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GrimyHR 2012-08-24 03:45

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MSameer (Post 1255064)
DSP is bundled with the whole soc.

Why is VAs dsp better ?

A lot of improvements could have been done but you know what happened :(

what dsp you get in the soc depends on what gpu is in the soc, so by nokia choosing a shitty gpu for 2011. you also get a shitty dsp
vias dsp is better as it obviously has a better architecture as it plays any 720p video withouth a problem on a much lower freq and probably with needing much less juice
and consider that vias soc is low end and cheap

ibrakalifa 2012-08-24 04:00

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Can we using extra decoders from n900? Noob question , sorry

GrimyHR 2012-08-24 09:58

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1255156)
Can we using extra decoders from n900? Noob question , sorry

what would you gain with that? n9 and n900 mostly play the same videos, a sad fact since n9 is 3 years newer device

alternatively, someone could port tcpmp since it is open source and i think that **** plays any video smoothly on any hardware

trayhoper 2012-08-24 10:09

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
It's software issue , nothing to do with hardware.

P@t 2012-08-24 10:14

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
in case it helps...
http://www.gnuton.org/blog/2011/11/g...1-2-harmattan/

MSameer 2012-08-24 10:25

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1255154)
what dsp you get in the soc depends on what gpu is in the soc, so by nokia choosing a shitty gpu for 2011. you also get a shitty dsp
vias dsp is better as it obviously has a better architecture as it plays any 720p video withouth a problem on a much lower freq and probably with needing much less juice
and consider that vias soc is low end and cheap

There's always a software part. A poorly written piece of software can bring the most powerful hardware to its knees.

Not that N9 is the most powerful hardware ;)

GrimyHR 2012-08-24 10:30

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trayhoper (Post 1255224)
It's software issue , nothing to do with hardware.

nokia n9 dsp cant handle 1080p and that is that, pure hardware issue
you can play it over cpu but that will be either really slow, or the player needs heavy optimisations(read:image degradations and frame dropping) like tcpmp does on symbian and windows mobile devices

i really dont know why are some people making this kind of claims when it is clear that they dont really know what they are talking about

GrimyHR 2012-08-24 10:37

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MSameer (Post 1255228)
There's always a software part. A poorly written piece of software can bring the most powerful hardware to its knees.

Not that N9 is the most powerful hardware ;)

yes, naturally there is a software part, but no software can make hardware limitations disapear

ibrakalifa 2012-08-24 11:00

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Extra decoders support make stok video player on n900 can play almost anything, flv file for ex , n9 stock video player cant handle that, cmiiw

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-24 11:10

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1255223)
[..]a sad fact since n9 is 3 years newer device

2 years younger (and slightly less even).
But yeah... sad still

erendorn 2012-08-24 12:01

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Oh god.
Quote:

Originally Posted by some clueless dude
I've seen this play that and that play this, so the truth is that bla bla bla".

No.
The truth is as GrimyHR said.
Decoding of a video stream can be done:
- By hardware, ie by the GSP chip. In such case, the chip can decode smoothly anything it has been crafted for, almost independently from the CPU/GPU power. To add new formats, you need to change the chip (ie you can't). The N9's DSP can do h264 decoding up to 720p base profile, and nothing more, it is written in its specs.
- By software, ie using a codec. In such case, you are limited by CPU power. A dual core 1.5GHz Atom CPU cannot even handle 720p, so there's no way you will get the N9 CPU to do it (nor any other embeded ARM soc probably). With the good codecs, the N9 could display HD videos, but certainly not above 5 fps, which would make it completely useless.

Conclusion: no 1080p video on the N9, end of discussion.

jotoco 2012-08-24 12:25

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1252802)
808 Pureview wants a word with you

Yeah...

my 808 could play some 1080p WMA that my PC (AMD A-6 + ATI 6750) struggled with in VLC (Media player did fine here), and some core i5 didn't have the horse power to run on any player.

HELLASISGREECE 2012-08-24 12:53

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jotoco (Post 1255261)
Yeah...

my 808 could play some 1080p WMA that my PC (AMD A-6 + ATI 6750) struggled with in VLC (Media player did fine here), and some core i5 didn't have the horse power to run on any player.

A 1.3 ghz cpu , a pretty capable gpu & a dedicated camera cpu along with the optimised S/W (Symbian) do the trick.

ibrakalifa 2012-08-24 12:53

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
I dont give a s**t bout 1080p, can we dream bout 720pall profile?

Sniper_swe 2012-08-24 13:26

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
nitdroid plays hd vids much better then harmattan. In harmattsn they dont even start but in nitdroid it does play hd but with some stutter. So better support in harmattan seems to be possible.

I will try more in Nitdroid to see what vids work and does not.

erendorn 2012-08-24 17:16

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ibrakalifa (Post 1255266)
I dont give a s**t bout 1080p, can we dream bout 720pall profile?

Possibly, if you're very good at writting SoC drivers, or have enough money to convince them to port these ones. (N9 has OMAP3630 Processor with IVA 2+ video chip)

99.999% a dream though.

Fuzzillogic 2012-08-24 18:10

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
So it is possible, by combining CPU + DSP power. They even have a GStreamer plug-in, so it says. But I wonder what this will do with energy consumption, as not only the optimized DSP is used but CPU as well...

isfr21 2012-08-24 20:33

Re: Nokia N9 video codecs required to play 1080p
 
Yeah also realized nitdroid plays most vids. I have to play them in the mob player app though using software decoding.


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