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The company will not disappear. This is positive for Nokia, they got rid of Microsoft and can focus on more profitable endeavours now.

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Blame the previous Nokia regimes that led to this. If anything is to be learned keep your house in order, be dynamic, don't rest on old laurels, and keep the dysfunction at a minimum.

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Like rubber wading boots!

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Exactly :D. No seriously, the consumer market is overrated anyway. Its what normal people identify with, thus they think nothing behind it exists.

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It's the best thing overall. Nokia was not a software company and couldn't make money with their biz. Not sure MS would do it better, but they got cash.

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Lumiaman, not so Lumia now, are you?

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Lumias will leave under MS roof. More love and money spent on it. Its a good thing.

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We will see what Microsoft will do with Nokia after buying it, let's see how they'll use it :D

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They have to support it well if they want to operate in mobile space. They are building a platform for next CEO to execute well. I think this was the best move for both.

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Haha... Nokia mobile and service was sold for less than Skype :D great price indeed.

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Nokia will be sitting on close to $20B in cash after this deal. Their telecom infrastructure business is quite strong. They would have no trouble buying Alcatel-Lucent for $5-6B and consolidating the infrastructure business. Markets agree with 35% gain in stock.

Prediction: Nokia acquires Jolla in a year and reenters smart-phone business with Meego!

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Agree. NOKIA spun off dead business and will sail into new and better territory. Good job by the Finnish board members. Elop was a tool to get rid of the old NOKIA, and he played it well. MS gets what they want, and NOKIA gets cash to go their own way.

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NSN had operating losses as late as Q2 2012, if not later. How is that "quite strong"?

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I dont want to live on this planet anymore...

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I would love to see Meego make a comeback, but I am not so optimistic

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It's just people trying to find something positive.

NSN was huge loss generator for years. Lately it has turned into a modest profit generator. Well, at least it has done better than phones under Elop.

Turtles seem awfully fast, if you spend lot of time with snails.

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Everything has to end sometime. Nokia today (phones at least), Microsoft in a couple of years. The good thing: Nokia stock jumped 30%

The only thing that bothers me is I have no idea where to get a cool phone. The only device that is interesting is a Nexus, but a Nexus made by LG? No way.

I have to wonder though, what is MS thinking, I mean really? The poor thing with HW using MS Software is the MS Services. MS keep on making services that is good for MS and bad for everyone else: Win8, Xbox One, Win RT. It all ends up being bad for MS in the end. Nokia (the rest of it) will do just fine now, but MS will wither and die.

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There are so many choices, and glad to see MS getting into it. Buy buying them, they own them and its clear they will pour resources. Hopefully its a good thing for consumers and for the price wars.

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I'd suggest that the Xbox has been rather successful

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sssh... you can't count the XBox since it was a video game system...

At the end of the day, people that didn't see this coming probably rode the Nokia stock all the way down to less than 4 dollars perhaps from higher than 11 dollars.

Anyway, it's a semi-done deal and Elop comes back to Microsoft in time for Ballmer to "retire". This C-level musical chair and corporate takeover will be even better than Silicon Valley Pirates when it's made into a movie.

I can't wait.

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You should realize that Nokia sold off their HARDWARE division and are left only with patents and mapping, pretty much. Part of the agreement is that they cannot make ANY hardware bearing the Nokia name until the year 2016. Effectively, this makes Nokia ONLY a software, services and patent holdings company now. If they wanted to be smart, maybe they would help fun Jolla just to prepare for a PROPER Linux-based 2016 come-back... but after what I've seen over the years from Nokia, I can't imagine there's a smart person left working in the executive roles there anymore.

Let's see if history will repeat itself.

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Agreed. They still seem to be in the mindframe of thinking they can force vendor lock-in and pretend to still be a monopoly. I'm glad that's less and less effective nowadays.

I'd point out that the XBOX has been becoming less successful and losing out to--pretty much everything else (even phone and tablet gaming is giving consoles good competition lately.. and a far more effective bang for the buck).

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AIUI from the press, it can't create any handset with the name Nokia printed on it. It can create Nokia toasters, and also Zokia phones.

And I wouldn't think MS would have bought Nokia ASHA brand for 10 years and Nokia Lumia for 0 (effectively only the current models are licenced) if they wanted to kill it. IMO their intention is pretty clear: sell Nokias to the emerging markets (where the brand is everything) and MS phones to the west.

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I'm not sure of the exact wording of their agreement but I'd imagine that any lawyer involved would have told them that putting their name on a product includes putting ANY name they already have and own, make up or buy from another company, as a matter of technicality. I'm just guessing that, though, but it's typical of lawyers to think that way in writing. Still, I'm sure it might be totally legit for them to invest in something to PREPARE for a 2016 release of a product they can manufacture (for example Jolla, if Nokia was smart enough to plan ahead).

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Sadly, emerging markets doesn't favor Nokia anymore and if that was MS's intention, I'd say it is a fail.

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There, corrected it for you. :D


Sir, you make the common mistake that only HW that Nokia makes is related to the mobile terminal equipment...
That might be the part that is visible to the common man trodding the streets but as of now, that business is pretty much over. I actually agree with Lumiaman on his view on things. Nokia just was not competent on this area, due to mistakes the management and board made so it had to disengage itself from the business before it upended the whole company.

Now it is possible to concentrate on other ventures.


Handsets are just not that intresting any more.


True and good riddance. There's no need to cry over spilled milk, really. What's been done has been done.


Microsoft is desperate to get into the mobile business but I fear they are too late in the game, with too little to offer.


True. And even as I am no gamer and do not follow there things closely I have heard rumours that people are not exactly waiting in anticipation for the new XBOX version... quite the opposite really?

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Right, for third tier manufacturers they're not particularily interesting.

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Sales figured might disagree with you there, as they still seem to be outpacing pretty much all the other form factors--including the newer and now popular tablet market.

Ironically, I disagree. They were EARLY in the smartphone game. WAY early.. earlier than Android, earlier than Apple and only just a little later than Palm and Visor. I think everyone, including Microsoft, is trying to have everyone forget just how long they've really had to get this right. I'll agree that they always had little to offer, though. They never seemed to take it seriously enough. Oh hah! Remember when they tried to convince you that if you used Windows Mobile, foam men would follow you around? :) Seriously. They weren't convincing anybody with these ads, and they're not convincing anybody with the newest ones, and they might even be pissing off even MORE people with their overt, disgusting product placement intrusions in TV shows.

My brother and I have a BUNCH of original XBOX and XBOX 360 all over the house.. I'm not at all interested in the so-called 'XBOX ONE' (such a misleading name). Sorry, Microsoft. You sort of ruined my experience ever since the update to the crappy new Metro menus and the new increased frequencies of crashing and problems that we never had before along with the design-enforced limitations and incompatibility with EVERYTHING else. (It doesn't even properly support DLNA.. seriously? That's a SOFTWARE fix! Not even a HARD thing to fix. Idiots.)

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I think he meant it's not an interesting business, because you'd need to go toe-to-toe with Samsung or Apple, to collect profits good enough to sustain the company.

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Exactly. The handset market is pretty much saturated and it will be nigh impossible to topple the two top players. (there's room for small players though but that's a different story)
This being so, and Nokia not being content to be left as a small palyer on the field they propably thought it's time to cash up and start doing something else.

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So the mole has indeed finished his work and is going home with Nokia's phones.

Some details and comments about the deal:

Trademarks:

Microsoft bought the right to use Nokia trademark for ten years with mobile phones (a.k.a "dumb" phones) and possible also with feature "Asha" phones (not sure).

MS bought both Asha and Lumia trademarks. They are now MS property.

Nokia agreed not to sell phones with Nokia name until 2016. Not sure if Nokia is allowed to in theory sell phones under some other trademark. (Edit: Apparently it can't).

Patents

MS brought license to use Nokia's patent portfolio for ten years, and an option to continue the license them in the future. The patents will remain Nokia's property.

Since Nokia no longer manufactures phones, it is now more free to pursue litigation against other phone manufactures since it can't be counter sued for infringement, i.e. Nokia can become a patent troll. And of course MS is protected from these suits by the licensing agreement they made with Nokia. And since MS is not suing other manufacturers itself, it is also protected from antitrust actions. So Nokia's current patent situation is ideal for MS.

Here (maps and location services):

MS bought license to use Nokia's maps for four years. The deal is of course not exclusive, so like before Nokia is free to sell their maps to anyone else they want (Jolla, for example).

My guess is that MS was not willing to pay enough for Nokia's maps and that's why MS didn't buy them also. And also Nokia wasn't in a hurry to sell them, because maps have been a profitable part of Nokia's business, unlike the mobile and smart phone business. Though I think Nokia is eventually going to sell their maps business, either to MS or some other party.

NSN:

According to the newspapers in Finland, NSN will become the new cornerstone of Nokia's business. Also the possibility for Nokia to use the money they gained from selling the phone business to invest in networking business was raised up.

Nokia's future in whole:

Personally I'm a bit skeptical about NSN becoming Nokia's main business. Sadly I think either someone's going to buy what's left of Nokia as a whole or Nokia is going to sell both NSN and mapping service's and become a patent troll.

Either way, this is and end of an era. Or, more precisely, the last chapter of the end that started in fall 2010.

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That's pretty much the impression I got, jtts. I used the term 'holdings company' to describe what Nokia has mostly de-evolved into. Most people recognize 'holdings companies' as those patent trolls we all want to hate so much for putting up roadblocks to invention and innovation instead of promoting it, as the patent system was intended to do.

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microsoft got to where they are today through bundling agreements.

so, what happens if microsoft bundle various bits of software with their phones?

buy a msnokia phone, get free microsoft office,sql server, etc etc., free windows 8 /9 for your pc, they can give away lots of soft freebies.

i repeat, they didn't get to where they are by better software.