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Z3, z3 compact, z3 tablet and z3 compact tablet are also Snapdragon 801.

Z1 and z1 compact are 800.

Z4 series seems to be all Snapdragon 810.

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sailfish is so slow be becouse it not possible to set set any shortcut. like if you want to enable 3G and browser it needs four click. easy tasks is soo complicated.

would like option to set 3G when ever browser is open and/or enable disable from multitask menu. could do sonething with swipe in multitask view maybe?

any settings for that exists today?

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use situation apps to automate this process . you could download it from jolla store and download the auto start at boot daemon app for it from warehouse .

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will that be possible to set per app launch or only boot of device?

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I don't know if this is mentioned already, but looks like the open windows stays in place even after switching between apps. And when a new app is opened, it opens as the last one so other apps still stay in place. That is nice.

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Bit new information about next upgrade (and tablet):

https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-iteration-3/

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We are in Talk Maemo.org. Nokia N8xx and N900 users will love to have landscape mode as option in Sailfish OS, both in phone and tablet. Jolla with TOHKBDv2 with landscape mode = perfect !

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Äijänpäivänjärvi :D

(its finnish for bump) ;)

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A lot of details here about future updates:

3/23/2015: Update on Sailfish OS RoadMap

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Thanks - here's the original e-mail:

https://lists.sailfishos.org/piperma...ch/005875.html

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I would much rather see how and what major services like e.g., netflix and chromecast are doing to get their services over standardised and open protocols so that anybody can consume them without having to do anything special e.g., writing a mobile application.

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True, but at the same time. They have both users and something that millions, if not billions wants to pay for. Jolla got almost nothing, just us, a few geeks...are ready to pay for something new...not that useful. .

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Facebook support will be going, or atleast the chat will, through no fault of Jolla that is. While it was a good idea and I loved it with the N900, for some reason I just didn't like it with the N9 and the Jolla.

Mostly because my signal changes frequently between 2-3-4G causing constant disconnections and me constantly having to go on the website to see if I've missed any messages.

Push support would be awesome

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Looks like they are implementing a persistent status bar for the notification and home screens. Your thoughts on that?

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Let's wait to judge how it is, but my first thought is this is a bit sad. Not having a status bar is good to me.

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did you checked sailfishos 2.0 videos? it's not persistent, it's only for homescreen views.

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It's quite persistent on the homescreen views, though. ;)

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It's for homescreen views.

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We are ready to pay, but Jolla don't seem to think it's necessary for either developers to be compensated for their efforts and content, or for their own ecosystem. We NEEDED paid apps and developer tipping 6 months ago at least ...

However, "H2 '14" has turned into one comment in December '14 that there were problems preventing it, but it was a priority. MWC '15 has been and gone, and no mention of it at all in recent 'roadmap' statements. I think many of us assumed that it would have to be in place by tablet release, but that seems unlikely in the extreme, given the continuing silence.

It's looking ever more grim with regard to native development and content porting.

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jolla could contact important services providers, take the cost of hireing two devs sending them the the office and...bang. value is created for custoners...and I mean real users, the big mass not walking the net of device forums.

playing with some features in the OS is more expensive and gives less value and users. when you are a small fish you need to go out and help the bigger fishs to see you, not waiting for them. honestly, why should they care for wasting time on jolla?

If jolla could land a netflix app the would automatically get more users to see them...it woukd also ve easier to recommend them to friends and family ... today its "impossable".

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LOL - you'd get eaten quickly if you were a fish :D

But there is a Netflix application for Android, isn't it? And Jolla has Alien Dalvik, right? So, there you go. Why waste resources on something that works already?

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lol I have been bitten a few times bit im still alive and successful :D

you could use that as a sales pitch. sure, but in reality its completely ******** to most users. if that is how you would threat and attract users...
if you dont see the issue with that shadow feature. give your jolla too 100 persons in the street and ask them."please install netflix".

but then again. jolla might stay small forever and might not aim for users outside of this little bubble. the good thing is that they are still alive...so anything could happen. im ready to be amazed :D

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OK, so then Jolla could invest one (or more at their discretion) resource to go and reach out and tell them to make a Sailfish application, and perhaps this should be driven by TJC as you really don't know how many people want Netflix/Googlecast/etc..
They are already making an effort with Facebook, which is a shame as it would be nice if somebody forced Facebook and friends to remain supporting XMPP or C&D. OTOH I undertsand that losing the ability to chat through facebook is lost functionality so there is a compelling case.

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Available on the Amazon store weirdly enough so you don't even have to hack a Google Play install.

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The SIP support looks promising but I've been burned before when they announce something is implemented but is far from actually working in real life. See CalDAV or CardDAV. In the end I gave up and stuck my SIM in an Android phone. Having stuff sync reliably and decent multi-tasking (yes, on Android) outweighs the distinctly average UI on Android.

The UI changes are a mixed bag. The events view and carousel look like a move back to the N9 layout (good) but the rest are pretty terrible for a phone. Losing cover action gestures and adding android style status bars is awful. I don't understand why they'd ditch their uniqueness for the sake of a few stupid users who insist on seeing the time or battery level all the time.

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They're too many, and I'd be happy if I can switch it off. Having said that, all applications developers will have to consider that bar, if the case is indeed that it's all over the place.

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what is the single most important thing missing with jolla?

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flasher tool

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Would attract many users?

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you didn't meant any users in your question.

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Nope, you have to read between the lines ;)

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Weelll @coderus is absolutely correct, since flasher is just about the only thing we cannot easily make by ourselves.
Everything else I need I can make or port to the device.

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Maybe there is a reason for no flasher approuch?

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I guess Myriad restrictions regarding Alien Dalvik, or Google, or Oracle, I don't know. If you think carefully, all ports of SailfishOS to other devices miss the android compatibility feature. And since the users himself can use the hardware adaptation toolkit... Place your bets on why.

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Even if that were true, it doesn't really excuse Jolla's wall of silence on this or other issues. They could simply say what the situation is.

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The CTO (Stefano Mosconi) of Jolla said they are working on it. So yes it will come.
Also Stskeeps said a while ago on IRC that it's not a licensing issue, but more a technical.

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If you want android apps, why not get an android? There is even jolla launcher. Seriously I don't see the point of me to buy non-Android phone to run android apps. It can be helpful as an addition as some would not port there apps, but not as main source of apps. Maemo5/N9 by the age Jolla is one already got much more apps and it was without android support

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Well, 2 points:
1. Define "main source of apps" - to me it is way more important to have proper IMAP/XMPP support than netflix for example. What is your flavour of preference? Everybody is different and I did mention in a later post that you could arguably use TJC for Jolla to find out what's "important" and they can _potentially_ invest some time in making their own applications for those non standard services.
2. Maemo5/N9 was initiated by a company that [still] has a lot more resources than Jolla, so understandably they could make things happen a lot quicker.

Like you say, Alien Dalvik is good for addition of applications that won't be there quickly for Sailfish. Dave999 quoted Netflix and Chromecast as examples - to me they are irrelevant, hence my counter argument.

FWIW, Netflix could just use HTML5 and every browser compatible with that technology would be able to use it. Problem solved. I don't really know what use I could give a google dongle, so I'll refrain to comment.

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That is indeed the question some of us are beginning to ask. When I bought my Jolla (as a First One) I had high hopes for it.

But here we are 16 months later and, whilst Jolla have busily been patching and updating Sailfish, it still doesn't meet the promise that Jolla originally held out. And I'm increasingly beginning to feel that many of those who defend the current Jolla phone are subject to the free-choice paradigm of cognitive dissonance.

For example, and in response to your question, the store still doesn't have the capability to charge for apps. So if I'm a developer what do I do? If I create free apps, and I've got one that works on Android (and thus Alien Dalvik) why, when I probably have limited resources, waste time creating a native Sailfish version? And if I create apps that need to be paid for, well I'm out of luck. So basically most apps, and certainly most mainstream apps (and a fair number of niche apps - I don't expect my bank to be writing a native Sailfish banking app anytime soon) are only going to be available on the Jolla as Android apps.

So it isn't a question of wanting Android apps; it is a question of only being offered Android apps.

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^^^ is exactly why I never could convince myself to part with my money for a Jolla. It simply never felt worth even a fraction of its price after the initial euphoria died down. I was one of those who were taken in for their fancy marketing terms like etrazz (spelling?) display etc but when I saw the specs and found them to be a downgrade compared to the i9305 I was using at that time it became a big No-no.

Nothing from then on has made me regret my decision regardless of how much I want them to make me regret it.