I saw that in MeeCatalog most probably. It's named AirUI plugin

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Just you wait!
In 2 more years we might see 4K (aka UHD) on 4.7in devices :eek:

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I cannot understand your point, do you mean that in two years time my naked eyes will be capable to see more than 300 dpi? Or the mob screen will be 13" by then?

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No because its relatively easier to increase screen resolution on mobile screens at a much cheaper cost than on televisions/monitors.

Coupled with lack of differentiation, screen resolution is taken as the easy factor to push people to upgrade...

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Indeed it's a very good selling point

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As i stated above smoothness and speed makes ios better in user experience. and it does make difference when you use both operating systems at the same time for long terms. Most people prefer ios over android because its simply slaphappier than android. Also idevices have a way better screen in than any android device in my opinion because it has high refresh rates and that makes the ui transitions, scrolling etc. very very solid. i also stated this before and hope that jolla uses similar screens.

i don't agree this im sorry. how does android get better in personalization? The only place where android gets on top is that overclocking the device is easier and you can build custom roms and kernels which is unnecessary with those monster spec devices in my opinion.
just get your iphone 4s and type springtomize to the cydia search bar if you have jailbroken it and take a tour in that app and see which parts that you can change on the phone only with that. jailbreaking definitely levels the competition.
just giving examples here:
You dont think there's enough options when you long press a file? install action menu.
you're annoyed by in game purchasing? install iappcracker.
you want to customize you're keyboard but ios doesn't have it? install color keyboard.
you're bored of the lame homescreen transitions? install barrel.
you want to add toggles on your notification center? try sb settings or nc settings.
you want to have ipad/n9 like gestures? install zephyr.
the list goes on...
so if your concern is bigger screens then you should use android but it doesn't make them any better in personalization. it's a personal choice and i respect that. for me, screens that are bigger than 4.3" are unneeded unless you're using a tablet. ios maybe lame without jailbreak yes (can't use it without jb) but i will argue all the times that it will become better in most aspects after jailbreaking it.
you can even turn the ipod touch into a phone with the help of jailbreak.
also they have custom themes and launchers via springboard and other apps.

i never mentioned about the apps/games and i hate to compete os's by the amount of them but if this is the point, android has more apps and games than ios at the moment. but what about the qualities of them? we always make fun of how the apps are fart apps and lame but today they even have high quality fart apps unlike android. and by the way, they found a new way of installing paid apps free without jailbreaking the device. i think credits goes to the chinese jailbreak community 25PP.
one more addition: try real racing 3 on the iphone 3gs or iphone 4 and then try it on a similar spec android device. ;)
no. it's not always wiser to go for android unless you don't want to go mad with all the crashes and bugs or you just want to feel like a power user. ;) also, it's not always a wise choice to buy an iphone if you don't know what to do with it. or you are too much prejudiced to say that how ios is just closed, lame and iphone screens are too small.
you are using an n9 right? and saying that android is better than ios? really??? as far as i know the n9's os is also tight in most parts and the screen is 4". it's pretty much an iphone'ish device. how can you tolerate your n9 then? how did you used the small screened symbian devices?

well, same old iphone is still selling even if they failed with the maps and the removal of some core apps.
same point. you are using an n9 and complaining about how the battery is unchangable and the lack of memory card on the idevices? isn't that ironic? i have never changed any of my phone's battery yet. how do people manage to kill a battery that fast? if you need more memory you can simply buy the high memory versions of those devices which samsung gives that option to the customer also. also n9 has the 64 gb version which is the one im using.
i have an ipod touch 4 and an n9 for my daily usage and im ok with both of it. i dont need an extreme android device to fill the spec and feature gap because simply they both have the capability of what android achieves. i would prefer symbian. and i'm making these comments based on my experience with both operating systems as a user. so far, ios is doing good in the competition with just 3 or 4 devices facing dozens of low and high end android devices if you ask me.
im not trying to convince anyone. if you're fine with android, you're fine. it's not my concern. :)

anyway back to topic.
the device is not innovative for me but it will probabbly sell just like galaxy s3 or maybe more. this is because samsung has increased it's brand awareness just as much as apple (imo it's becoming apple'ish) and normal users will buy it just because it's brand is samsung. they will probably use this awareness with selling their new tizen devices and they will sell well also. marketing rules. :/

by the way i want to ask again. it has been told that the device will come to the US with snapdragon 600 chipset. does this mean they won't ship the exynos 5 version to the US? does anyone know anything about this?

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Artyom,

My statement was how my Android devices are faster/smoother whatever than the i4s in my house. I said after a point it doesn't matter because in some cases one device would be faster and in others the other. Now how you got this to mean the iphone is faster i don't know.

The rest of your issues I can just put it into one sentence "You have no clue of what you can do on an Android device because you haven't used one for an extended period of time".

You ask me how I "tolerate" my N9? Heck, I use multiple gadgets so must I choose which ones to tolerate? I love the N9 doesn't mean I don't know how to recognize other devices and what they can do for me or allow my techy side to use more than 1 or 2 devices.

Your whole post is like a promotion post done by regular iSheep so I won't even bother explaining things to you. Remember your post was asking me to explain to you because you supposedly wanted to learn.


You want to get on topic? There are rumours albeit very strong ones about the Snapdragon going into US market instead of the Exyons chipset mainly due to the availability and spectrum bands differences. Remember the S3 had something similar too with the S4 Dual-core and Exyons quad-core?

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if your android devices are faster and smoother than your iphone i would like to see a proof of it. especially for the "smooth" part.

really? i don't have any clue? same goes for you then cause you simply don't have any idea of what a jailbroken device is capable of.

if im the "isheep" how come i preffered an n9 over iphone 5 which i could buy one? or how come i never used an idevice rather than an ipod touch? or how come i'm still using symbian devices? please tell me more about how im being an apple fan and you not being a fandroid. yes, using multiple android devices definitely makes a difference.
and please dont explain more cause i'm sure that my explenation is enough for both sides.

by the way, thanks for the reminders, i'll consider buying a exynos 5 version of the sgs4 and learn "more" about android.

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"The device isn't innovative to me".

The iPhone 5 bought in a SoC that only matched the competition. It increased the screen size slightly, but also increased the phone. It reinvented nothing, except bring pre-existing innovation from its competitors (ie LTE). That wasn't considered a evolutionary upgrade but a revolutionary one.

The S4 brings in a SoC that decimates the competitors, and what the competitors would hope to bring out in 6 months times. It increased the screen size slightly, while actually making the phone smaller. It reinvented new interactions (Look to Pause, Dual camera, etc etc) and bought in a few pre-exsisting innovations from its competitors (ie Glove Touch, Floating Touch). And people say this is considered as a evolutionary update to the SIII?

--Bias much?

"iOS is smoother than Android"
This is actually a myth.
Lag is caused by 3 factors (Touchscreen, Processor, Software). To solve "Lag Issues" one must tackle the problem at its source: the bottleneck.

You must be asking yourself, with Project Butter on Jelly Bean and a highly powerful Quadcore processor, why does the S4 have any lag?

Well, because the bottleneck has not been solved!

Firstly, the processor.
A 1GHz A8/A7 is powerful enough to churn through gestures quite easily (just see the N9). Making it 8x more powerful in the case of the S4 doesn't achieve anything, really. Its like a sports car with only 2 gears, where the highest gear is limited to a certain rpm (or lets say km/h) adding a turbo charger is not going to make the car go faster because the gear will still be limiting it.

Secondly, the software.
Android had solved a lot of "touchscreen" issues from the 2.x era with the release of 2.3.5
Android 3.0-3.2 were actually Gingerbread with a few custimizations, and it was laggy.
Google only managed to un-do some of the "issues" it created with ICS 4.0.3
...At this stage both Android and iOS were equal in-terms of response times.

So why did iOS "feels snappier" ?
Well iOS has more simpler animations that try to mask the lag. And iOS actually gives highest priority to touch animations, which is why touching the screen has immediate effect but it drastically causes everything else to slow down (eg during Web browsing, Android will seem laggy but it will load contents quicker).

So Google decided to tackle the issue head-on and with Project Butter.
It has imitated iOS by trying to mask the lag with faster and more extensive animations and refresh rates. So as far as the software side is concerned, it isn't the bottleneck anymore.

Thirdly, the Touchscreen sensor.
We don't need to assume it, or deduce it... we actually know it.
Even with impressive software and hardware on the iPhone we still have "perceivable lag". Currently the iPhone 4S, is rated at 80-85ms, has the least lag (faster than the iPhone 5/Nexus 4's in-cell touch sensors). Compared to the Galaxies of 95-100ms (as explained before, the software prioritization affects it slightly).

The Touchscreen Sensor is the source or bottleneck of perceivable lag in these high-tech-high-end devices. We're actually using pretty old tech in these things, and they're rated only as fast as 60ms. Making these things more sensitive to touch would hurt the experience than anything else, as it would make gestures erratic and prone to picking up accidental actions. Throwing more power at these things is also not a solution, as the sensors already suck up a lot of power... it just wouldn't be theesable on a mobile device.

What this means is we need actual improvements within the touch sensor itself, and to make it faster without compromising much. I believe when we hit the 40ms mark, things will be very very sharp.

Forthly, how fast is fast?
The human eye detects changes fractions slower than 1ms, but the sending of this data and processing it slows it down drastically. We're talking between 10ms - 20ms. (note humans don't detect visual data by a fixed rate, but by a response time to movement).
To illustrate this; most professional formula 1 racers have a response time of about 110ms, a human blinks at a speed of 150-200ms. I can remember when such response times were “pretty fast” on computers.

MS Research lab illustrates my point much more conveniently by video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4

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Furthermore, to illustrate:

There is always a delay!

From when you touch the device → make a gesture (tap/swipe) → the touchscreen detects the touch → the touchscreen (does some processing) → and forwards the data (total >60ms)

→ the central processing unit receives the data → it munches through the data sending it through different channels in the software → the central processing unit induces a response (total >10ms)

→ the response goes to the proper destination (ie screen) → user sees the response happening (total >10ms).

(Grand Total >80ms)

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thanks for the speed explenations but i never said that iphone 5 or other idevices were innovative. why do you people keep assuming that im an apple fan? im just at the user side of this. im using an n9 for daily usage and don't have any iphone's. yes both the phones aren't innovative for me. convince me otherwise and i'll stop using my n9 and buy a sgs4. do you think they are as innovative as the n9?

im aware of the application opening speeds but how do you explain this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHL95iUC4tw
as you can see it opens fast and it's smooth with low spec. so your statement does not apply for all situations. ios may lag behind the scenes but they managed to hide it good and it doesn't stand out too much.
its not actually a myth. android is laggy compared to ios and meego. try to compare an iphone 4 or n9 with a similar android device. (lg optimus black maybe?)

and thanks for the informing post. im sure that android will improve with project butter.

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When comparing phones don't forget the laws of physics. For example there must be a reason why nobody has put even a quad core processor in a 4" device. While most of us geeks like huge screens, there are many people that reject most phones as too big right away, and the very rapid increase of screens the last two years doesn't help (not enough people around carry 5" inch phones to make it feel less ridiculous) so Apple decided to stay at 4", and probably was forced to choose a dual-core due to heat/size/battery. Look at the GS3 mini which obviously is targeted exactly to the people wanting a not-so-huge highend phone, it's dual-core with a not so high GHz count. I bet that Samsung crammed the best processor they could in that phone. (I suppose that's why the Note always had a bit higher clocked processor than the equivalent GS)

So saying that the SoC of the iPhone isn't impressive might be unfair for Apple as it would be unfair for Samsung to say SoC isn't impressive because the i7 in my ultrabook is faster.

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what did you expect? almost every app and game firstly comes to ios i can't interfere with this. showing core apps would be less objective than showing same games or apps on both platforms and even if it's poor coded on android the galaxy s3 has 3 more cores to catch up unlike the iphone 4.
it doesn't have to be an iphone, i know that you can give clear examples from your n9 and your android devices. if i had a daily usage android device. i could proove it.

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WTF??? You really mean that or are you just trolling now? At this point it feels like you need to brush up on your knowledge quite a bit before making such widely inaccurate statements.

Number of cores can't really compensate for poor coding! I can code a pos and 100 cores won't make it work if my software can't utilize anything properly. Also its a game; a poorer GPU would make a difference too!

Wikipedia has a nice explanation for you:

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then maybe they should work on optimization instead of bringing more cores! that was my goddamn point!

you're actually saying that sgx 535 is better than mali-400 mp4??? really??? thats an iphone 4 not a 4s! ffs!

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You're kidding, right? In your own words, the GPU in the A6 decimates any other GPU on any SoC. This year phones have finally managed to keep up with the release of the Adreno 320 and guess what, the SGX544MP3 inside the Exynos 5. As for CPU processing, the A6 has more than enough for native applications unlike Android which requires higher power for that Java crap. And in your opinion, why does the iPhone 5 still destroy any new Droid, such as the Xperia Z, One, etc at web browsing, with that measly, pathetic CPU? Beats LOGIC!

How long has the iPhone 5 / A6 been out for? It would be a sad story if the S4 / Exynos 5 didn't manage to overtake it.

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And let's not forget, the GS3 has a Cortex A9, which is supposed to be 20% faster clock per clock compared to the Cortex A8 in the iPhone 4. So, a single core (1.4GHz) of the GS3 is double the frequency of a single core (800MHz) of the iPhone 4. And it has 3 more of those ;)

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I don't get what all the hostility in this thread is about, seriously.
Well, the SoC inside the iPhone 5 is only equivalent to the 1.5GHz Dualcore Qualcomm S4. The GPU is equivalent to the Adreno 320 found in the Quadcore S4 that arrived on the market shortly after.

I'm not debating anything at all, the iPhone 5 managed to match the competitor's hardware... it didn't surpass it.

The SGS4 on the other hand is far advanced that the competitors won't be able to catch up at least until 6 months or so.

I never said which one would preform better, did I?
No, I just stated which was making leaps in technology. As far as I'm concerned, the iPhone 5 may perform much better than the SGS4 because its natively coded!!

Oh, and the reason for the comparison was to show how biased people really are. When Apple does little, it is praised as a revolution. When Samsung does a lot, it is scrutinized as not enough.

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Yeah it was AirUI and the other MyMoves for virtual phone remote, that's right!

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Why we are comparing it with apple? We are talking about S4 and it is becoming Apple vs Samsung. :(

On topic.. 8 Cores CPU @ more than 1.2 GHz, 2GB RAM, 4core GPU, Full HD screen.... Do you really need it?? If yes, for what? It's a phone ultimately and rest all are added features.

I don't need that much on my PC yet.. we have a life to live as well...

That is why I loved Nokia, they never gone for specs.. and that is why I have an N9. However I do agree some of the Nokia phones are underpowered but hey it do most of the things.

Me too going off topic :( so I would like o summarise by saying that this specs race will end sooner or later and its better if company like Samsung and Apple should concentrate on innovation and new ideas.

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then this debate is over with your own words.

if you have read a tiny bit of my posts and this one you could see that i never praised anything about apple. just tried to mention that ios is more optimized than android. so as meego!

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I've used both, I disagree.
Ever since Android 4.0.3 (and higher) and devices with Dualcore A9's such as the Gnex v 4S.

No, its because people are taught the iPhone is the best phone, and all the marketing drives that point in.

There's nothing special about Apple's screens.

Launchers, Widgets, Live and Interactive Wallpapers, Web Browsers, Different Keyboards, Themes, Gestures, Shortcuts, Alternate AppStores.... these are things you can do without r00t, right out of the box which iOS cannot. There's much more that doesn't even come to mind, and we take them for granted...

Overclocking is not a toy, its a solution to solve performance issues. A solution that wont work for Android, as performance issues (in new phones) are usually the result of the software (3rd party). Undervolting (and Govs) on the otherhand are a good solution to increasing battery life.

Custom ROMs are for "experts" to customize their operating system further. What you're forgetting, is that not only custom roms, android phones can have custom os's like: sdkAndroid, chroot Ubuntu, native Ubuntu, Ubuntu for Phone, FirefoxOS, WebOS, MeeGo, Tizen.

It does some things, but not most of them. Besides, jailbreaking is like a game of cat & mouse, sometimes you won't be able to do so for several months until a kernel bypass/exploit has been mapped.

I disagree. People shouldn't choose Android simply because a 4in equivalent isn't there. Android has lots of features that are useful for many people.

*SMH*
Well, would you agree that a 4.5in device is better than a 4.3in device if both are the same in dimensions?

No you can't. You also need the hardware for it.

It doesn't. Apple AppStore has more titles. I find them as better quality too.... yet there's so many which are repetitions and merely Mobile Web Pages converted.

This point made laugh. And fart. And decide you were biased.

Native vs Emulated code.
Customized vs Universal code.
That's like asking which cake looks better, generic one that you bought from the supermarket or one that was custom made from a cake shop bakery.

People are using phones far more often then they used to. They prefer the experience with more radios/gadgets inside and a larger hidef screen. And for more power hungry tasks like Web browsing, Gaming and sometimes multitasking (listen to music, while reading news/puzzles). That's why the puny ~1,200mAh battery which was "heaps" is literally nothing... the industry wants ~2,000mAh. And some OEMs putting even more to satisfy consumer demand.


It was merely the tone, and misinformation that depicts you on the contrary/

This is what I was trying to settle in my previous post.

No doubt.

This is because the US versions need different LTE bands, and they have CDMA frequencies. Internationally, a regular 3G on GSM is what people need. Besides, Qualcomm chips are cheaper for Samsung to push out... especially since USA (one of the bigger markets) tends to buy them from Samsung at subsidized prices.

Not really, you've been talking it up while trying to bring down Android whenever possible.

The optimization MeeGo does cannot be compared to iOS.
Ofcourse iOS (3rd party apps) are going to be more optimized... they're written to the specifications of the device. Unlike Android where they have to be as broad as possible to ensure functionality between greater number of devices.

Hence, writing for iOS is more simple. Even simpler in the case of the N9.

Sigh, another Android vs iOS. Let's just agree on each to their own :cool:

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Hey don't want to get in Apple vs Samsung war. :mad: But its quite enjoyable reading it :p

My question is which android phone can run MeeGo? Really interested to know it as I would like to check how it responds to better hardware.

Cheers

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seriously, why are you interpreting my posts to your taste and claiming that i'm biased to android? im dont even have an iphone i said this before. it is clear as a day that android has performance issues and cannot work with low specs probably related to dalvik vm.

what about single core cortex a8? im not a fan of high specs so im using an n9 at the moment.

same goes for samsung then because obviously the reason why android's market share is high is samsung.

ios is closed and apple is foolish enough not to bring all those features to it's os out of the box. that's the reason jailbreak is out there and covers all and more that you've said. android is open source and google is pushing as much as features to bring more users to android. of course you will have it out of the box. just like symbian we all used a while ago.
so it doesn't get better in personalization.

i've seen lots of people using it just for fun and there is also no need for overclocking on the n9 or the idevices. android still has performance and battery issues then.

i made my point pages ago but you just can't stop comparing android and ios in all aspects. not all android phones can have them. im not even gonna argue this since im not comparing ios with android.

it does most of them. you can customize every single bit with jailbreaking. also you can get a shsh signature and stay at a lower firmware and stick with the existing jailbreak instead of waiting it.

yes android has lots of features but for which phone? i don't see all android phones having all of android's features. i personally would choose symbian which spares most of it's features on their phones if i needed lots of features at one phone.
im assuming that even apple will join the big screen rush some day.

how did you come to the conclusion that i've mentioned bigger screened devices are better devices? using smaller screens is just my choice, not everybody's.

yes indeed. you need a case-like hardware. i already said "with the help of jailbreak". not only with jailbreak.


*cough* ahem. Android.

i was just giving examples of how the apps was in better quality. don't make it a big deal.

you should probably write this on the comment section of every vs. videos on youtube then.
how does it go universal? just because there is lots of different hardware? some apps and games are made for specific hardware in android also.

by killing a battery i meant droping it's performance. of course they should put bigger batteries instead of forcing people to change them.
i use my n9 every day with browsing, sms texting, music and etc. it lasts one day which is pretty good for a guy like me whose phone is glued to his hands.

which tone? the one you're using to accuse me for being prejudiced against android? i don't think so.

yes, of course what a shame for me not to say that iphone is innovative. i definetely mentioned that yes. keep going please.

hmm, so there is a possibility that unlocked devices will come with exynos 5? i will be visiting the US at june and i was actually thinking to buy a sgs4 for a tablet-like usage.
but after this frustrating debate i don't feel like buying one.

no, i was trying to avoid to get to the point where it becomes apple vs. google.

for god's sake who is comparing them?
they did a great job with n9 just with 3 firmware updates. they are optimizing ios since 2007. also android is there for a similar time. maybe app developers should spend more time on android than they do with ios then? since they don't bring only one version. there are lots of apps and games that are for specific devices and hardwares.

if im an apple fan you are twice times worst than me. if you like android this much sell your n9's and go post at xda. i would never choose any overrated android or ios device over my n9. and it's my choice.


not for all devices as far as i know. recently they've managed to work it on the galaxy nexus.

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have you heard about Cyanogen Mod? It is a good choice and it works for example for Galaxy S3, and will be "ported" to Galaxy S4 also (of course).

Besides, I think Android is more open source than Maemo5 used to be.

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PACMAN ROM = Cyanogen + AOKP + Paranoid Android.

Cyanogen (clear, distilled, powerful AOSP-base)
AOKP (based on AOSP, many customizations built in)
Paranoid (Per App Density, Per App Color, etc etc innovations).

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I haven't claimed anything.
Why are you accusing me of saying such things?
Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

Btw, I prefer the MeeGo (v1.2 not Maemo6) Operating System above Android and iOS. But that doesn't mean I can't be objective and state where the competing ecosystems have innovations and downfalls.

I think you've gotten "hot headed" because of these quotes:
"The device isn't innovative to me".
"--Bias much?"
"iOS is smoother than Android"

Those weren't directed at you. If it was, I would've quoted you, don't you think so?

No I was refering those because I hear it in real-world and see it online. People claim iOS is smoother when realistically its not.

And if you go to The Verge and read some of the comments made by the fanboys, apparently the SGS4 is only a minor upgrade to the SGS3. Yet, they claim the iPhone 5 is a major upgrade to the iPhone 4S. When you compare them... the S4 has made more upgrades and innovations in its lineage than the iPhone 5.

Skeptics say that this year, the SGS4 may actually outsell Apple's next iPhone. I say its very possible.

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@Kangal I am not taking side but it seems you are getting to much into Android vs Apple war... Why?

To be clear on what basis I am saying so. You have ignored my post where I am asking about meego running on android phone. Its OK you don't have time or not feel like replying to that but hey you have posted such long replies Artyom and this thread is now a place to discuss which is better Apple or Android instead being about Galaxy S4.

Please can you both leave this and discuss S4 in more detail as that will help in making this thread helpful for community.

Cheers

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Truth is, it wasn't always that way.
Say, the N95 and the N900 were "beasts" in their time.

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Agree... But its not like all there upgrades are centred on the Spec.

Its necessary to upgrade the hardware with time but I was pointing towards what Samsung with there Galaxy Series and other Android manufacturers are doing is something not required at all. (Octa cores cpu with quad core gpu on a mobile device :confused:) But hell it sell like hot cakes distributed for free. :cool:

I liked Apple's approach (people I said "approach" ONLY in regard to there updates on hardware & software) that they do update there hardware but optimize the software to it.

Cheers

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Pretty impressive!

http://www.androidauthority.com/sams...bility-171650/

I wonder if Samsung has got this really working off-line:

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I'm sure sumsung are in for some success. So far none of you argument or suggest or point out anything else.

Fire...:confused:let's hope for some octa and LtE for note3,and a big hdef screen as well.

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Ok, sorry about that I saw it but I forgot to reply to it (not that I didn't have time).

Firstly, its not even worth making a point that Android devices run MeeGo.. simply because the MeeGo that people concentrate on is the original open-source one (v1.2). The reason I say this is because this version is the last update we received, afterwards they didn't release the rest (I know they're holding back code) and the project was abandoned by Nokia and Intel. So you could say this is MeeGo in its alpha stage (pretty bloody impressive for an alpha!!).

Nonetheless, this is NOT the build found in the Nokia N9.
The N9 has Maemo 6 (codename Harmattan), its not MeeGo despite the label.
It's like* "halfway" between Maemo 5 (N900) and true MeeGo (v1.2). Similar to comparing Android versions from 2.3.7 to Android 4.0.0. Harmattan has some sources, but it isn't open-source, so we can't actually port it to other devices.

However, what we do have are similar open-source projects such as Mer, Plasma Active, and openSUSE ARM (I'm not sure how community friendly Jolla's SailfishOS is going to be). They're all on-hold or moving at a glacial speed. These projects can be ported, yet they lack support which is why you barely see them being ported.

Anyways here's some Android devices which have MeeGo ports:
The Beast (HTC HD2)
Nexus One
The Gigangantic Streak
Original Tablet 7in
Advent Vegeta Super Saiyan
Viewsonic GTab
Nexus S
etc etc etc.

Obviously some are unfinished projects, and could be hard to Google. I suggest stalking these threads:
http://forum.meego.com/index.php


As for your other comment, I haven't stepped in the Android v Apple debate.
They both are great in their own ways, and they both suck in their own ways. I simply tried to clear up some misinformation and got flamed for it. I've left the discussion, I'm not sure if Artyom acknowledged anything I posted. Its clear he has a greater hatred for Android than iOS (and some of it was misplaced).

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Kumary check out Plasma Active on Nexus 7. Very impressive performance.

HELLASISGREECE, the funny thing about the N900 is that it was the first phone to adverise the cpu Mhz so actively. It is probably still the only phone with the SoC designation printed on the case. Then the cpu wars started.

Another fun trivia is that long before dual core became the norm Nokia understood the benefits and they put two processors in the N95. And then for some weird reason they decided to remove one of them and the GPU for the next generation of devices, just when SoC's started to become important. And with that they shot their N-Gage platform in the foot. Same with dpi, N900 had 265dpi in 2009. (Not to mention 770 200+dpi in 2005)

Returning to topic, the GS4 seems to me like an unneeded incremental update. Neither 1080 seems worth (nobody could notice the pixels on the GS3 anyway, and I'm a big fan of high resolutions, but 450dpi is getting ridiculous. It doesn't have a stylus probably to make room for the new Note, but 5" are more than enough for jotting. Battery life story reminds me just that of the old laptops: just self preservation of stupidness. Manufacturers saw that the competition all had about 3h of battery life and thought that was enough. ********. It took *one* laptop to take the mark to 7h and start the race. If they kept the thickness at the GS levels and had a 7000Mah battery lasting a week, that would be innovative. The software is just those gimmicks that are cool for a keynote but will never be used. I can pause the video myself I don't need eye tracking technology, not to mention it has a very high probability of the feature beeing annoying just like a multitude of other "smart" features. Not that I believe the iPhone 5 is innovative don't get me wrong. The N95 was innovative in it's time, the OG Note, the R380, the qTek 2020, the HD2 maybe, the Omnia HD, the original iPhone, even the 808. The GS4 can't compete with those devices in any way regarding innovation.

Re: Samsung Galaxy S4
 

Well guys, if you think the S4 is just a small spec bump, then YOU SHOULD WATCH THIS VIDEO.

Hint: it's not about the spec bumps, it's about the features targeted to average people... Make sure you watch the whole video to understand them better.

To paraphrase Marques: "I want the phone that can do magic tricks"

Discuss...

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No replies...? This is not what I expected from TMO.

Come on, I know some of you can counter the arguments in the video!

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also thedead claimed that i was an isheep. but im not gonna argue these anymore. i made my point and thats it.

very good decision but i will wait for sailfish devices to come with my maemo 6/harmattan preloaded device for now. same goes for me.

yes they were directed at me. not consciously maybe but i made those statements and i will stay behind them. the overall smoothness on usage is better. i don't know maybe they use the gpu more efficient. but i will agree that it does freeze or the apps crash when the memory isn't enough on older generations. even the app store crashed on my ipod 4 recently due to low memory. if you have a older generation iphone (iphone 4, 3gs etc.) check the logs from the settings.
anyway gs4 isn't an innovative device compared to what n9 brought to the smartphone world. it's just another mainstream android device which is more powerful as expected. i never even mentioned that iphone was better innovation. i don't even think that iphone's are innovating anything. maybe the 4s model was a big jump compared to the 4 MAYBE.


Well i thought the 4s was a major device actually. i hated it when they announced iphone 5. after gs2 Samsung started to add lots of features to their flagships. i don't know which one is a big upgrade and i don't want to know.

indeed. probably they will because they now have enough power for marketing just like apple.

i do acknowledge some of what you've written. i would neither use both of them as majorly or nor like them both but i would prefer ios if there were only the both left in the world.

we weren't even in the opposite sides. i just commented on gkhnkrts7's post whom disappeared after i quoted him.

anyway i will be seeking a 5-6~" device for tablet usage when i go abroad and maybe this will be the one.

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How I see moderm smartphone development
1. new specs need more space
2. increase screen size
3. goto 1

This kind of sucks.

to herpderp, I feel like SS just took bunch of favorite apps from stores, make their own version of them and pre-install on the device.

Re: Samsung Galaxy S4
 

Well, Galaxy S4 is smaller in size than S3. But what is good, S4 has bigger battery, which is needed when for example offline speech-to-text (STT) is used.

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3...&idPhone2=4238

Also it is assumed, Samsung's octa-core (4+4) in S4 will consume less power than CPU in S3. It remains to be seen though.