Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

I got only 1 contact that is you @coderus
LOL

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

i am agree with you. But telegram and much more are better than Whatapp.

is it not possible to change the server settings on the client and use a own server with e.g. openfire?

i wich realy that some one can port Chatsecure to Sailfish :/

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@cvp: Telegram is not XMPP compliant as far as I understand, so forget about OpenFire. And their server is not open source, so you can't run your own. Another centralized service in the age of mass surveillance doesn't sound like something to be excited about at all.

People can use XMPP instead of all these broken attempts to reinvent the wheel. I guess some people never learn.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

Don't know if this has already been posted:
Telegram, AKA “Stand back, we have Math PhDs!”

Yay, custom non-peer reviewed crypto! :)
But, well, they know math so everything should be fine, right ? ...

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

Conclusion:

Also, how can we trust anything they say about their servers if they aren't open? Even assuming their security is not broken, an IM protocol which doesn't allow federation is a failure from the start, nothing even to consider.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

dont write crypto review stories, just hack telegram crypto and get $200,000 from durov
https://telegram.org/crypto_contest

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@coderus: Be my guest, $200,000 is useful. Just don't use the service and don't proliferate its usage, because that's already damaging ;)

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

ahah, sorry, i'm not paranoid :D

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@coderus: It's not about being paranoid. It's about damaging others and being irresponsible doing it by proliferating a bad service. I.e. you using it doesn't affect just you. It affects others - negatively.

Here is an interesting article which describes this kind of issue:

http://betabeat.com/2011/12/in-which...g-on-facebook/

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

dont use telegram if you dont want to do.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@coderus: That's implicit. I'm just addressing those who aren't aware about its problems not to use it as well, because it's proliferating non federated, walled and insecure IM service. As if we didn't have enough of them already. It's important to let people know about it especially now, when the service is hyped as "good" and "better alternative" and etc.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

What do you suggest for my not so tech savvy friends & family...
Don't get me wrong i understand your point... i even read the article in your link it.s outrageous!!!

My opinion this is the best alternative i have at the moment..

PS.. i used 1MobileMarket (on my jolla)to install Telegram it,s working pretty well.. can't wait to see a native Telegram app with GUI and a ton of features..

Kind Regards J.Neutron

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

If you can, use any existing XMPP service. There are many servers open for registration (DuckDuckGo: https://duck.co/blog/using-pidgin-with-xmpp-jabber, jabber.org or whatever else: https://xmpp.net/directory.php

Get a client for your platform, and use it. Registering an account shouldn't be any harder than for e-mail and non tech savvy people handle it just fine. Users don't need to be registered on the same server to communicate - that's the point of XMPP federation. Same idea as e-mail. And it's the main fault of Telegram, Whatsapp and etc. - they completely fail in this aspect.

To choose a client - for desktop there are Pidgin and Jitsi for example (and more). For mobile there is Jitsi for Android. Sailfish has its own XMPP client (though it doesn't support end to end encryption so far).

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

May be you should create new topic for advertizing XMPP and let other people discuss about Telegram and use Telegram if they want. By trying to order other people not to use a service you set yourself on same level withFacebook, Google and others wanting to dictate peoples data.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@Penguin: There are topics which discuss XMPP here already. I just posted a warning for users who aren't aware of this problem (and there seem to be many even here). I don't intend to continue it in this thread, since it's enough.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

I do not see any bigger problem there than in federated protocols. Problems are different, but privacy is problem in all of those. Still biggest security and privacy risk is not any specific application or protocol but human.

Yeah, I know many of you disagree, but do not bother, I won't change my opinion

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

Privacy problems can be anywhere in different degrees, but here they are simply very bad. And the fact that it's not federated is the main failure of this thing, even before any issues of privacy. Of course to those who don't care about neither federation nor privacy this can look useful.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

I agree reinvent sucks. If we only talk about textchat XMPP is okey. But when I talk about Instant messanging I take for granten we are modern people who not just want some crap replacement for SMS like whatsup is. Instead I want textchat, voip and possible cam. And also usable at work. Something like skype but better and open.

So there XMPP does not suit well atm. XML itself sucks bigtime and there is no security in XMPP protocol as default. Another thing is voip/camera is not standarnized in those "xmpp/jabberclients", filesharing etc is still no part of the standard that means also those jabber clients reinvent those parts in different way and incompability real PITA :(

So again there need to be something that has all of above not only just text chat function like XMPP or for that matter whatsthrowup.

tox can be something doing all that except it seems protocol is very alpha atm. and documentation is very limited. So lets see...

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

VoIP is standardized (Jingle), support is pretty erratic though. I agree, XMPP has a lot of room for improvement. If anyone can come up with better and open protocol for a federated network it would be awesome.

I'll take a look at Tox, I didn't check it so far. Does it handle federation? Is some reference client / server code open and etc?

UPDATE: Ah, it looks like it's even more distributed than XMPP - it's supposed to be P2P. So it uses no servers at all?

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

Even tox.im is going to require some servers. If not for anything else, then for a tracker to know who is where, just like for data in bittorrent. This kind of phonebook functionality is still required.
XMPP goes past the phonebook requirement by using DNS service records for advertising the server used in the users jabber ID domain, but tox would not have that luxury as P2P users usually do not have access to DNS. (Or it would be too complicated with dyndns to bother.)

In addition if there is no separate common meeting ground outside, with P2P telecom ISP firewalls would kill the connections for inbound traffic (for too many people to be practical). There simply has to be some kind of server somewhere when the client side IP addresses and names keep changing continuously.

I'm all for XMPP, but then again people have to trust the maintainers of those servers, and currently OTR is too damn clunky to be used in daily communications.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

paranoia everywhere! try to read tox protocol about servers.
use goldbug. p2p encrypted connections. no servers.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

So... :rolleyes: When your version is on the air Coderus :)? Name could be Kapulagramma, Puhegramma, Puhegram :p

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

Can't wait to get Telegram for Jolla :)

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@coderus: Relax. It's not about paranoia, it's about advancing federated and connected IM networks, instead of spreading feudal disconnected and walled ones.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@Makeclick i'm not developing telegram for any os finally. ask someone other :)
@shmerl server need to connect peers to peers using id number instead of ip address. no roster/huester data sends to server. and you can create your own tox server in your location to speedup tox network. its open. its like common dht network for faster searching peers

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

Not sure if this fits this thread or not, but since Tox is being discussed... I read this some time ago, and I have no way to make myself an opinion on it. Perhaps bringing it to the attention of people who can understand the technical parts can help me (and everybody else that could need it) to have some clarification.

Is it worth to keep an eye on Tox development (as I initially thought), or is it a project flawed at its roots as the link above suggests?

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@coderus: I wasn't talking about Tox, but about Telegram. Tox has some potential, if they'll direct the project properly it can gain traction.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

I tried to compile the CLI in harmattan, but where to find the correct libs? :)

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

you need to compile libs first

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

Allright, clear. :) Any 'push in the good direction?'

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:...mv7hl/armv7hl/ for libconfig. Rest can be found in the default repositories. Just try to search for the missing packages.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

Thank you well :) have found the other packages in the default repos.

Well, let's give it a try somewhere these days.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

just grab it and compile

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

any new news? :)

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

Unfortunately. There doesn't seem to be a lot of progress considering Telegram for Sailfish OS.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@coders,

Will you accept donations for porting Telegram or TOX to SailfishOS ?

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

@tvicol no, i'm too busy with current projects.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

There is now a native telegram client called jollagram on openrepos/ warehouse :D

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

It seems this is not yet mentioned in this thread:
https://akulichalexandr.wordpress.co...task-overview/

I compiled this for my Jolla and it seems to be working. My skills on writing an accounts plugin are a bit lacking so I couldn't (yet) make the sign in work properly. After some hacking I managed to sign in and send some messages. Group messages are not working, neither does encrypted chats or anything else but normal message to one person.

Re: Telegram on SailfishOS
 

An account plugin for telegram is better than a separated app! that is the right way of doing it. thx