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Somehow I believe 4 weeks of discussions will show us some more ways than a and b, these for me at least do not fill the possibility jar |
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This leads me to just one point: This is the LAST referendum to end them all. No need with the carefully crafted (by)laws of new entities that will not give a F about community vote, they are hasty and needed and stop DOOM and aids, all at once, you guys have no choice. Split the goddamned thing into choices, so people at least feel they have last time power over this (make it so X is included in all choices, so whether they like blue they get green, or yellow (they get green)... DOOM
This is waaay overdramatic, but if the referendum is vote YES or we all die... DOOM is not that far, grabbing popcorn, one sec |
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Ok, last try, simplest terms possible: GUYS, LAST VOTE. Vote YES and you have nothing to worry about till the end of time, the good guys will take care of it. If you vote NO, except doom, you will also retain the chance to vote NO on future absurd ideas, you will have to take care of yourselves though
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Ok nobody wants to see stupid arguments being made so I'll cut things short to move discussion forward:
With the above done now the tl;dr of having this referendum from what I understand is:
Now if someone wants to correct my misconceptions PLEASE keep it short, simple and concise. |
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concise version: the proposed changes do not change anything regarding referendum requirements
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I gave people: A. Background information for how we got to the need to do this: this was always intended, it wasn't made explicit last election, one of the Board claimed this Council was only the Maemo Community one and didn't count as the Hildon Foundation one as well. B. Detailed and thorough explanation of the reasoning for why the situation breaks down the way it does and what it means. C. Some arguments for why szopin's suggestion that this deprives people of their power is erroneous, arguments that applied even if this effected referendum requirements (which everyone else seems to think it doesn't even do that). Unwillingess to exert the mental resources and time required to fully understand an issue before forming an opinion on it is something I have difficulty sympathizing with. So if some people see what I wrote and decide it's tl;dr, okay, fine, they can read the more concise summaries. But I can't bring myself to express it shorter because then I feel like I am oversimplifying, and then consequently, I feel like I'm doing a disservice to those who do want a detailed understanding. - Edit - Though in the interest of full disclosure I'll admit the amount of sleep I got this week has been averaging to about 2 hours a night. So I probably could have thought of at least somewhat clearer/conciser explanations if I was more mentally refreshed/sharp at the time. |
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The number of times referendums is required is and will be identical, weather you vote YES or NO on this. Nothing in this referendum changes when or if referendums are required. Is that clear? Referendums are NOT going away. They were never proposed to go away, nor do any of the changes proposed in this one cause ANY changes that affect referendums AT ALL. |
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joerg/woody, I think we can easily address any problems szopin has, correct flaws in reasoning, etc, without resorting to ridicule or dropping implicit insults, whether they be at szopin or indirect references to (near as I can tell) Estel.
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On a more general note, I'll have to report further inciting posts for infraction points from now on. One person's joke is an insult to somebody else so why go into it again? |
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beside having thanked him with the little thanks! link underneath his post i would like to thank Mentalist Traceur for his elaborate post!
not only for the sheer effort of typing it out (which many resented, clearly) but also also for indeed bringing up a couple things i wasn't aware of. than again, i haven't exactly followed what's going on here much lately, certainly not after two weeks' ago MCC meeting :mad: this being said, i still feel that all this isn't really worth any Conspiracy theory ;) ideas :eek: :rolleyes: :D after all, even openSUSE is coming with an ARM port, so hopefully we'll soon be able to run any Linux distro on a mobile device :eek: maybe even on our beloved N900s :) thus is there room or even need of Maemo once our N900's stop working? i'll be using it as long as possible (even though i have a N9) but also hope that Jolla will surprise us with a nice device with hardware keyboard :D :cool: so, is all that worth so much, that we need to spend days, weeks arguing about dots & commas, suspecting everyone and every statement of an attempt to a coup? and insulting each others, btw... what's the point in that, indeed :( :confused: |
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Now go ahead, edit this post to stay on topic, and give me infraction points for it BR jOERG PS: the fact that MT brought in usernames here doesn't mean that anything in Woody's or my post been any insulting, in my book both posts were perfectly within all forum rules and didn't call names or even go off topic. The fact that MT instantly came up with an other user's name is sufficient proof that Woody's initial suspicion been a common one not only with him and me but also with MT, though MT - as usual - is approaching it in a much more forgiving way and instead blamed woody and me - if he really did. |
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So to have everything cristal clear - I vot Yes and everything runs smooth as silk?
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i'm going to get even more in trouble and getting more infractions for replying OFF TOPIC, but i appreciate where you are coming from... still, i thing 1440 does a decent enough job keeping posts in line, and as i alluded to in my previous post on this topic, what's the point in insulting other posters? isn't the best reaction to insult (as to trolling) no response? then again, if the insult takes the (general) form of "since you are member of ..., you ..." it is difficult not to react, but at least (as you usually do, as far as i can tell) remain matter of factly, so cool that you can keep a side of meat inside of you for a month or can't even look over your pelvis anymore? i suspect the lack of trolling recently has more to do with the dwindling of interest in TMO then 1440's ruthlessness, but still, correcting the unruly is still the only way to impose any rule, alas... EDIT: Quote:
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Re: [Referendum] [Council] Hildon Foundation and Maemo Community Council(s)
you vote yes and we will try to give HiFo a proper council that this entity is allegedly missing since its own foundation, according to Rob. According to all others involved in foundation of and early instantiation of HiFo the HiFo council is simply adjusting a few typos to make own rules that they have promised to follow are more in line with that HiFo entity's bylaws, so there won't be annoying cumbersome conflicts in future.
For you it's exactly like that: vote yes and everything is more likely to stay as it ever been, vote no and probably maemo will collapse. |
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So NO, not answering to trolling that has potential to give others a false idea is not an option. cheers jOERG |
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of course, you have to give the good example first and post your point with good proof, references and all :rolleyes: :confused: Quote:
'cuz masses are gullible, indeed... :( :mad: EDIT: check my signature... it has been there for months, stating exactly your point |
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What does you make believe it's not woody who tries to comply to my notion? Why do you suppose anybody tries to comply with anybody here? If two guys have same take on something, you instantly start spreading nonsense about it, going insulting and implying rogue intentions and conspiracy again. >:-( |
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who is Woody that we should comply with his opinion. you will hopefully agree that your post quoted (again) above seems to imply only you, not me, or the community in general, does it, now? but admittedly, my post is somewhat sarcastic, so just to make things totally & perfectly clear...
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and, possibly, that rejecting this referendum may doom MO... wonder whether it even takes that to achieve this :( |
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Seriously, just comply! Who are you people?
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case in point, i started this exchange with good intention, trying to calm things down and end up... not caring any more. but hey, i'm only trolling, right? Quote:
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So yep, probably you're only trolling, you posting some funny by being unrelated golden rules doesn't help that fact. |
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Guys, you are reading too much into each other's posts.
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Help....would anyone explain whats dis thread all about ..take a bit time n put a mildly concise note on this:) have gone through the thread n related threads frm couple of years but cant get it:(
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This thread is about a simple referendum that changes rather not-dramatic minor details in the rules that your council is based on, so your council can fulfill its task as Hildon Foundation council. Since such referendum is needed to change those rules, and a referendum needs a 4 week discussion phase before the voting starts, we're doing this discussion phase here, and we basically asked for community input if we have missed out on any implications with those changes that would create problems we haven't seen yet. Alas the whole thread turned into a discussion about conspiracy and an obscure "power-grabbing" - you can safely ignore all related posts, no such thing is involved in the rule changes we are asking community to approve. cheers jOERG |
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^^Thanx for quick reply:)peace in mind:o can u let me know what HIFO is upto . what it aims to be and why it exists .whats up with maemo what the borad is supposed for . Is it all upto setting new servers to keep maemo repos up? Whats the future of maemo after n900 as i see only that running it:)
sorry for bombarding but cant resist myself to clear all these as i was just a user who didnt botherd on all thease . It might be late . Finally m concerned on all thease and wanna see a bright future of the community:) also do post about my writing what mistakes i make is it upto par?? |
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HiFo is http://hildonfoundation.org/about/, an entity founded basically by last council and a few other volunteers to inherit maemo from Nokia, since this can't be done by council due to council lacking a legal status that allows e.g. signing of contracts. Last elections not only elected this council but also the first regular HiFo BoD.
Going into more detail regarding HiFo and your other questions would kill this thread. I'm sure you can find the relevant threads here in tmo via search function, now that you got a starting point. cheers jOERG |
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Have gone through them previously:) anyway i will use the search which i rarely use insted i go though pages routinely:) thanx for all the help
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IIRC this may have been explained already so apologies in advance...
But I once had a higher Karma than I do now, it seems to be missing a bunch of categories that added greatly to it. It may simply be that aspects of Karma are still broken ATM, right? |
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see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89711 - Elections Eligibility Criteria - /j |
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just wondering... I have no karma :eek:
so that means I am not eligible to vote, right... Propably that's okay since I tend to always vote the wrong candidated anyway :D |
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You do, but the Karma isn't being calculated properly (automatically anyway, you can work out your Karma manually using the rules here) , so as Joerg just stated in the previous post, voting is open to ALL community members.
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you are a PR disaster :( :mad: |
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Hi. Complete tangent.
I was asked by an email to come here and find out more about the vote. I haven't been an active member of this community in 3ish years. Heck, I wasn't really active for a year or so before that, but I've been just about completely non-active for those 3 years. Why am I still being asked to vote? I have my reasons for not deleting my account, but it's a bit annoying to get asked every so often "hey, come vote for this project that you aren't involved in anymore, and that might actually be a conflict of interest for you to be voting about*". (* 3 years ago I changed jobs to work at Apple) Did I miss an option in my account that says "don't bug me about voting"? If so, please let me know about it. If not, if no such option exists -- please make one. Yesterday. |
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