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you can change the font size [ + - ] from the options menu

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Indeed. But not the font size in the menu itself :)

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Indeed the menu is quite small font.

I only realised it's possible to open more than one terminal window from the menu when I started using SFOS on my Nexus7!
(Fingerterm is really lot better on 7" screen, much easier to type and actually see what's on the screen :p)

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So guys, update 10?

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yes, installed and using it already. very nice update!

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:D funny guy

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he is not joking

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So how to install? :rolleyes:

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You need access to Jolla development repository. :cool:

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MixRadio works offline, hell yeah!

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I like the social feed screen that is shown on the Jolla tablet sign up site. I did think this was going to appear of the phone at the outset but no sign other than twitter. It is one USP the N9 had and was very handy.

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Just switched my N9 on for the first time in months to see what the situation with Nokia closing stores is going to do to it. A: Nothing yet by the looks of it.

I swiped into the Events view and remembered what is so, so missing on my Jolla. Sigh. Sort it out Sailors! I hope we're not going to wait for the Tablet in May for some of those Sailfish 2.0 features.

The N9 seemed really, really slow though compared to my Jolla, even after waiting for it to catch up on everything since August; the last time I switched it on. I also forgot how pretty the solid colours and the inky black OLED screen are compared with Sailfish's transparencies and LCD screen. Oh Nokia!

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Jolla Oy , Where is update 10 ?

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Well the idea is if they can't finalize the update by the end if this week they won't be releasing it.
So if we don't get the update by Friday we will get it only after the new year.

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I also enjoyed that combined social feed in Harmattan. Should be possible to reinvent and even improve upon. While N9 code for that was likely closed they might remember how to do it or steal from Gwibber or something. How I'd like the N9 social feed improved on Sailfish would be the ability to reply or retweet or such without pressing and opening a separate application. We had a statusnet addon written by the community, I could use that again and diaspora would be nice. Maybe eventually pump.io

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For some reason this thread reminds me of this one...

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...e+flash&page=1



lol. Just kidding. Take time and get it right.

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On the exception of course that flasy-10 was never going to come anyway and that's okay since everybody knew that and besides, nobody uses flash anyway.

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Wait a minute! By your highlights are you are implying that

1)The update is never going to come.
2)Everybody really knows that is not going to come.
3)Nobody uses sailfish anyways!

or the opposite?

By the phrase "On the exception..." you must mean the opposite. Whew! I feel better now!

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Agree. It's also in dire need of status / notification bar at the top. Having to half swipe out of applications / swipe up from home screen to see time, date, network info, wifi and any notifications is pretty bad, both when actively using the phone, or it's just sitting on your desk. It breaks workflow, takes time and is totally unergonomic. Only phone that doesn't have this feature, and it's sorely lacking.

WRT to OLED. The new AMOLED on the Samsung Note 4 and Note 4 EDGE is absolutely spectacular, but whilst I loved the blacks on the N9 (and active lock screen), colour accuracy and banding were extremely poor. Terrible as the Jolla's LCD is for a phone of its price in 2014, I'd still take it over the N9's screen. I haven't seen any phones in person using AUO's OLED units since the N9, so not sure what they're like now. All the Chinese phones with OLEDs that I've seen (in person) this year were using lower bin / previous gen Samsung panels; they were very good, but not in the same league as the current Samsung phablets. Whilst a good quality OLED on the next Jolla might be nice, I don't think they have anything like enough buying power to get it at a reasonable price, so it's very unlikely. Honestly, that's not terrible, since a good quality FHD would be a gigantic upgrade from the ultra-low quality qHD screen on the existing phone.

But as far as a new phone is concerned. A friend living in Tampere heard some bad news (rumours) ... they haven't had enough cash and are struggling to develop a new one.

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I can't agree about the status bar. I'd rather have the screen real estate than a status bar full of tiny icons that I can't figure out.

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Unless you suffer from bad eyesight, I can't think of many (any) phones where time / reception info / notifications were illegible. As far as screen area is concerned, it typically takes 1/15th to 1/20th of screen area, depending on size and resolution of the display. I don't even understand the purpose of the lock screen, or homescreen if you want to call it that. It does nothing except display information that a status bar would, except with no global visibility or access. It'd be an immense improvement if it were entirely abolished, a status bar implemented, and the pulley menu was then accessible from the main screen. The latter's only useful feature at the moment is to enable silent mode, whilst anything else can be accessed more quickly from app folders. It's also less pfaff to swipe up from the bottom to access the notification screen than look at the lock screen to see notifications, since you then have to do that anyway to actually access them.

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If they don't announce that it's coming in December tomorrow, it won't be coming until January ... or hopefully no later than January.

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Got to agree with aegis - one of Silica's big advantages for me is that the whole screen is available for applications. No status bar, no soft buttons. The peek works really well for me.

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Maybe if you never receive messages, never move or never want to see the time at the same time as using other apps. It's one of the first (negative non-hardware related) comments that most people who I've introduced to it make. Besides, the vast majority of new phones have much higher resolutions, and a lot of them much larger screen sizes, so pixels / screen area are hardly at a premium.

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I am glad my ignore list is working well.

Now if only:

• The topic didn't appear in Active Topics.
• I could see a generic "Bad news, everything sucks and Jolla is doomed." statement (instead of the post) that would sum it up for me.

;)


In other news, Jolla just closed series B funding round. I wouldn't rush the 10th update if I were them (being a tester of the 9th one).

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Try enabling the LPM Glance screen and maybe you do. I'm not saying the lock screen is perfect as it is, but it's not totally useless, either.

As with the status bar, it's quite refreshing to see a UI where there is no constant distraction hanging in the corner of your eye. Also, the LED is supposed to give you information, too.

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If you can see this message both you and jolla are doomed, plus ignore list doesn't work perfect for you. I have foreseen the update to...
jPhone 14th January 2015,
shipment of jolla tablet 23 May 2015,
sailfish 2.0 12 may 2015.

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Anybody know what Dave999 has been up to? He's on my ignore list but I thought I'd ask. I guess if I don't hear from anyone then I'm on everyone else's ignore list... Kind of like that tree in the forest haiku. Oh dang! Why should I care. Nobody's listening anyways...

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If i wanna read nonsence or brainless remarks i will remove D666 from my Ignore list.:rolleyes:

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Whilst that implementation of a glance screen makes use of the existing lock screen, it is not a raison d'etre for the latter and does not require that one exists (in current form). If anything the N9-like glance screen is an argument for the case I'm making - to have information passively available all the time.

LED can only display some notification / battery status info, and nothing more ... even then, I find its consistency with actually activating itself for notifications rather lacking. Mine has never worked all the time for SMS or Mitakuuluu (RIP).

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Re: the article, they really need some partners who are willing to pump money into the development of Sailfish and its ecosystem. The 'Sailfish Alliance' turned out to be completely hollow, with the hoped for "€200m" funding announced 2 years ago being a complete fantasy. Had they managed to keep some of the intitial partners** and attract actual €€€€, I suspect development would have been much less delayed. Of course, all the delays make partnerships and development funding much more difficult to secure, further prolonging the development process. It's a vicious cycle.

**What you could call the big 4 (ST-Ericsson, Opera Software, D Phone & Tencent) either withdrew entirely or have yet to play any role.

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That's becouse you are ignoring One of nokias most ignored phones. The nokia D666. Simply brilliant. And ignored by most. Maybe the same guys working with sail 10 now, worked with this earlier in the history.

http://g.vatgia.vn/gallery_img/13/lys1370505774.jpg

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I like Jaakko, and some of what he says, but the logic displayed in that particular article is about as wonky and prescriptive as that applied by MS to the UI in recent desktop OS flavours (butchering menus - Start particularly - and Metro).

He even talks about screen burn-in for goodness sake, and moreover it's his first point! What decade is he living in? LCDs don't suffer from it, and neither do recent Samsungs' mobile AMOLEDs nor LGD's TVs (dunno about AUO's OLEDs). Plasma which did suffer, but had workarounds to fix it latterly, has never been used in mobile and is dead now anyway. Emissive Quantum Dot displays will have no problem with burn in either, and they're some years away. I'm certain Jaakko knows this, despite not being a hardware engineer, and he's just hoping to back up a tenuous argument with an impressive technical sounding false premise.

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There is a valid point about the status bar, that is getting difficult to decipherer overcrowded with small symbols, besides in Sailfish the status bar is always available just half a swipe away.

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I've yet to use one that is less legible than some of the status and notification symbols on Sailfish's lockscreen, even in some of Jolla's own ambiences - Snow White is awful in this respect, as an example. Size isn't everything.

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Much as I agree with nodevel that killfiling bluefoot might be good for one's spiritual wellbeing, I must also concede that he has a point. The lock screen is totally pointless. Has been since N9 days. And yes, I dearly miss the permanent status bar with its "tiny" icons. The battery level, the signal strength, the connection status*), those are absolutely crucial in a phone. If you really miss those few pixels, then perhaps implement a UI mod or tweak to hide them, but it is a bad idea to not even have an option to see the status at a glance. Yes, I can learn to live with it, but that does not make it an optimal UI design. You may say next that Gnome 3, Unity or Metro are good UI designs too.

*) Not to forget the little envelope indicating that you have new voicemail messages. The old "dumb" phones considered it important enough to have LCDs specially made with dedicated segments for such icons. But then, we know already that those were better at being phones than the new "smart" devices.

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As far as I can see, both Jaakko and those making an argument for no status bar are happy with the aesthetic status quo, rather than its function or practicality. But a huge, ugly status notification pop-up that obscures the top part of apps and looks completely out of place with the rest of the OS co-exists with this 'clean' design philosophy, specifically because of the lack of a status bar.

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What is the point of blocking screen?

> not even have an option to see the status at a glance
> status at a glance
> glance

Ifreakin love the glance and fullscreen on my reader

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Yes, my eyesight isn't brilliant. I'm shortsighted. I wear glasses to give me good distance vision and I have another pair for working at my computer.

With either pair on I can read the Jolla screen. I have to take either pair off to read a traditional status bar as the focal point on either of my glasses is wrong.

For me, peeking at the status on my Jolla works, especially as it also shows the running tasks.