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Estel 2012-05-09 13:11
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
I've heard that Tizen talks/tech shows (on Linux embedded conference in San Francisco) were quite pathetic/boring/lacking anything innovative. It also apply to device in question :/

Fawz 2012-05-09 15:19
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
This sounds interesting. I was very sceptical towards yet another remix (and the names just get worse), but at least they seem to be actually going to release devices running it.

Now, does anyone know the extent of its multi-tasking capability compared to maemo/android? Couldn't see it mentioned/shown in the video.

ibrakalifa 2012-05-09 15:38
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maybe builtup from samsung is cheap from plastic, but dont judge the book from its cover, they have the best SoC on earth atm, :D

Dave999 2012-05-09 15:43
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
This has been available before, but now you can see the device aswell. This is what regular users likes ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ-yMJR65VU

zimon 2012-05-09 15:45
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Maybe it has user choosable scheduler and CPU governor like in Cyanogen Android, so there won't be an issue if someone wants to tune it closer to a mobile computer and further from a smart phone.

http://androidforums.com/xperia-mini...explained.html

Hopefully developers still make apps to be background-aware and not programs just for fellow developers with double-triple batteries.

Dave999 2012-05-09 16:29
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Grab a beer and...

https://www.tizen.org/conference/tiz...ce/live-stream

ajalkane 2012-05-09 16:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1204164)
They're building a HTML5 platform, promoting HTML5. And their live stream uses Adobe Flash. LOL. FAIL!

qwazix 2012-05-09 16:51
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
you know, the first smartphone with touchWiz was a Symbian Phone...

specc 2012-05-09 17:00
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by unknown.obvious (Post 1203781)
Now you scared me. I belive monopolies are bad for various reasons and seems like Samsung is as good as there. Even Apple Product have Samsung stuff inside so it's technicaly not that much of a competitior. I also remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26MB4...feature=relmfu Did you know Samsung did this? It didn't go into Production (yet) and I fear there is more.
It's difficult to see that anyone can beat Samsung in anything atm. They are the most complete consumer electronics company ever to have existed.

Chinese manufacturers have given up, they are fighting each other in stead. The others, Sony, Panasonic, whatever are just pushed out of the water when Samsung makes their splashes.

Samsung is quality. Everything I have that is Samsung just works and keep on doing it year after year. But Samsung is way too lazy updating the OS'es. If you have had a couple of Samsung phones you are fed up. Nokia is (was...) a zillion times better in that respect. That's why I am reluctant about Samsung phones. Tizen phones will probably not be any better. They release one or two, after a year they release one more with Tizen 2.0 and forget about all the Tizen 1.0 phones. They won't be updated. Then they forget all about Tizen, heading off into some new thing.

Samsung knows hardware like no one has ever done before, but regarding software they are a mess. This will kill them in the end if they don't shape up.

So, if WP catches on against all odds, Samsung will make the best HW spec vise, but I would rather have a Nokia because I know the software aspects will be much better. Not that Nokia is some genius regarding software, they are just better than Samsung (at least they used to be).

woody14619 2012-05-09 18:00
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I think the device looks nice. It's hard to tell much from a reference device, but frankly their reference is further along than just about anything MeeGo has been, so... :P

I'll be interested to see what they have when it's ready to hit the market. The lack of a keyboard is killer for me, but there are plenty of mods out there for other devices to add a BT keyboard with a slip-on case. If this makes it big enough to get something like that, it may be worth a second look.

gerbick 2012-05-09 18:09
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Not a fan of the device look (love the specs though), but if it can be skinned, it's at least at Android Gingerbread levels at a 1.0 release - mostly due to the Touchwiz sourced imagery, the notifications drop down and a few other things I've seen so far.

But it's a start. I've gotta come up to speed on the SDK first to comment more than just what I've seen.

Sorta cool. Didn't surprise me like Harmattan did though.

volt 2012-05-09 19:10
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1204015)
I've heard that Tizen talks/tech shows (on Linux embedded conference in San Francisco) were quite pathetic/boring/lacking anything innovative. It also apply to device in question :/
So, you're telling us that it was run by serious people with under-the-hood knowledge of the software, instead of marketing clowns with bling and hypnotoad knowledge...

...and that is supposed to be a bad thing, somehow?

As long as Intel is involved, I'm less than optimistic that it'll ever come something concrete out of this... But it's still a chance for this. Meltemi on the other hand, I bet it's going to be pretty locked down as it's supposed to replace S40. Not holding my breath there.

zimon 2012-05-09 19:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1204250)
Meltemi on the other hand, I bet it's going to be pretty locked down as it's supposed to replace S40. Not holding my breath there.
Isn't Meltemi just S40 or Symbian phone?

Nokia 306
http://www.mediafire.com/?y0s7k6zgsizwhof

It has "Java" but not "GPL" in the Licensees section, so it wouldn't have anything to do with Linux, page 41/42.

volt 2012-05-09 20:05
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Meltemi is Nokias chosen tool to bring internet to the next billion users. I.e., it's a phone OS. With internet. For people who doesn't yet have internet access. In other words, people with no money.

Wiki: "Meltemi is reported to be a MeeGo Linux-based smartphone operating system designed by Nokia for low-cost mobile devices, to replace the Symbian OS smartphone and S40 feature phone operating systems."

It says "MeeGo Linux". Most sources only say Linux and doesn't say MeeGo, if I'm not mistaken. Frankly, I am pretty darn certain that it'll NOT be MeeGo compatible. More likely it'll be nicked "Maemo/Meltemi" than MeeGo.

zimon 2012-05-09 20:16
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1204295)
Meltemi is Nokias chosen tool to bring internet to the next billion users. I.e., it's a phone OS. With internet. For people who doesn't yet have internet access. In other words, people with no money.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Nokia+306+Meltemi

To me it seems like rumors about Melemi being based on Linux are false.

volt 2012-05-09 20:22
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You're the one linking to rumors. Device rumors are never true. :g

Anyway, those pages also stated "Linux", so I don't know where you have it from. I was watching the Nokia broadcast when they introduced the "next billion" concept, and as far as I knew, there wasn't any controversy around it Linux-ness?

zimon 2012-05-09 20:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1204310)
You're the one linking to rumors. Device rumors are never true. :g

Anyway, those pages also stated "Linux", so I don't know where you have it from. I was watching the Nokia broadcast when they introduced the "next billion" concept, and as far as I knew, there wasn't any controversy around it Linux-ness?
http://www.mediafire.com/?y0s7k6zgsizwhof'
Well if that leaked draft manual about Nokia Asha 306 is correct, I would think it says "GPL" in the License section and not would mention "Java" license, if it would be Linux based.

volt 2012-05-09 21:03
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As far as I can see, there's no GPL mention in the N9 or N900 user guide either.

This is from the C2-01 user guide:
Quote:
1 Select Phone > Phone updates .

2 To display the current software version and check whether an update is available, select Current sw details.

3 To download and install a software update, select Downl. phone sw. Follow the instructions.

4 If the installation was cancelled after the download, select Install sw update.
This is from the 306 user guide:

Quote:
1 Select phone > device updates.
2 To display the current software version and check whether an update is available,
select current sw details.
3 To download and install a software update, select downl. phone sw. Follow the
displayed instructions.
4 If the installation was cancelled after the download, select install sw update.
And it also has the Java notice. Looks to me like it's the same OS. Not Meltemi.

misiak 2012-05-09 21:26
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1204250)
So, you're telling us that it was run by serious people with under-the-hood knowledge of the software, instead of marketing clowns with bling and hypnotoad knowledge...

...and that is supposed to be a bad thing, somehow?

As long as Intel is involved, I'm less than optimistic that it'll ever come something concrete out of this... But it's still a chance for this. Meltemi on the other hand, I bet it's going to be pretty locked down as it's supposed to replace S40. Not holding my breath there.
My thoughts exactly - conference in the USA, where people are mostly Android and iPhone lovers (no offence) - did anyone really expect these people to say that a foreign company wanting to produce device using not-American OS is cool? ;) And, besides, if Android and iOS fanboys say it's boring and not-innovative (and, in the meantime they say that Apple with it's iPads etc. is innovative), it's rather a compliment for Samsung ;)

stickymick 2012-05-09 21:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by immi.shk (Post 1203870)
wish the first device to be TIZEN NOTE

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8...otemockdes.jpg
God forbid.
I certainly wouldn't want it that size. Be like walking around with a sheet of shuttering ply, not to mention a mugger magnet.

My sister boasted 6 days ago that she now has a Samsung Note and that I should dump my piece of outdated Nokia crap and get one.
She had it snatched out of her hand by a bunch of jerks in the multi-story car park. Unless I'm using it, my piece of outdated Nokia crap stays snuggly out of site in my pocket.

stickymick 2012-05-09 21:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misiak (Post 1204368)
My thoughts exactly - conference in the USA, where people are mostly Android and iPhone lovers (no offence) - did anyone really expect these people to say that a foreign company wanting to produce device using not-American OS is cool? ;) And, besides, if Android and iOS fanboys say it's boring and not-innovative (and, in the meantime they say that Apple with it's iPads etc. is innovative), it's rather a compliment for Samsung ;)
If it doesn't catch on in the US there's always the rest of the world.

olighak 2012-05-09 22:41
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I'm excited about this and BB10.

I'm going to hold my wife off, on replacing her N900, until we see which hardware keyboard variants become available from Blackberry and Samsung.

If neither one of those pans out, then it'll be android.

Estel 2012-05-10 03:08
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1204250)
So, you're telling us that it was run by serious people with under-the-hood knowledge of the software, instead of marketing clowns with bling and hypnotoad knowledge...

...and that is supposed to be a bad thing, somehow?
I've heard about Tizen parts of conference being mostly uninteresting, from view of Maemo/Mer guy, so you can scratch everything You've written.

As for device being totally uninteresting, it's my opinion.

/Estel

// Edit

Another one:
http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/201...t-impressions/

volt 2012-05-10 07:43
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
It's just a developer's prototype, it looks more like a real phone than some of the Maemo prototypes we've seen over the years.

zimon 2012-05-10 11:00
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1204345)

And it also has the Java notice. Looks to me like it's the same OS. Not Meltemi.
Or there is no such thing as Linux based "Meltemi".
Would think weird, if Nokia still would develop both S40/Symbian based "Meltemi" and Linux based "Meltemi".

And because Nokia is Microsoft's own biatch (lumia in spanish), I would not think Elop allows anything in Nokia to be based on Linux.

volt 2012-05-10 19:46
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Yes, that would be weird. But the 306 there looks to just be an updated version of S40 to me.

pycage 2012-05-11 12:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1204671)
Or there is no such thing as Linux based "Meltemi".
Would think weird, if Nokia still would develop both S40/Symbian based "Meltemi" and Linux based "Meltemi".
AFAIK Meltemi is Linux-based, but not MeeGo-based. It's based on another Linux distribution with ARM support.

www.rzr.online.fr 2012-05-11 13:09
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about java, n9 was said to support j2me IICR

Aranel 2012-05-12 14:25
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There's an unboxing video of developer device -captured by tizen turkey- if you didn't notice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whqpCn1NKjY

Lumiaman 2012-05-12 14:33
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Uglies phone I have seen in a long while. Another dud

GrimyHR 2012-05-12 15:11
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is tizen stil targeting html5 as its main development platform?

gerbick 2012-05-12 15:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1205711)
is tizen stil targeting html5 as its main development platform?
So far, I'm only like 2 hours into their SDK, but yep.

GrimyHR 2012-05-12 15:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1205713)
So far, I'm only like 2 hours into their SDK, but yep.
why is this thread in alternative subforum then, shouldnt it actually be a real alternative to be here :p

immi.shk 2012-05-12 15:42
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@gerbick does the SDK gives indication for supporting 720p(& beyond) screen resolutions..

and whats gonna be the app extension for Tizen i mean .deb, rmp what ?

zimon 2012-05-12 16:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by immi.shk (Post 1205732)
and whats gonna be the app extension for Tizen i mean .deb, rmp what ?
Hopefully rpm. And I also think it will be because Linux Foundation is in charge.

rpm has differential packages (.drpm) which leads to savings in data transfers both for end users and operators.

Also rpm has transactions support, so if device looses battery power between installing packages, the device can itself backroll after reboot. (in fact, if battery power is lost in middle of transaction, nothing needs to be backrolled, only transaction continued and finished or transaction cancelled)

Additionally, if Tizen would want to use SELinux to make devices even more secure, rpm-systems has well built and tested support for SELinux.

And rpm packages have GPG-signatures embedded, so we won't have security vulnerabilities like in talk.maemo.org we see often: there is a MITM attack possible every time someone does wget+dpks_-i.

gerbick 2012-05-12 16:58
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
So far, all indications point to deb. I'm still waiting on the Mac install for this - might have to update my Ubuntu install and try it there.

amaziN9 2012-05-12 17:15
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that's mean application from tizen could be ported to n9?

Dave999 2012-05-12 17:28
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1205703)
Uglies phone I have seen in a long while. Another dud
Dude, Why do you even commenting the phone? :eek:

It's all about the OS.

immi.shk 2012-05-12 17:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1205760)
So far, all indications point to deb..
doesn't it indicate Tizen has more Similarity to N900 then N9..

pelago 2012-05-14 10:15
Re: First Tizen developer smartphone from Samsung
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by immi.shk (Post 1205774)
doesn't it indicate Tizen has more Similarity to N900 then N9..
N9 uses deb too.


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