT:
Ahahahahah! This is funny too... guess who's providing map data to Milan Public Transport company for the route planning app on their website!

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1...aziendatra.png

Watchmaker 2012-05-09 12:45

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Today I had the chance to try the same routes I was talking about in mt previous posts on my mother's symbian phone, and they worked just like on Nokia Maps website. So this is an Harmattan-exclusive problem. :(

qgil 2012-05-11 15:35

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Originally Posted by Watchmaker (Post 1203481)
This is what i get when trying to plan a route from Via Marco Bruto, Milan to Piazza del Duomo,

I can reproduce this with N9. Nokia Maps website gets it right: http://nok.it/4wJ9L

Lumiaman 2012-05-11 17:14

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Originally Posted by lenaye (Post 1203446)
Houston is a supported city. Can you try again? Which routes did you try the first time?

My point was that Houston SHOULD NOT be on this app. Of all US cities with public transportation, Houston has the least. Washington DC is not supported, oh my!!

Sazpaimon 2012-05-11 19:46

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I had to stop using this app for Philadelphia. The timetables were wrong and it was giving me connections that simply did not exist. I don't know if this is Nokia's fault or SEPTA's. Thankfully GApp is more stable now so I can just use Google transit directions, but still..

On a side note, I really don't see why Nokia can't just parse the GTFS data of these transit agencies.

lenaye 2012-05-14 16:14

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Originally Posted by Sazpaimon (Post 1205430)
I had to stop using this app for Philadelphia. The timetables were wrong and it was giving me connections that simply did not exist. I don't know if this is Nokia's fault or SEPTA's. Thankfully GApp is more stable now so I can just use Google transit directions, but still..

Can you give some examples of the routes you tried which gave you wrong information? The source data for this city has just been updated today, so please give it one more try on the app and let me know if you're still seeing problems.

Cheers

Sazpaimon 2012-05-14 16:48

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Originally Posted by lenaye (Post 1206602)
Can you give some examples of the routes you tried which gave you wrong information? The source data for this city has just been updated today, so please give it one more try on the app and let me know if you're still seeing problems.

Cheers

I did some test routes from my house to my work (Bustleton Ave to Gwynedd Valley, SEPTA R5 station), and compared the timetables to nextsepta.com (which regularly updates GTFS data) as well as Google Maps, and it looks like it's up to date, now. And you also seem to have the night trains added (a problem I've noticed with SEPTA's APIs). I'll be out late tonight so I'll give it a shot and see if it works and get back to you.

P.S. Any hope of getting SEPTA routes colorized like Google Maps has?

Sazpaimon 2012-05-15 02:08

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So I tried it again tonight, and while it had the correct times, the routing was all wrong. It wanted me to take a route that would add 30 minutes to my journey. I don't think it realizes that that you can walk from the Fern Rock train station to the bus terminal with ease (its like maybe 500 feet) so it instead opts to have you stay on the train for a longer transfer.

If you wanna try it yourself, the route I took was Ambler train station to Bustleton and, let's say Haldeman. The time was 9:00 PM. If you try it in google Maps you'll see it transfer from Fern Rock TC to route 70. Nokia public transit doesn't see that.

EDIT: Just checked Nokia's desktop maps site, and it confirmed my suspicion: http://nok.it/PqMTv ... FYI, you can NOT go East from the Fern Rock train station, you can ONLY go west onto Nedro Ave. I don't know if this is a public transit issue or a general mapping issue (and thus probably not related to the NPT team), but I figured I'd pass it along.

lenaye 2012-05-15 10:40

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Originally Posted by Sazpaimon (Post 1206807)
So I tried it again tonight, and while it had the correct times, the routing was all wrong. It wanted me to take a route that would add 30 minutes to my journey. I don't think it realizes that that you can walk from the Fern Rock train station to the bus terminal with ease (its like maybe 500 feet) so it instead opts to have you stay on the train for a longer transfer.

If you wanna try it yourself, the route I took was Ambler train station to Bustleton and, let's say Haldeman. The time was 9:00 PM. If you try it in google Maps you'll see it transfer from Fern Rock TC to route 70. Nokia public transit doesn't see that.

EDIT: Just checked Nokia's desktop maps site, and it confirmed my suspicion: http://nok.it/PqMTv ... FYI, you can NOT go East from the Fern Rock train station, you can ONLY go west onto Nedro Ave. I don't know if this is a public transit issue or a general mapping issue (and thus probably not related to the NPT team), but I figured I'd pass it along.

Thanks for the detailed report. We'll look into this and get back to you. If it turns out to be an error in our routing data then expect to have the data refresh in a couple of weeks time. Cheers

chrisp7 2012-05-15 15:40

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The N9's GPS is UNBELIEVABLY frustrating, sometimes it takes around 10 minutes for a lock, others, 1 minute, you never know how long. This is killing the N9 and any geo apps. So disappointing.

Arie 2012-05-15 17:58

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Originally Posted by chrisp7 (Post 1207032)
The N9's GPS is UNBELIEVABLY frustrating, sometimes it takes around 10 minutes for a lock, others, 1 minute, you never know how long. This is killing the N9 and any geo apps. So disappointing.

Turn off power saving mode.

Used Nokia Public Transport in Washington DC a week back, it worked flawlessly.
Thank you Nokia.

bennypr0fane 2012-05-15 19:14

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Originally Posted by ajalkane (Post 1198859)
Eh well, if only the public transports would use a common API to get the timetables all this could be manageable.

It's impossible to support every variant reliably. Ultimately I think it's the rigidity and "change resistance" in state offices preventing something like this working.

In short, I don't think it's Nokia's, or Googles or Apples (or an singular OS manufacturer's) fault as such if it doesn't work in one region or not... These things need a common API to scale globally.

Google already had this real nicely integrated into Google Maps. Back then I used it in the Smybian-native app on my E65, it was really sweet. I tried it in Vienna for all unfamiliar routes through the city, and 2 out of 3 times it showed a more convenient way than I'd have thoguht of.
Then the feature was silently removed from GMaps never to return. It was high time someone brought this back into mobile navi applications...

lenaye 2012-05-16 08:54

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1198820)
The fact that US has very few cities with effective mass transit, the included list can't be that intensive for US cities.

Actually, there are people who use public transport in US cities, as this report shows: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...transportation
and the app has coverage for most of these US cities.

Personally, my brother lives in Chicago and he uses the public transport on a daily basis, even though he and his wife have 2 cars, but sadly he's an iPhone user, and I can't do anything about that. :-)

shinogami 2013-06-13 08:50

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So, out of nowhere, this app stopped working for me. It no longer loads routes. Is it just me? If this is intentional, the N9 will certainly be the last Nokia product I ever bought..

edit. it's not just me

So much for support until at least 2015 as was promised..

kurana 2015-02-07 19:10

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"Transport nearby" dont work for me anymore in Berlin-Brandenburg. I get for all stops "No departures within 1 hr". Anyone can confirm this?

youFailed 2015-03-11 06:14

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From where i can download this app? Someone can help me?

Nvm, found it: https://openrepos.net/content/chenli...blic-transport


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