Re: Will the tablet world change now?
 

He copied it and put it in his signature. . . :(

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cause all my post are that great. ;)

It's a secret( you need over 1000 thanks to do it)

Don't tell anyone

No, I would never do that:rolleyes:

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It sure does, but sadly all efforts using the snipping tool with your fingers has the same level of accuracy as spreading butter on to toast with your Wang! ;)

Seriously though, there are some tasks that are next to impossible without a cursor.

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"Microsoft Surface with Windows 8 Professional will come in 64 GB and 128 GB storage models and will have a retail price comparable with competitive Ultrabook class PCs."

Do you think you will get one 128 GB for $1000? above that I think it would be to expensive.

Re: Will the tablet world change now?
 

No, but I have ties to Microsoft.

They still suck.

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Is your name Elop?

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Strangest thing, suddenly all my post are great as well :eek:

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How so? I think they looks quite ordinary.

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You know. I'm actually really digging my Android tablet.

I got an OG transformer, with the neato keyboard. It's pretty legit.

Pretty damn good battery life. And does what I need it to do.

I used it for school, so no big deal.

It's like owning an Android phone... but not having to put up with the crap involved with one.

It runs nice and smooth, even if it's a little low tech by now.

Ya know what could tip me for one of these Microsoft tablets? Another keyboard.

Now, I actually think the cover keyboard is pretty awesome, but I would much prefer a harder, thicker (dirty sounding) keyboard, with another built-in battery.

Seriously, the Transformer tablet keyboard is pretty great. yes, it adds a good bit of size and weight, but the extra large battery, and USB ports are worth it. I could totally see something like this working for the "Surfaces" because ya know, they're gonna drain battery like no one's business.

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and touch typing on a 10 inch tablet makes me feel like a Neanderthal.:D

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Indeed. $1000 would be back to where we started (WinXP tablets that sucked bad).

$500, and a Wacom digitizer running on x86 (even the modern Atoms or AMD APU would be fine) would be the game changer.

$1000 for a pretty piece of hardware is simply not worth it.

And regarding the keyboard, mini-chiclet keyboards suck harder than they already do at less than 13 inches. The Transformer dock style would suit it so much better (plus the extra battery and ports)

Lastly, I think MS telling OEMs (the companies that made them ultra rich now) to sod off is a horrible, horrible idea.

Should MS stop licensing Windows/abandon the whole OEM licensing tier, I think the Year of the Linux Desktop would be pretty near.

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I think that "will the tablet world change now?" is the wrong question. The right question is "how can we change the tablet world?"

One thing that went wrong here is that we backed the wrong horse. We gave too much support to Nokia all along. We were betrayed every step of the way, and we let it happen. Look at how the world of computer users is run. Groups of users tend to be owned by one company or another. We didn't start becoming liberated till Nokia threw us away. I think that the biggest burst of creativity among developers here happened after it became clear that no more updates for the N900 were coming from Nokia.

Enough users need to band together independently to ensure that they no longer become drones of the major manufacturers. Fanboyism is slavery.

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$500 way to low. It's almost half the prize of a highend android phone like Iphone or SG3. a low price is not always the right way for a exclusive highend product. Apple's products are great example of that. Almost all products are higher than the competitions, but if you put specs and performance its not better at all.

But the customers gladly paying hugh amount for their products and they are happy so that is the most important.

The price alone is not important, but what you think you get for the price it whats matter. That is also the why apple have so few products in line. The are working with branding and exslusivity and not with prize. Microsoft can have on line of products release every now and then, called surface and let others like nokia cover the the other areas.

Also, micrsoft can release a product were windows 8 run at its best, while others like nokia just have to guess were it runs as well as possible.

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Dude, the users never change the world. It's always the companies that shows the way even if the users always believe they do it.

It's like saying Maemo is so open windows is so closed. What does that mean? It's FALSE. Freedom and openness is different for all users as well as machines. Same with products...ummmm, what am I talking about?

I'm too damn smart for this forum.

Good bye!

Re: Will the tablet world change now?
 

The future of tablets according to Microsoft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrWP...layer_embedded

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Be careful, don't hit the lintel on your way of gtf out!

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I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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The New iPad (16GB, high PPI display) is <$500.

And that's with Apple supposedly having big, fat profit margins.

Your move.

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Of cource I know!

It stands for SEE MORE ART..ist... Damn it, you are right. I don't know.

That's why am back here with you at TMO. :D

Now, where is my surface tablet?

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You show extraordinary communication skills. I suggest you to write an application for council membership. Maybe some certain fellow councilors will somehow manage in you receiving one from MS hardware division, err, i mean Nokia.

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Hey, don_falcone. Why are you always act like that? cheer up dude.

Are you angry with me for that councilors got devices? That would be truly awesome a new low for you!

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Am I the only one who finds that anything bigger than the note is cumbersome to use? I agree that they are shiny and have a certain desirability factor (especially if you love gadgets), I did order a $99 touchpad that never came, but even on the sofa I find those 10 inchers cumbersome to use. Especially with one hand they are unusable where a laptop isn't. I don't even wanna think about it when you are standing up (less cumbersome than a laptop, but not exactly ok). Even on a desk, the laptop wins. I've got a 13" conertible hp and I find myself converting it only when I want to sketch with the wacom stylus, an even then I miss the keyboard shortcuts. On the other hand I find pocketable devices like the maemo tablets and android phablets perfect.

I fear we are nowhere near a post-pc era, tablets will go down like netbooks in a couple of years, not because they are useless, netbooks weren't useless at all, but because there is no need to upgrade. Netbooks today still come with a similar single core 1,6Ghz atom and 1gb of ram at about the same price as 3 years ago. And you can do much, much more things on a netbook than you can do on a tablet.

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You look so much better when walking into a meeting with a surface in your hands instead of a laptop or even an ultrabook.

Is that reason enough to put our notes to rest. Let's see.

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I would buy a good win7 tablet rather than the surface tablet.

Re: Will the tablet world change now?
 

..in certain circles, you won't be taken seriously then.

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True, I would never use one at work.

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Another interesting question is: when will you be able to run desktop environments on the mobile phone. And I'm not talking about an OS you adding by yourself but a stock solution.

That would be nice great and really kill the desktop and laptops.

Re: Will the tablet world change now?
 

Heard of the Lenovo Yoga?

-great keyboard
-great trackpad
-decent features
-works as laptop, tablet, kickstand

In fact, it seems like Lenovo's visited a familiar forum : )

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Sorry, kangal. I've added and removed a thanks. Now one thank you from Chuck == 4,294,967,295 regular thanks.

Thank you for the tip. Release date?

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Wooohoooo! Chuck attack!

4,294,967,295 thanks. Best post ever in the history of TMO.

Very great post by Mr kangal

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No release date so far, and it'll depend on region too.
But they've already placed the price at $1900... I'm guessing this will certainly decrease when available since the Airs are more competitive, nevertheless the Surface PRO adding more competition.

Probably first in China/Taiwan, then USA, then slowly other countries.
I'm hoping to get it from USA (cheapest) and import it here, hopefully dodging the import tax (Australia) and saving myself ~$200 (lenovo's got international warranty).

PS When Chuck Norris Thanks You, it counts as 4 billion thanks, lmao

edit: got some scoop, price change and date.
Priced at $1,199... believable. Date: second half of 2012, so likely the end of Q3. http://officialreleasedate.com/2012/...f-of-2012-736/

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Will be a hard game. Windows will no doubt have a way into mobile phones with hardware like this. Shiny...

WHERE is the nokia tablet...

I wonder if we ever see a full featured clean linux tablet or phone again. IOS and windows will split the market. Where will android fit in.

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I wonder what will come first surface pro, tizen tablet or Jolla tablet.

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I am still trying to relate to the question posed by the OP.

It is coming clear that the selling price of the Nexus 7 is either at or below cost of manufacture.

So how is competition supposed to thrive?

At the very least, any alternative will have to have a much better specification for the same price. But even then customers may prefer to have the brand Google Nexus.

So in order to attract sales the price will have to be even lower.

But can manufacturers afford to go cheaper? Rather than commit commercial suicide perhaps many will simply decide not to compete and withdraw from the Nexus end of the market. In which case our choice of a quality 7" tablet is down to one.

IMHO discussion of Surface, Jolla and Tizen is off topic in this thread.

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It's pretty much certain that WinRT and Win8 tablets will be released first.
I mean Tizen has no interest in a tablet, only for feature-phones (replacing Bada).
And Jolla hasn't produced anything yet, it takes time to push out a (decent) smart-product.
....so Yeah, pretty Off-Topic, even for this thread.

Those reports that the Nexus7 is sold at a loss are incorrect.
Firstly, the Nvidia sells the cheapest SoC between it and Qualcomm, TI, etc.

It's using an underpowered Tegra3, and with all the internals would come to a collective cost of $20.
I'm not sure about battery, it should be cheap.
The screen is what costs alot, I'm guessing about $60 per panel (I'm overestimating it).
Labour costs I'm not sure, really depends on who/where, I'd say its cheap (<$15).
The casing is pretty cheap, but Google decided to use quality materials and machining which would cost a lot more, I couldn't really give a figure.

With slightly worse quality, the Nexus7 could cost around or below $100 per unit.
Because of Google's specification (casing, labour, battery, etc etc) I could see it costing more, but I doubt it would exceed $150.

So for the $199 unit, Google's essentially making $50 or slightly more... and that's a very small gain.
In business, your product should bring you back 100% and more of your investment, its a rule of thumb.

What I'm trying to dig at here is that other OEMs can EASILY compete against the Nexus7 on all fronts:
- Give acceptable casing and battery capacity
- Choose a decent SoC, OC'd Exynos 4210 performs as well as quadcores
- Provide the missing features (fullsized SD slot, microHDMI, microUSB-HOST)
- Don't molest the software (provide source, and if possible the drivers = instant upgrade to JellyBean and KeyLimePie)

I bought a 16GB Elf2 for $125 (with shipping), and remember they're making a profit from that!

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I just red that windows server 2012 is going to use metroUI too. MS really wants to go out of business lol but Im sure you can administer your server through surface :D

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If you say so, just that there are so many such reports including statements from Asus itself. Only Asus really knows for sure and they may not be inclined to be forthcoming on the exact figures.

I hope you are right and manufacturers are able to compete and make a profit. I get fed up with the zero sum strategies that are adopted as a substitute for good business acumen.

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@Kangal
Spot on assessment. Kudos.
http://www.slashgear.com/google-nexu...ppli-11238067/

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Wtf... Kangal working on slashgear or they are reading this Exellent thread. Either way. Scary!

nexus 7 is for kids. Microsoft surface is for professionals!

Just check this...
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/07/11...wn-the-ninjas/

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Interesting article, pretty much confirms my assesment.
In fact after the first batch(es) (10-90K units), I'd say the second batch would cost less considering how these factories operate.

So that $151.75 is probably going to drop down another $3-$4

Just wanted to point out that a Nexus7 with 16GB NAND, microSD slot, microHDMI and microUSB-HOST can go from materials to product in under $160... and most consumers are willing to go the $250 mark, so it is possible to make a decent tablet offering and make a good profit.

Just imagine what Apple's raking in with the more mass-scale produced iPad, with larger retail price!