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sillieidiot 2012-05-03 09:29
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
looks ok. and to me it's more like an N900 than the N950.

Sniper_swe 2012-05-03 09:42
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slaapliedje (Post 1201041)
Has anyone tried to contact the creator of the slide out keyboards and asked if they'd attempt to make one for the N9? I bet they'd sell a ton of them just from this crowd alone!

(I really dreamt of getting an N950 since I saw them, even tried really hard to come up with some ideas for developing for one, but 'won' one... :( )

I'd definitely prefer an N950 over the N9, but still bought an N9 because it is full of awesome and all the other Phone OSs that I've seen annoy me.

I do still miss Maemo 5 though, that would be cool to port to the N9 too... well one can dream... N955 all the way!

slaapliedje
I have contacted a manufacture and asked them and set up a request form i created a thread a while back for it.
Here the link :
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76810

sulu 2012-05-03 10:31
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mize (Post 1200878)
Which keyboard? Does it at least have ESC for vi?
It has a caps-lock key which even on desktops is often mapped to escape by vi users.

As for the useless menu key (I guess that's the one above caps lock) and its remapping to ctrl it would be helpful to know if it produces any output in xev if pressed.
No idea if xev is available on the N9, but if Easy Debian is then running xev there will be fine.

Demati 2012-05-03 12:30
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
http://www.amazon.com/Buletooth-Wire...6047725&sr=8-1

Looks like Amazon has this keyboard as well. Reviews seem to knock a lack of key illumination and bulk as cons. Everything else seems positive about it. Definitely thinking about this mod now.

On a side note this slider looks interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/NUU-K2-1-MiniK...6047725&sr=8-9

It's a bit more expensive but I wonder how difficult it would be to mod. It has illuminated keys as well (if that is a concern for anyone).

script.ninja 2012-05-03 13:02
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demati (Post 1201268)
http://www.amazon.com/Buletooth-Wire...6047725&sr=8-1

Looks like Amazon has this keyboard as well. Reviews seem to knock a lack of key illumination and bulk as cons. Everything else seems positive about it. Definitely thinking about this mod now.

On a side note this slider looks interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/NUU-K2-1-MiniK...6047725&sr=8-9

It's a bit more expensive but I wonder how difficult it would be to mod. It has illuminated keys as well (if that is a concern for anyone).
Going only by pictures and not having an N9 to guage by makes it hard for me to be certain, but it looks as if that second slider has a little bit less of an overlap when it's open...possibly enough so to make it easier to modify sufficiently to allow use of the N9 camera while open.

Demati 2012-05-03 13:18
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
I am tempted to buy the second slider and mod it but I think I will hold off until there is more testing with hiding the vkb.

mscion 2012-05-03 14:33
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demati (Post 1201296)
I am tempted to buy the second slider and mod it but I think I will hold off until there is more testing with hiding the vkb.
rainisto's BTinput works real well for the case you want to use a terminal. You have an option to switch between vkb and btkb. So when you need that missing key, like esc you can toggle back to vkb and use the esc key there. As I understand, this is designed for terminal. So if you want to go to, for example, web then you still have vkb on screen. It would be nice to generalize rainisto's work for all input. Also it would be cool if mouse worked but, as I recall, rainisto says this has performance problems.

Demati 2012-05-03 15:05
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
I have a small logitech BT keryboard at home that I am using with an HTPC. I'll try that out first with rainisto's BTinput.

I like that the Nuu keyboard is backlit but who knows what would be involved in modding that. I'll have to see if there is a store that carries it so I can see it first hand before dropping some money on it.

@script.ninja

It does look like a cutout could be made on the Nuu slider for the camera. I'm going to investigate it a little further.

djs514 2012-05-04 03:18
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Hey,
This is a great idea. The backight is also good. My personal preference is for a vertical slider, makes it more like a Nokia E71/72 or BB style (and with the slider same concept as the Torch). Like this one: http://www.boxwave.com/cases-and-cov...ion/bwpds/vgw/
Boxwave also has a request form to request they make accessories for specific devices here http://www.boxwave.com/community/req...?productid=629

They make accessories for the N900 already, so they aren't afraid to make accessories for niche devices (although I'm guessing there are many more N9s that have been sold so far than N900s).

Maybe a mass request will help.
I'd also love this double as an extended battery, athough it would be difficult with the door for the micro usb port (mine broke a few months ago, so it's aways open for me). Maybe I should start a new thread on extended battery options?

aironeous 2012-05-04 03:46
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Can somebody spot the screw holes on the Nu mini Iphone case so we can unscrew them and replace with our N9 case? I'm watching the youtube videos and I can't see where the holes are so far.

edit: At 5:34 from the underside on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wd5svq8RyY
It looks like it is riveted on with 8 rivets near top and maybe another 8 on bottom.
hmmm Well I'm in machine class. I should be able to do anything. I could stick it in a vise and punch out the rivets maybe - destroying the iphone case then use or drill whatever holes I want.
I'm still just a student but maybe I'll ask teach for advice on this and do it as a project.

edit again: Wait at 2:57 here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhgsjd8xyaE
are those 2 black strips tape that hides screw holes?

edit yet again: Or you can go with the TK-421

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ThinkGeek-TK...item3f16b2c3b0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dac9G0a15Pg

with HUGE keyboard real estate but you're going to have to flip it upside down then swivel the keyboard open.
But wow look at the HUGE FULL keyboard. I think I'm going to try out that one since I have big fingers and hit wrong keys a lot.

Estel 2012-05-04 04:44
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djs514 (Post 1201638)
although I'm guessing there are many more N9s that have been sold so far than N900s
Good joke.
---

Does anyone know what interface is used to connect N950 keyboard to it's body? Is there any standardized way used at all? N9 is internally so similar to N950 in many ways, so maybe it's possible to wire/solder "something somewhere", thus avoid using bluetooth for thing that should be connected all the time = better battery life?

From one point of view, I know and feel that such nodding ideas are great, and more polished, the better. On the other hand, I feel extremely sad for N9 users, when I realize that every "quick slide out" for typing few lines of code/commands require bluetooth pairing etc, otherwise, is eating battery like hell.

/Estel

aironeous 2012-05-04 05:17
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Just bought the TK-421 off of ebay cuz wow, huge keyboard real estate! I'll modify it in machine shop if I have to. Hope it pairs.

This one looks really good for little people.
http://youtu.be/Qofm8uO9auk

qwazix 2012-05-04 05:55
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Yes the N9 probably sold already more than N900's were ever made. I say peobably reading estimates around the web because Nokia didn't release numbers for either model.

pablocrossa 2012-05-04 15:31
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1201663)
Good joke.
---

Does anyone know what interface is used to connect N950 keyboard to it's body? Is there any standardized way used at all? N9 is internally so similar to N950 in many ways, so maybe it's possible to wire/solder "something somewhere", thus avoid using bluetooth for thing that should be connected all the time = better battery life?

From one point of view, I know and feel that such nodding ideas are great, and more polished, the better. On the other hand, I feel extremely sad for N9 users, when I realize that every "quick slide out" for typing few lines of code/commands require bluetooth pairing etc, otherwise, is eating battery like hell.

/Estel
Completely agree but I think that we are going to find a problem here
Not a lot of N950 = not a lot of N950 owners
Not a lot of owners open their devices

Multiply probability
Not a lot of not a lot of N950 owners open their devices

In other words I am not sure an N950 owner will come to THIS THREAD to open his device and help :D

Arie 2012-05-04 15:43
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pablocrossa (Post 1201880)
Completely agree but I think that we are going to find a problem here
Not a lot of N950 = not a lot of N950 owners
Not a lot of owners open their devices

Multiply probability
Not a lot of not a lot of N950 owners open their devices

In other words I am not sure an N950 owner will come to THIS THREAD to open his device and help :D
Ask Zehjotkah or @Zehjotkah on twitter.

pablocrossa 2012-05-04 15:45
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1201890)
Ask Zehjotkah or @Zehjotkah on twitter.
Someone with twitter do this??

godofwar424 2012-05-04 15:53
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pablocrossa (Post 1201892)
Someone with twitter do this??
I sent him a tweet, linking him to the post

immi.shk 2012-05-04 16:25
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
is there a way to use Bt keyboard as spare external battery for N9... would be great in critical situations.. :)

zehjotkah 2012-05-04 17:47
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Hi there,
I made some photos of my opened N950 some time ago. But I haven't taken it apart all the way down to the pcb. So I can't tell which connector is used.
But I know that the N9 has a completely different pcb layout. I don't think that it has connectors for a keyboard... Sorry.

But here are the photos anyways:
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2F3odUZj0v
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2FKj4VYTEx
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2FgmWNQza6
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2FjImNvqly
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2FQfFD3sVC

edit: just read the thread a little bit. yes, there a far, far more N9s than N900s.
edit2: but I will completely tear apart the N950 as soon as I'll get the successor.

olympus 2012-05-04 20:23
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1201951)
Hi there,
I made some photos of my opened N950 some time ago. But I haven't taken it apart all the way down to the pcb. So I can't tell which connector is used.
But I know that the N9 has a completely different pcb layout. I don't think that it has connectors for a keyboard... Sorry.

But here are the photos anyways:
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2F3odUZj0v
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2FKj4VYTEx
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2FgmWNQza6
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2FjImNvqly
https://twitter.com/#!/zehjotkah/med...com%2FQfFD3sVC

edit: just read the thread a little bit. yes, there a far, far more N9s than N900s.
edit2: but I will completely tear apart the N950 as soon as I'll get the successor.
and what will the successor be?:P

misterc 2012-05-05 10:30
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1201951)
[...]
edit2: but I will completely tear apart the N950 as soon as I'll get the successor.
seem to remember from the "N900 successor" thread from a year ago that you had gotten several N950s, no?
but i guess the interest in a N955 is limited if one has even only one N950 :D
then again, since this BT keyboard option came up, i'm looking into options of getting a 64GB N9;
still no mSD slot, but with USB on the go...
was also looking into availability of the 808 PureView for my contract renewal in a few weeks and came across... a N900 from a phone shop, right next to the L800 :-o :eek:
can't help wondering...

then again, if a N10 / N960 is in the air :p :o
anything concrete? :cool: ;)

soryuuha 2012-05-05 10:31
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
this should be 'N945' since its not as beautiful as N950

HtheB 2012-05-05 10:42
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by soryuuha (Post 1202160)
this should be 'N945' since its not as beautiful as N950
The N9 has NFC and an Amoled screen plus it has a higher capacity battery, so technically the N9 is better with the mod ;)

Kangal 2012-05-05 11:20
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1202163)
The N9 has NFC and an Amoled screen plus it has a higher capacity battery, so technically the N9 is better with the mod ;)
But the N9 has a smaller battery than N950 when you consider the BT connection drains power from the phone and the keyboard.

michaelmhk 2012-05-05 11:57
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
I have 3 Bluetooth keyboard, all of them can only input a-z, special character either wrong mapping or nothing inputted. Anyone can help?

aizudean 2012-05-05 12:07
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
how to take picture using back camera?

Estel 2012-05-05 12:45
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Drill a hole, so while holding it with keyboard open, Your camera actually sees the light. In the end of tunnel.

zehjotkah 2012-05-05 19:48
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1202163)
and an Amoled screen
but it's pentile. some people just can't stand pentile screens...
for example I see squares on pentile screens... but I also see flashes on DLP projectors...

Estel 2012-05-06 03:59
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
...and pink mouses... sorry, couldn't stop myself.

Seriously though, I see dots on resistive screens - but only when they're turned off, and under direct (lamp) light ;)

Please, don't turn this thread into another "this screen technology is better than that one".

/Estel

misterc 2012-05-06 11:57
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1202427)
...and pink mouses... [...]
that would be mice :|
and they are not pink, they are black

script.ninja 2012-05-07 17:53
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1201648)
Can somebody spot the screw holes on the Nu mini Iphone case so we can unscrew them and replace with our N9 case? I'm watching the youtube videos and I can't see where the holes are so far.

edit: At 5:34 from the underside on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wd5svq8RyY
It looks like it is riveted on with 8 rivets near top and maybe another 8 on bottom.
hmmm Well I'm in machine class. I should be able to do anything. I could stick it in a vise and punch out the rivets maybe - destroying the iphone case then use or drill whatever holes I want.
I'm still just a student but maybe I'll ask teach for advice on this and do it as a project.

edit again: Wait at 2:57 here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhgsjd8xyaE
are those 2 black strips tape that hides screw holes?

edit yet again: Or you can go with the TK-421

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ThinkGeek-TK...item3f16b2c3b0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dac9G0a15Pg

with HUGE keyboard real estate but you're going to have to flip it upside down then swivel the keyboard open.
But wow look at the HUGE FULL keyboard. I think I'm going to try out that one since I have big fingers and hit wrong keys a lot.
TK-421, why aren't you at your post?

TK-421, do you copy?

MINKIN2 2012-05-07 18:11
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
There is also a similar keyboard buy with a tilt here

Has anyone had any experience with these or can anyone tell how the rear mechanism compares to the slider in the original post?

aironeous 2012-05-08 04:23
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Ha ha first attempt just using a lighter, some wire snips and some small screw drivers. I just heated up the tiny screw driver and drove it through the case into the little black base. I totally got the wrong angle. Oh well I have plenty of more cases and I'm glad I tried it out on a color I didn't like. Tomorrow I'll circular file that black base. The N9 is so top heavy like this it would be easy to drop it forward and I don't like this keyboard performance. Keys are not registering and keys are double and triple registering. Too much babysitting just to get something typed out and the whole thing is cheap plastic. Love the keyboard size and layout and button feel though, it's huge and a function button on both sides.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...r/12050019.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...r/12050020.jpg

Verdict I'll try the slider keyboard at the start of this thread or maybe another slider but if it performs like this constantly missing keys and double and triple registering keys to the point of babysitting like this one that will be my last try. This one not only makes the N9 a brick/sandwich but there is a black blob sticking out of the top which is where it pivots. It looks like it's parasiting the N9. Oh well, too bad we can't have a huge keyboard like this but super thin and hardwired in and slides out. It was too good to be true. I feel, well.....istupid.

Dousan 2012-05-08 05:58
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
@aironeous this is simply just funny mate...

Quote:
I feel, well.....istupid.
Shame it didn't work.

Regards Dousan...

Waynder 2012-06-01 21:05
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
got it workin... did anybody solve the problen with FN button?

Kabouik 2012-06-15 15:20
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Has anyone tried the NUU K2-1 MiniKey? It looks like an interesting alternative to the Boxwave keyboard buddy case.

I'd like to try a mod too. However, I have absolutely no idea of which one would be the best, in terms of size, keyboard quality and compatibility. Any reviews (on either one of these keyboards)?

godofwar424 2012-06-15 17:49
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1222334)
Has anyone tried the NUU K2-1 MiniKey? It looks like an interesting alternative to the Boxwave keyboard buddy case.

I'd like to try a mod too. However, I have absolutely no idea of which one would be the best, in terms of size, keyboard quality and compatibility. Any reviews (on either one of these keyboards)?
The minikey wont work from the looks of it, it doesnt have a removable device holder and its built too perfectly for the iPhone :(

I LIE! It should work, there's screws and stuff on the MiniKey :) Im tempted to just buy it and try!

EDIT: Went and bought one, will post pictures when finished and will let you know how it works! Don't have the hard case yet, so going to use the standard rubber one initially.

marmistrz 2012-06-15 17:53
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1200847)
So there I was, thinking how to get my hands on the N950 some time ago... but then I thought: How will other people will get the N950? Everyone should be able to get the N950...!

All this thinking have made me do something about this problem. A little "case-mod" can do miracles :)

I bought a cheap iPhone bluetooth slide-case, and a cheap N9 case on eBay.

I unscrewed the case to get rid of the iPhone case, to just have the bluetooth keyboard with the slider.

Then, I just made holes in the cheap N9-case and screwed the slider on it.

Turn on the device, pair them and the result: N9 with a keyboard!

The only drawback is that there is no Ctrl button. I hope someone can help on this project to add a ctrl key for this bluetooth keyboard. There is a "menu" button which doesn't do anything on the N9... Maybe we can bind this key to act as a Ctrl key?


I made some pictures on how I did this, I'll upload them today to share this idea with everybody.

Bluetooth Keyboard:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...m=290691737517

N9 hardcase:
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/ws/eBayISAPI....m=130589350679

Edit:

Here are the pictures and the YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-9GuzIT8_8

Picture 1:
The bluetooth keyboard itself in it's original state
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3249/12040005.jpg

Picture 2:
Remove the sticker from the case to get to the screws
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/695/12040006.jpg

Picture 3:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/803/12040008.jpg

Picture 4:
Unscrew the screws
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3065/12040009.jpg

Picture 5:
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4224/12040010.jpg

Picture 6:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2010/12040011.jpg

Picture 7:
Makes holes on top of the N9 case and place it on the bluetooth keyboard and screw the screws back
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1541/12050001.jpg

Picture 8:
Place the sticker back on top of the N9 case to prevent scratches on your N9
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5103/12050003.jpg

Picture 9:
Result! (This is an early build, that's why it's not perfectly centered in the middel)
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8191/12050008.jpg
This can be our community device :D

shin2_d 2012-06-15 18:00
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
Wow, simple but awesome.

Should i try it out if i get meego device or on my existing nokia n8 ;)

mrsellout 2012-06-15 18:13
Re: Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
 
A device as beautifully designed as the n9 deserves better than a iphone hand-me-down (not that I'm knocking your fine efforts). Why not design our own case and use a 3d printer to fabricate it?

Building my own 3d printer is my project for the summer, so I'm holding off doing this just yet, but I thought I'd put the idea out there.


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