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don_falcone 2013-01-06 14:35
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1311515)
thats one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard, I have a facebook account, why? It's free communication since my social groups decided to leave MSN messenger from back in the day.
That, with high probability, just means you are more of a follower-type person; Going with the flow, and so on. Instead of making up your own mind about things if they are really easible, even if that means resisting the direction your group(s) or society takes, or making life not easier. Oh, did i mention that the most outstanding word / reason in your reply was "free"?

abyzthomas 2013-01-06 14:57
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
It is a choice. If you want to use it, have at it! Go vote.
If you don't want to use it, don't. But how do you vote?

Facebook is a proprietary solution and a company that claims that they are open and unlike, sure not showing that. They are just following like every other company out there.

N9 was not sold with a requirement to sign up for Facebook. So, how did they come up with the assumption that everyone who ever bought N9 will have a Facebook account. Or change the heading to "How many Facebook users still use there N9"

This makes me wonder if Jolla only care about followers and proprietary solution users while acting like a "Open" company. :mad:

Dave999 2013-01-06 15:02
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Have they ever said they are open? All they are saying is that they are unlike. They could be totally closed, even with mer. We have to wait and see. Don't like the smell of this.

helihyv 2013-01-06 15:18
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
There is no such poll on the official Jolla facebook page ("Jolla")... "Jolla Mobile" has one, but it is a fan page.

MarcAnton 2013-01-06 15:20
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HELLASISGREECE (Post 1311492)
I have a N9 but do not use facebook
agree
I'm unlike too, also don't use fb ;)

sorry jolla

mariusmssj 2013-01-06 19:22
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1311541)
Have they ever said they are open? All they are saying is that they are unlike. They could be totally closed, even with mer. We have to wait and see. Don't like the smell of this.
Highly doubt they can be closed with mer as mer public to anyone. I've talked to quite a few of Jolla staff on the IRC channel under #JollaMobile, plenty of Jolla guys participate in talks in #Mer and #NemoMobile channels as well.

Dave999 2013-01-06 19:36
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1311621)
Highly doubt they can be closed with mer as mer public to anyone. I've talked to quite a few of Jolla staff on the IRC channel under #JollaMobile, plenty of Jolla guys participate in talks in #Mer and #NemoMobile channels as well.
I don't think they will be closed. They are unlike...

But i don't think they are open either. They are unlike...

Opened, closed, open, close. No we are unlike.

What's open?
What's closed?
What the hell is unlike?

One man's open is another man's closed. So what is it? And how?

mariusmssj 2013-01-06 20:35
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1311624)
I don't think they will be closed. They are unlike...

But i don't think they are open either. They are unlike...

Opened, closed, open, close. No we are unlike.

What's open?
What's closed?
What the hell is unlike?

One man's open is another man's closed. So what is it? And how?
I do agree with you there is a massive lack of information that we are getting. Slush event did shine some light on the Jolla and SailfishOS but not enough to actually define what they are doing or what's their real purpose. There are so many questions unanswered.

Looking back at Ubuntu phone announcement the same day they announced the OS is the same day they shown the interface and even game some starting tools and images. While Jolla been on the scene since June? And we still don't know much.

But at this point we have to deal with your worst enemy Dave: TIME!!!! We'll just have to be patient and wait

m4r0v3r 2013-01-07 02:33
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1311537)
That, with high probability, just means you are more of a follower-type person; Going with the flow, and so on. Instead of making up your own mind about things if they are really easible, even if that means resisting the direction your group(s) or society takes, or making life not easier. Oh, did i mention that the most outstanding word / reason in your reply was "free"?
Well what photos and information I've put on there facebook can have :) While going with the flow is what I did, it seemed to make things a lot easier in the long term when I had to communicate with people so at the end of the day if it works why not.

To the matter of facebook, we'll you can make an account with bogus information that facebook can't really do much with. Wow such a simple answer for such tech savvy people, surely it cant be right...

Akkumaru 2013-01-07 06:44
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
I've lost a lot of my hope for Jolla.
1st: They haven't been very public, very quiet.
2nd: They're OS seems very, N9-like. Off course it's nice and minimalist, but I prefer more desktop-y.
3rd: They like hippie SOCIAL NETWORKS. Blrrgh.
4th: I am impatient. WHERE IS THE SDK or more OS FEATURES?!! (officially)

Thank you for reading.

_David_ 2013-01-07 11:51
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Jolla will not be supporting N9 themselves. Sailfish is also partly closed source.

But Sailfish will run on Mer, so if N9 will run Mer, it will run Sailfish.

However, apparently GPS and camera remain closed and don't work on Mer.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/3203...al_comments=26

Dave999 2013-01-07 11:57
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by _David_ (Post 1311853)
Jolla will not be supporting N9 themselves. Sailfish is also partly closed source.

But Sailfish will run on Mer, so if N9 will run Mer, it will run Sailfish.

However, apparently GPS and camera remain closed and don't work on Mer.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/3203...al_comments=26
Can't read facebook. please copy and paste?

zlatokosi 2013-01-07 12:49
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1311512)
And what about the odd users like me who do use Facebook and Twitter?
I think you are pretty well supported, everywhere in fact.

But that has nothing to do with alienating everyone else who doesn't use Facebook or Twitter (and I assume MANY/most Jolla enthusiasts don't give a cr*p about FB...).

zlatokosi 2013-01-07 12:54
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1311720)
To the matter of facebook, we'll you can make an account with bogus information that facebook can't really do much with. Wow such a simple answer for such tech savvy people, surely it cant be right...
Yes, but that would be "illegal", and waste at least five minutes of my time. Refer to my previous post.

MINKIN2 2013-01-07 13:12
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Can we please get off this topic of who uses face book and why? This irrelevant to the thread title.

Also, for the benefit of those who do not have an Fb account, if anyone decides to repeat what they have read about Jolla on that site, can you please check that the information is accurate with the source and not just lift the FUD/Mis-information from a fan page.

thanks

_David_ 2013-01-07 13:19
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1311857)
Can't read facebook. please copy and paste?
Can't blame you, FB is evil. I thought that thread was public.

Bernd Wachter (separate comments)
Quote:
While it'll be trivial to get Sailfish on N9, _full_ support is unlikely to happen. There are a few bits missing support (i.e., either binary blobs, _compiled_ for sailfish, or complete reimplementation), including GPS and camera.
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Booting Nemo (what we're using as base) on N9 has been solved long time ago. There is no additional magic involved in getting Sailfish to boot. However, some parts of the hardware (like GPS and Camera) don't have opensource drivers, and I'm not aware of anyone working on that currently. Considering it takes serious development effort to get those running it's unlikely to happen
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as a Jolla engineer I can tell you that that's unlikely to happen (though not impossible, if community does some serious hardware hacking for Nemo for the missing hardware parts). It's true that it will be trivial to make most of the features working on N9, but not all. Right now I don't see enough community involvement around N9 development to get it done, thought that hopefully might change after release
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There will be _no_ porting of Sailfish done by Jolla. There is however lot's of Jolla involvement in the Nemo project, including some parts of the Nemo hardware adaptation for N9. That's what you could use to boot Nemo on N9 for over a year already, it's just not suitable for end users. Sailfish can sit on top of an unmodified Nemo hardware adaptation. So if anyone is interested in making Sailfish work better (or support more bits of hardware) he should just head over to the Nemo project now, and start hacking.
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Like I said, the tricky part is the hardware adaptation, which is completely coming from Nemo, and is something that has started back in MeeGo times under Nokia already
Bolded text above for MINKIN2's benefit

I also forgot to mention Sailfish apps will be compatible with Nemo, if the Nemo team wish it:
https://sailfishos.org/wiki/QA

Pkatt 2013-04-12 07:54
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by _David_ (Post 1311853)
Jolla will not be supporting N9 themselves. Sailfish is also partly closed source.

But Sailfish will run on Mer, so if N9 will run Mer, it will run Sailfish.

However, apparently GPS and camera remain closed and don't work on Mer.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/3203...al_comments=26
In the video demo from MWC2013 with Jolla CTO Stefano Mosconi he uses the camera, so i think camera works?

mrsellout 2013-04-12 08:15
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Was he using the n9 or n950? I've not seen a video with the n9 being used to demo Sailfish, although I may have missed one or two.

Pkatt 2013-04-12 09:03
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
It's a N950 for the demo, here is the Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVQVtiL1os

Pkatt 2013-04-12 09:05
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1335597)
Was he using the n9 or n950? I've not seen a video with the n9 being used to demo Sailfish, although I may have missed one or two.
he is using a N950 for the demo

here is the Youtube link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVQVtiL1os

NokiaFanatic 2013-04-12 09:07
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pkatt (Post 1335595)
In the video demo from MWC2013 with Jolla CTO Stefano Mosconi he uses the camera, so i think camera works?
The Jolla team will have access to the Nokia closed source repositories that are responsible for hardware integration. They obviously can't make these available to the public as this is Nokia IP, but I am sure they are happily using them for development purposes.

nokiabot 2013-04-12 09:29
Re: sailfish on our n9/n950 thingy...
 
if it was so the n900 had got them leaked by now:) mabe someone leaks them on git:D


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