Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

I would get a Windows Phone if at least that stupid piece of OS supported background sockets. If you run an SSH client in a Lumia 920, and switch applications, you lose the SSH session (it disconnects). How lame is that!!!

Not even Android and iOS that are terrible OS's do that.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Already have a N9, and not too keen on buying a phone with a potato OS and an abysmal amount of good games.

If given the money I'd just buy a Note 10.1.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

I won't buy any other phone again unless it is N900 successor :p

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

I already have an N9, so Lumia 920 for me!

Plus, the yellow and red = beautiful.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Ask for it, and you might get it. Like Bluetooth file sharing. Counters App. Network Data offloading. Its software, it can be changed.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

I think you should try a wp7 in the store or from a friend first.
I think when it comes to speed you'll definately notice the improvement compared to the n9.

Wp8 will only be better.

Totally depends what you want with your phone.

I am most likely exchanging the n9 for a wp8 (lumia 920).
If i look at all the features that come with it out of the box (kids corner, data sense, wordflow keyboard), and how its integrated with social networks, email, calendar, skydrive etc. wp8 would be my choice.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

How is that bad? I mean, it's nowhere as good as old Symbians but on comparable level with the latest (I can only compare to E7 and C6 and the battery life is quite similar)

N9 battery lasts way longer than any Androids I have used... for iphone I cannot say by myself but I have heard they are not so good on it... for Lumia 920, who knows? It's impossible to say yet what the battery life will be but considering faster CPU and larger screen I am fairly sure it's not remarkably better than N9.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

In my opinion it's really a simple choice:

Wich phone will solve your needs, of a mobile device, best regardless of specs, OS and brand ;)

Dousan...

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

It's Microsoft, it won't be changed!

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Nice going by supporting Microsoft. I rather see Nokia die than succeed with WP.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Settings -> device -> display -> color profile -> subdued. There, fixed it for you.

As for the original question: I'd only buy an N9 if it's cheap. With no support and old hardware even I find it hard to justify to pay the same as current high-end hardware. However, I'd not buy Windows Phone. It's so restricted it will affect everyone, even you might not notice it at first. But there is (and will be more) useful functionality which could be implemented by developers, but simply won't be allowed to by MS.

Example: yesterday I did an apt-get install python3 on the N9. And presto, I can run python3 code. There is no Python in WP and I don't think there every will be, as it would make it possible to install and run apps NOT bought from Microsoft's app store.

If my N9 dies, I'd use the N95 or even Siemens S55 I still have and wait for Jolla's device to emerge, before deciding on a new device. (which of course won't be WP nor iOS)

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

My next phone will be an LG Nexus 4 assuming that Jolla don't come out with anything decent.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

i would love the nexus 4, i may even give android an unbiased shot, but without an SD slot or atleast 32gbs, its pretty useless to me

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

:rolleyes:

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

N9 ofcourse

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

just added darkidiot to my ignore list... ¦-)
already have a white N9
wouldn't get another one, though
NUU minikey kbd makes it bearable, but it works too flimsily to be a valid alternative to the N900 :(

EDIT: thus, yes, waiting to see what Jolla comes with...

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Nexus 4 is missing FM-radio, microSD-card-slot and removable (replaceable, spare) battery.
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_4_e960-5048.php

That's why I rather have Galaxy Note 2. It has a better hardware and Samsung's own additional software and extra software related features not in the stock Android are rather good.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

I don't get why so many people have to be so hard core one sided.

I have a Galaxy Nexus, Nokia N9 & Lumia 800.

Which do I prefer? All of them depending on what I will do for the moment.

For surfing the Nexus because of its bigger screen and its extremely smooth and fast surfing in Jelly Bean. It's lightyears (slightly overdone) faster than the N9 when it comes to surfing. I hate surfing on the N9 compared to both Lumia and Nexus. Android is also extremely open and can be more tweaked that MeeGo. Also a lot easier to tweak without risking a brick. The community/developer support is nothing short of amazing.

The Lumia is excellent when it comes to navigation. The GPS always locks in 3-5 seconds and Nokia Drive just works very good on it. Socially it is a very good phone too. Some smart solutions that makes sharing easier.

For multitasking N9 for sure. Can't be beaten. For fun factor it can't be beaten either. The camera is lightyears better also. But the N9 feels slow and unresponsive in comparison (opening apps mainly, not to multitasking with of course) with both Lumia 800 and Nexus. Jelly Bean on the Nexus is fantastic. So smooth and pretty fast.

Windows Phone I prefer when I want style and a modern OS to look at with uniformity across the system. It's also even smoother than Jelly Bean and very fast and quick but also limited as we all know. Specilly multitasking.

For audio I much prefer the N9 as it has a very good sound chip that beats the hell out of the Nexus when it comes to audio through the 3,5mm jack. Excellent quality in my Audio-Technica M50 headphones.

Bottom line. The N9 is a fantastic phone but starting to get behind. Really. People need to be more open minded and see the advantages of each system instead of just bashing them because of personal grudges about a system and whatnot.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

i won't say you are comparing pears to apples even though the analogy might even apply considering the difference in build quality and functionality...
rather, and to pick up on darkidiot's analogy comparing Ferraris and Yugos you are comparing... the most recent Toyota Auris with a 5 to 10 years old Golf :eek: of course the 1st one is going to be faster, more economical, roomier, more comfortable and all :rolleyes:

maybe you should compare NIDRoid running on N9 with Harmattan instead?

about dark device versus N9... obviously both are NOKIA, so we are indeed comparing apples with apples :cool:
as to the performance, can't help feeling you are comparing a Golf with... a Lada?
maybe you forgot to release the parking brake in the Golf? or stuck in 2nd gear maybe?

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Galaxy Note 2

And if there is choice only between N9 and L920... then buy N9 or better wait a bit for Jolla...

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

in fact, an independently of the fact that Android is not in the OP's list of devices, the N9 has both, indeed.
if you have three devices, do you have three SIMs as well? :confused:
switch SIMs? :eek:

the N9 gives you the best of both world, the functionality of the NOKIA devices (HW + SW) and whatever you feel ANDroid is bringing you.
:cool: :D

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Yeah I know it's like comparing apples and oranges but my point was rather don't be loyal to one brand/OS only and bash all else like a fan boy or something. Some talk about other operating systems like utter crap while in fact all of them are good in their own way.

I have ran Nitdroid for a while. Choppy as hell on a N9 as project butter won't work. Voice calls don't work but that's kind of expected. It's nowhere near as smooth on a N9 as a Nexus. Apps seems to run well though. It would be useful for me if the headphone jack worked so i could play emulators but they just won't work unfortunately. Nor does charging. Hopefully fixed for future versions.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

And yeah I switch sims! With the N9 it's no problem since I can insert it with phone on and active it without reboot.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

which version of Nitdroid did you run / how long ago was it?
i'm asking because one of the reason for me to get a N9 was to run Nit. better then what it does (not :mad:) on the N900...
seems the install can only be done by using ½ of the home partition :eek:
on the N900 it is possible to resize MyDocs & adapt boot menu accordingly :(

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

I honestly think both cost more than they're worth. And traditionally I've considered Nokias to give the most features per dollar. Not so much any more.

In my country, the Nokia N9 is now more expensive than the LG Optimus 4X HD. That's just weird.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Installed latest alpha5, like two weeks ago. It was alright except the choppyness, loss of headphones & charging and voice calls. I tested FPse emulator, ran as good as on my Nexus in software mode. Titanium Backup worked like a charm. Copied over my backup folder from my Nexus to Nitdroid and resuming them into Nitdroid worked as expected too.

Headphones works on older builds based on ICS instead of Jelly Bean. But that was even choppier and more buggy overall. Not very usable. Emulator didn't work well either. Will have to rely on future alpha releases. It has a lot of potential for sure.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

To Lumia 920 or not to Lumia 920, that is the question posed . . .

Well, today I learned that the Lumia 920 is shipping unlocked to Rogers in Canada and . . . wait for it . . . it is pentaband after all!

http://www.tmonews.com/2012/11/nokia...and-after-all/

This means that T-Mobile USA customers should be able to use it, and its fastest hspa+ antenna (42 Mb/s download). Not having to switch to AT&T could change the analysis of some people . . .

Also, it looks like the price of the Lumia 920 will be about $550, as opposed to $650, so we may want to factor in lower cost, too.

As for the the beloved N9, I WOULD HAVE TO ANNOUNCE THE N9 AS THE PERFECT DEVICE if we could either (1) run all Android apps that could be run with our single core device via a compatibility layer (i.e. most single-threaded apps) or (2) have a fully functional Nitdroid experience by correcting the last few issues and polishing/simplifying the whole process. Happily, I have re-gained lost hope that this could happen since I have been delighting in running some Android games on my N9 device via latest tweaks and efforts by THP, Schturman, and many others, though I don't know everyone who helped. Proof? Check this out--it's time to celebrate:

http://i.imgur.com/5Vi1L.png

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

N9 over any lumia ANYTIME, ANY DAY.
i can deal with lack of mainstream apps, or slugishness or a even a dead platform rather than buying into a locked platform with nothing much to do with the tweakability. WP is like iOS' brother, just with no-apps.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Before you express your biases, anyone in possession of Lumia 920? I am curious how it performs and how well is multitasking as compared to iOS

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

iOS? multitasking?

which one are you talking about?

[1] true multitasking , freeze the app the in background until user close it
[2] partial multitasking, demonic demon will auto-kill the app in the background whenever they wanted to

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Hmm... I thought WP has one of the fastest growing app market and is one of the fastest growing mobile Operating Systems :o

EDIT:
Source

And this is what Forbes gotta say :o

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

If you can find an even smaller new OS than Windows Phone, then that's what's growing the fastest.

Oh, and Windows Phone growing? Not for Nokia, at least.

Lumia went down from 4 million to 2.9 million last quarter. It will be growing once the Windows Phone 8 numbers are in, but first they've got to ship them.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Interesting user reviews :D

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Those reviews are actually quite pathetic in the sense they list cons of a device still give it a 5-star rating...

Wasn't the lumia 900 also well-received in the Amazon user reviews and how did it fare?

The problem with the lumia series is not the hardware usually but the limitations of WP which put off people...Let's see if WP8 helps in this regard but I'm slightly pessimistic on it...

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Since I can't vote for what I want and I suppose I speak for many here:

I would buy the mixture of both N9 and L920 for 400 + 650 USD = 1050 USD.

(for the record, the OS should be Maemo Harmattan, display and camera L920)

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

The reviews that start dropping in before anyone even have gotten their hands on a device, those reviews are how trustworthy? How worked through? *shrug*

Wait until people actually get the device, and start reading their reviews then. I believe UK sales start was Nov 2nd? Anyway. Anyone with an usage opinion now is either connected or premature.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

One of my central problems with the Windows Phone 8 story as it is related in popular media--and even tech-sites and blogosphere sites--is the story that there are approx. 120,000 WP8 apps in the app store. I find it misleading because those are the same WP7.5 apps that they've been been counting all along, almost none of which can exploit the dual-core capabilities of the WP8 OS.

The WP8 ecosystem should be reported as, "There are 120,000 WP7.5-era apps that the new OS is backward compatible with, as well as X-number of applications developed specifically for WP8 that exploit the OS's dual-core capability. Older apps were written for the single-core 7.5 version of the OS."

This may impact the votes on this question, since most of the apps for WP8, as of right now, would still be single core apps--just like the n9.

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

And again, do you need those apps? I cannot really belive that the value of a device is dependent on the amount of apps that are available on some store for its "ecosystem". Granted, there are some applications that I would like to see on any platform but mostly those tend to be the ones that do exist already on all of the platforms.

What I value is a device where it is easy to use and build your own software. Where it is easy to transfer and use the files and media that you use.

Think about apple devices, you would need the toolchain that requires apple tools and apple computer to build software. On top of that you need an apple developers licence or it's no go.

On the windows devices, you similarily need the toolchain; developer studio and an windows computer to run it on. Similarily you need developer lisence to get the applications to run on the device.

On symbian devices to develop software you need development environment that runs on windows or linux. Granted you need windows host for compiling the final binary for symbian (or so I have heard) but you can run the simulation also on linux.
No need for developer lisences to run the sw, however.

On maemo&harmattan devices you need... Well whatever you want to use, really. There is not that much restrictions to development, you can use a IDE or commang line compiler as you like, no lisences or restrictions whatsoever.

What do you think I prefer :D

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

I fully understand why a developer would prefer the N9. I even understand why a user would. I've got both an N900 and an N9, so I like the spirit and software produced by developers of every level. That said, I have to take issue with the "apps don't matter" or "apps shouldn't matter" lines of argument.

I know you understand why all of these companies seem focused on ecosystem quality and why the number, diversity, and quality of software applications available on a given device delivers value to users of that device.

Apps provide value!

Apps make devices more useful, more fun, and more relevant. At the foundation, every developer needs to thank goodness that apps do provide this value, because that's why both pro and amateur developers are paid--whether they are paid by fee or by donation.

Diversity of app ecosystem is key, because--just like you--many people enjoy some apps, but the trick is that they all have different preferences as to which apps they like to use. Thus, if you want to sell many units to a broad market, you have to cover many different apps for all types of taste. That's understandable, right?

I've got an N900 and an N9, so like I said, I like the spirit and software produced by developers of every level.

You raise a very good point--there are costs and other requirements related to developing software. And, an ecosystem that is good for users by setting high standards and expensive development requirements may not be good for developers who don't want to pay for all of those requirements.

That said, you see why I fully understand why a developer would prefer the N9!

So what about developing for Android as a solution? There seem to be few barriers there, and Xda Developers, for example, seems like a robust community of developers to me. And I read that 75% of smartphones that shipped last quarter are running Android. What do Harmattan and Fremantle developers think of developing for Android?

Re: Lumia 920, or a new N9 which would you buy?
 

Ahhh, android, I somehow just missed that on my list.

Yes, the toolchain is verstile, and you can run it almost on anything. What puts me off android is the requirement to use java :)
I like to code in c, python, shellscripts... I see it as a limitation that you should only use one lenguage/environment.

But yes, android is not the worst environment to build to.

About the bit of ecosystems, the importance of that is paramount to the device/OS manufactureres who control the shops that people use to buy the applications. See like microsoft is trying to get into the game, first nudging people towards their app store model in windows 8, later surely enforcing it when there is enough momentum.

For the people who develop apps as their main income, that is of course nice, it's easy to get your SW there and after the lions' cut the app store takes there is still something to put bread on the family table.

I write code (amongst other things) as my job, but "users" never see any parts of my work even though I belive that every day you use a functionality I have created. At least I hope it's totallyt transparent, as otherwise it will end up as a bug report on my table sooner or later :D

For the code and applications I write as a hobby, I have never been paid a cent. (except when I was in college more than three decades ago... I used to get free beers for writing other students homework) That's fair and OK as for a hobby you would rarely expect to gep paid anyways.