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Random thought... Qualcomm makes the chips that will power this upcoming generation of Windows Phone 8 and had produced the prior chips that Nokia utilized (as well as the other WP7 handset manufacturers)...

Perhaps this is Qualcomm's way to get back at Nokia. Sell them on the old chipset, say it's the fastest chipset while withholding this upcoming chipset, sat back and laughed when Elop was saying that the Lumia 900 was the "real WP7 phone"...

If so. Well played Qualcomm... well played. That'll teach anybody to take you to court for so long...

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Jesus man... you're so naive..

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Naive...NO......Real.....YES.

All they have done is put more squares, that's it. It really is quite messy and unorganized. What good is the rest of the UI, if the first screen I see, after I unlock the phone, is a chess board.

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I was talking about you, feeding the trolls (lamiaman)

falling in his "trap"....

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The song "Road to Nowhere" by Talking Heads has to be the theme song in the upcoming commercial for the Windows Phone 8 Lumia's!

Narrator: "Meet the new Lumia, with Windows Phone 8"
[Song Road to Nowhere by Talking Heads starts playing]
Narrator: "Available from October 2012"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKqzayNo4Dk

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That's the mistake you are making. This isn't about what is possible it's about what they are willing to spend time (and therefore money) on. The HD2 was also capable of running WP7 but it didn't get it, it got updated to 6.5 only. Nokia and MS are trying to sell phones and they think they can do it by ignoring those who they've already sold to and making them buy the new phone. There will no doubt be low end WP8 in the future. Lumia 900 would not be one of them though.

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Just wanna see what the kid's got now after nothing new and out of the ordinary has been announced by MS. ;)

Pardon me............for being zi curiouuuuz :eek:

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By their actions, they are essentially admitting that WP7 was just an interim OS with almost no support lifecycle. This also implies that Windows Phone was never 'ready' early as a competitor to the N9, but was actually always a "get something turdy shipped that we can sell while we quickly play catch-up behind the scenes" manoeuvre on Microsoft's part.

It actually implies that the internal Nokia software departments such as the Harmattan Team did not lose the software war at all, as those software projects have been stopped, but WP8 is only now catching up to the feature set (NFC etc), but they actually lost the internal software marketing war, as they had an enemy at the helm of the company who had been given complete authority to destroy any pre-existing strategy and product.

However, none of this matters if this type of WP support strategy continues from MS, the platform will not last long at all. Customers do not regard built-in obsolescence as an appealing feature in their technology devices. Their competitors at Apple understand how new OS releases and support can continue for older hardware, and customers will flock to that platform or elsewhere instead.

Microsoft is running scared now that tablets have taken a chunk of the laptop market share, and Android has more new OS installations than Windows desktop. MS have a lot of cash reserves so they can keep subsidising unprofitable operations, but they also don't treat their partner companies particularly well, and some of them struggle to survive. Yes of course MS can have their own branded handsets manufactured like the new surface tablet, but how well did that work for them with Zune, and are they good at carrier partnerships?

:)

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They said 18 months support, not updates. WP7.8 would count as "support".

Also, you can install iOS 5 on a 3GS which launched in 2009! that's more than 18months. Android phones are also updated to the latest ICS release which is not going to be replaced I assume until this fall so most android phones would also have 18 months or more. Not to mention a lot of Android phones have unlocked bootloaders anyway so you can install whatever you like.

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What I would like to really know is if Nokia knew about this.
I can only assume that Nokia had no idea of this plan otherwise whoever OKed this ad was completely crazy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_elqLDSt36k

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I said it much prior this no-upgrade-path announcement - the person who came up with the idea of beta-test ad campaign ought to be shot in the head and left in a ditch to rot!

They didn't even realize they were throwing stabs at themselves with that campaign - it is not as if both Microsoft and Nokia haven't had anything to do with mobile prior to that. They essentially said to their own customers: "Fooled ya! You've been our beta-testers, but we promise this is the real deal." Only an idiot could think this could be a positive ad campaign.

And with today's announcement we see the other side of the ad - not was it only insulting to their existing customers, it showed a great potential to turn around and bite them in the arse. Oh Irony, thou art a harsh mistress...

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flagship, low-end?

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Well, lately all the Nokia dubbed flagships were, ironically, low-end :rolleyes:

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let's be honest with ourselves, shall we?
Flop killed NOKIA with his "burning platform memo" scaring customers away who otherwise would for many have gone on buying Symbian devices and would now proudly show multitasking + swiping + 41 MP camera and what not to their envious buddies with Android or iOS devices
:mad:

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withholding?
if memory serves well, LostDOS Paralyzed doesn't support more then 1 CPU / Core... :rolleyes:
at least, so far :confused:

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that's why the N9-64GB is 30% more expensive then a L900, i guess... to mark the difference:eek:
not that the L900 isn't already in rather stratospheric price regions >¦-)
hard to understand though why a N9-16GB can be up to 25% cheaper then a L900 :p
who would be idiotic enough to get a L900 then?

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Why is m$ trying so hard to opaque nokia launches from other platforms?remember n9? $ Elop showing a wp7 phone and now 808 launch in the US and they comes with wtf8, ups sorry wp8.. pathetic ceo.

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what's elop's definition of "long term experience"??? 3 days?!?!?!

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Huh? Sorry, but my whole Micro$oft rhetoric is still stuck in the Slashdot era from a few years back and I've not kept up with that whole "windoze" speak.

Care to enlighten me? I'm being serious, btw.

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Nice little touch on Scalado at the end of the announcement.
Nokia buys Scalado, and everyone is focussed on the software side of the equation, but has anyone given consideration to the rumour circulating about Scalado enhanced hardware in the upcoming BB10 devices?
MS' only hope to get numbers up will be by claiming market segments currently being occupied by the like of BB. Stitchng them with licensing or Patent bans via their new NOK proxy is a great way of hurting your competition, or at the least making some $$ of them..
As for the WP8 announcement, there goes what little revenue Nokia were hoping to make out of WP handsets for this year

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M$ <=> m@ke$$h!t
be honest with yourself ;)
Win doooooz <=> Lost DOS

you know what DOS stood for at the company m$ bought it from, 30+ years ago, right?

EDIT: you understand who Flop is, don't you?

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Guys this is just too good it's like this guys are so used to screwing people that are now screwing themselves too

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that's why
i mean, did you even only look up the guy's Wikipedia page?
one can't help wondering why he had to leave m$, but maybe his being CEO of NOKIA is the best insurance against being acquired by m$... no matter what, they don't want him again >¦-))))))))))))))))

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What was the current Lumias all about? Nothing more than big scale effort to get the app count up for WP8. 100 000 apps wow. For this Nokia has been ruined.

I guess one can argue that this also makes WP7 worth while, the apps are there, and if Nikia had continued its old path it would be a total gonner. Maybe. But thry have been dishonest with the entire mass of end users. And I mran everyone, from old die hard Symbian fans, maemo fans and new Lumia users. It's not like they didn't have the opportunity to confirm earlier that Lumias could not be upgraded. They dicided to keep everyone in the dsrk, to keep everyone hoping, believing. Everyone has been abused, pawns in Elops plan. Now it also makes sense, from an Elopian point of view, why the N9 officially disappeared from the line up.

I hope as many as possible purchase the 808, the N9 and any other old style Nokia. I am simply too fed up with Nokia right now to even consider the 808 myself.

The cold hard truth is that is Nokia had gone woth Android instead of WP, then Maemo/meego would still be alive and in excellent shape.

WP8 may live on for all I care. My future will be Android from now on, or any other cool os that may pop up.

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*sigh*

My mystified take: http://post404.com/2012/06/betrayal-...h-the-surface/

(don't be surprised if this thread gets moved to Off Topic at some point)

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agree with your post (except maybe for the ANDRoid only part, but that's a matter of personal preferences) as far as we, Maemo users are concerned.
even though you should keep in mind that Maemo always was & still is a "R&D project", not a commercial product...
i was referring to the millions of Symbian users that mostly saw NOKIA as a synonym of "mobile phone"...

EDIT (to Texrat): that is what Flop destroyed, ruthlessly & purposefully.
sick bastard
and with that he caused more damage to NOKIA then iOS and ANDroid together ever could have...
"the mole was the mole :eek:"

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Even though I understand what you're saying; it's seriously a waste of both of our time since regular English would be advantageous to both of us. Sorta like using abbreviations and it takes longer to explain the abbreviation than it takes to use it and assume that all are as clued in as you.

Flop, one letter off yet rather clever. M$ - well, we're not talking about a company that's worth less than Apple, Exxon; a whole different era now.

DOS = disk operating system. I knew that. I'm old enough to remember it, not so fondly.

The rest... I'm an old MCSE that didn't get re-certified because I just really didn't like that world. But I know that world. Just not the slang you're using. Never became my part of my vernacular.

Microsoft. Say it with me. Micro. Soft. I knew you could </Mister Rogers>

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the only reason why m$ actually exists is because 30 yrs ago, Big Blue was too lazy to develop an OS for XT/AT/PC which they thought would only be a couple years worth fluke, after which everyone would come running back to the mainframe & co, horrified by the "cost" of "personal support"... :eek:
well, sometimes even "Big companies" miss it, don't they? :D

Dirty Operating System...
not old enough, apparently ;)

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I doubt it! Reference, please? Peter Norton never mentioned this.

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MCSE? Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert? :p

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Loved it. Always like your blog posts, Randall. Keep up the good work, sir :)

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"Since this was presented months ahead of actual product release, Microsoft essentially osborned Windows Phone 7 device sales."

Too true. And guess what?

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I don't get the mentality of people who think something is obsolete just because it can't run the latest version of some software, as if the item suddenly loses all functionality. Also shame on MS marketing for calling the update 7.8 instead of 8.0. Why did they do it? It's like they were asking for bad press. "WP8 coming to existing phones, only features missing are the ones not supported by the hardware". Isn't that what's happening, except it's called WP7.8?

Also, I used to think that blogs like Engadget and Gizmodo were very biased, but last night I made the error of reading something from cnet. Holy ****, not only are they extremely biased, but they even seem to spread disinformation deliberately. I can't help thinking that what they're doing is illegal, and I'd like to see Nokia suing their asses.

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Microsoft FUD is working on you actually.

The features missing are not merely hardware related. The windows core has changed, it's not changing for WP7.8.
Part of the reason for this was so that porting Windows 8 apps to WP8 is easier. Porting apps to 7.8 will remain the same.
What that means is WP7.8 is not going to get WP8 compiled apps even if the hardware supports it. The developer would have to target it specifically and most will most likely not bother. WP7.8 is a legacy device now.

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1) Microsoft existed before IBM gettiong the OS contract with IBM. About 5 1/2 years, in fact.

2) Wasn't really a question of Big Blue being lazy. The PC development team were specifcally tasked with getting the PC to market as quickly as possible, and decided to source various components, including the OS, from outside vendors to achieve this. What they really wanted was CP/M, which they tried to commission from Digital Research. And what they ended up with was 86-DOS, which was API compatible with CP/M

3) DOS never stood for Dirty Operating System. QDOS (which later became 86-DOS), however, did stand for Quick and Dirty Operating System, but you can't extract just the DOS from there, out of context.

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This is based on what? You can't write apps in a language both WP7.8 and WP8 understand? I understand MS introduced new options for languages, which I assume e.g. big game companies will make use of, but those little apps, which make up the vast majority of the market, I tend to think will be written as now also in the near future. So perhaps in a few years the balance will tip, but then I guess it's time to upgrade anyway. Not that I know anything about software development. Also, didn't Nokia do this very same thing with Symbian and Maemo quite a few times? Except Nokia did it worse. N900 can't run N9 apps, and vice versa. At least WP8 devices can run WP7.5 apps, which I think is quite good indicator that it will not be difficult to write apps for both versions (as long as those apps don't specifically make us of the hardware enhancements)..

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Don't try to argue with him, he's totally entrenched in such "M$" thoughts & terms, in fact it's his life source :D

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Gates bought DOS from a software programmer who originally called it QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) and it was meant to be crude knock-up OS with a crude text editor called Edlin and a simple 8.3 naming convention.

However this survived as MS-DOS for umpteen years before it was replaced by Windows which originally ran as a program under MS-DOS.

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Based on the fact that the core has changed, if developers were expected to write for WP7.8 then there would be little reason to change it to a Windows 8 shared core. At this stage MS have confirmed native code support is NOT supported by WP7.8 so no you cannot write code in a language both WP7.8 and WP8 understand. Some (I expect a lot) will write native code for WP8 and WP7.8 will be sh*t out of luck. If you believe otherwise then good luck.

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I guess it would be even further off-topic to ask where DR-DOS falls on this discussion.