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Anyone want to sell a jolla battery to me or a whole device cheap since I only want the battery? I think jollas sales is restricted by prices and access to parts. It will also affect upcoming sales of new devices.

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Dave, I thought you sold your Jolla already?

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Dude, not my phone! Your Phone :D

I worked as the middle man in that deal, in the shadows, pulling the strings ;)

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I made an NFC payment with my Jolla a few months ago, so it clearly does work.

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There's a wallet app? How? Sorry to ask so many questions; however now I'm curious.

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At least @vistaus claims to have done it.
I have to confess I have not tried but as I said I suspect it is very much possible.

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There's no Wallet app AFAIK, but I did it using the banking app of my bank (which is an Android app even!).

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My understanding/impression was that the phone was basicly just a promo for the Sailfish OS, which they hoped would get some the real manufacturers interested on the platform. There haven't been any takers, so its been a major failure in that sense.

Now for my personal use its been pretty good. Lack of the promised 4G was a turn down for me, until the support was added. Now my only big gripe is the camera, which is super bad and not worth using. Other than that I'm propably too happy with it in the sense that I would not upgrade to a new Jolla phone, unless it had much, much and then some more much more better camera.

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So how did your Android app pick up the NFC? Does it show up as an option within the app? Can you turn it on/off within the app or is it always on?

Thanks in advance for the answers.

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Are u ready to buy anything follow up without thinking twice given the cam is Improved and price is a bit higher? I want to create a poll to see how many jolla users ready to go for an upgrade...

EDIT: maybe OP could add it to this thread?

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It did pick up the NFC. It's an optional feature of the app. Normal payment is going the normal way, but NFC payment is an optional way of paying with said app.

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Well this could be great news. My nfc chip barely detects toh. Can we see video of the payment process via nfc functionality or at least what banking app you used? The app may have detected nfc cbut that does not mean it is useable. Have you made a payment using nfc?

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Quite. There are numerous problems with this claim

1). The NFC ariel is too short range, just as Jolla have stated. People have tested this; you have to remove TOH and press the NFC tag directly onto the antenna for it to be detected.
2) NFC is not exposed to Alien Dalvik
3) NFC is switched off immediately after detecting TOH (there's a physical microswitch that alerts the Jolla if a new TOH is being connected) , so even if statements 1 and 2 were to be false, it wouldn't matter. No NFC is available to Alien Dalvik because the hardware is inactive.
4) The sandbox nature of Alien Dalvik does not give it the capability of turning on (or off) any hardware features of the phone

For simple evidence, just try something like Android's Near Field NFC Tester application (or NFC Enabled or similar) for evidence of this.

I don't know what vistaus did, but it didn't use NFC in Android

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1 It's enough for payment at least. You just have to hold it close.
2 Apparently, it is.
3 That's true for the default setting, but you can force NFC to be enabled all the time via systemd.

I've read multiple reviews on various places and apparently NFC Enabled says "device unsupported" on some devices while it's actually supposed to be supported because it has a good, strong NFC chip. So that's not an accurate app to do the test on the Jolla phone.

Gee, thanks for calling me a liar:( I really did use NFC payment.

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I thought NFC payments had to have access to the NFC 'secure element' either in the SIM card or some internal encrypted secure enclave like Apple have in the 5s/6/6+ ?

I suppose it's quite possible without it and the banking app doesn't bother with that level of security but I don't think I'd trust it.

The few NFC android apps I tried just now all said 'This device doesn't support NFC' when launched. eg 'NFC Sniffer' - http://apps.store.aptoide.com/app/ma...772/NFCSniffer

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what banking app is this??

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If I look at the most downloaded app in Jolla Store the most downloaded app is Android support with 25.000+ downloads.

Does an app download only count once by device/account, excluding reinstallation?
If so it must mean that at least 25.000 devices running SailfishOS do exist.

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As Jolla Oy is a (private) limited company, there are some publicly accessable data about how it is doing, at least up to end of last year:

The table below is from Finnish economic newspaper Taloussanomat:
http://yritys.taloussanomat.fi/y/jol...nki/2399817-6/

http://i.imgur.com/QR8JolS.jpg

Translations:
Liikevaihto 1000 EUR -> Turnover (in 1000 EUR)
Liikevaihtomuut. % -> Net change in %
Tilikauden tulos 1000 EUR -> Net income (in 1000 EUR)
Liikevoitto % -> Operating profit in %
Henkilöstön lukumäärä -> Number of employees

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apparently? What are the commands?Where arethese reviews I have not seen any on this matter? He never said you were a liar. It is just that this is a new claim we wantto verify and we are all interested to know how this works as this is the first many of us have heard such a claim. Plus it would be nice to share how it is done so the community can also use this capability. That is why I asked what banking app you have used for a payment.

Thanks

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Well I have re-installed at least 3 times, so I would expect this to be on the high side.

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This article was posted to Neo900 thread and is also related to Jolla, I think: http://mobile.datamation.com/open-so...ardware-2.html

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I only mentioned NFC Enabled as a possible alternative (amongst many) to Near Field NFC Tester. And, as you can see from aegis' post, there are other Android NFC tools report the same thing.

Regardless, there's clearly something odd going on here if you managed to make an NFC payment on Android whilst nobody else seems able to do very much at all with the Jolla NFC hardware

Perhaps you could share your exact configuration, including the systemd scripts.

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All gone quiet on this thread from vistaus. Shame as i was genuinely interested to see how he had got NFC payment to work. There is nothing on jolla.together or any other Jolla blog to say this has been achieved either :( Not a great example of community sharing of experiences.

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Any updates on ideas about Jola sales to date?
They could not have done too bad if they also release a tablet now.

I am just hoping they sell enough to bring out more devices and have the cash behind them to bring Sailfish to other phones. So far it seems relatively quiet on the front of bringing fully functional Sailfish for other phones in a way regular consumers can live with, or even above average clever consumers.

I am not super optimistic about the whole development. If they sold less than 250.000 Jolla phones it must be a huge discouragement to Jolla as a company.

Any rumours about a new Jolla phone? Tablet came out of the blue.

Well, if anyone has any ideas/indication on how sales/finances at Jolla has developed, I sure would be interested in hearing all about it.

I think something like Maizu Ubunto phone with Sailfish on would be very interesting as well.

Until a viable product pops up I will stick with the still best available mobile device on the marke, the ever beautiful and wonderous Nokia N900. (N9 is dust collector)

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why don't you like n9?? here everyone say different things..

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Simple answer: I really like the n900 and n9 is nothing like it.

don't get me wrong. n9 is still better than most the garbage sold today.

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I second zeebra: N900 is just far more versatile. N9 has a nicer UI for one-handed use and is prettier. But since I use my Jolla quite extensively, I hardly ever use the N9 anymore while I still use the N900.

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I forgot: I also have the slight hope for a new phone. SF OS has matured quite a lot and I now consider it really attractive - more attractive than anything else around. So what is lacking now (notwithstanding systemwide copy/paste and ...) is better Hardware for the phone.

Re: Jolla Sales/Success? Any updates?
 

Jolla is not basically a hardware company: its aim is to licence SailfishOS to other hardware manufacturers. Recently, they separated a hardware arm from the main company as a separate business, although there doesn't seem to have been much news of that lately. (Maybe someone else can correct me if there is news that I have missed.)

SailfishOS on non-Jolla phones is coming though. Here are a couple of pointers:

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news...hs-away-716008

https://www.fairphone.com/2015/10/22...e-fairphone-2/

If you have the technical skills, you could try an unofficial port on other devices, see for example http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=233. This falls outside the scope of what "regular consumers can live with" though.