Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Well, so far forum members got to vote on ideas/referendums, now it's just the official names club. Can you comment on KDE listing all GA members? You just stated this is secret?

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

By itself...
Informing people is not the battle.
All you are doing is throwing news clips and articles ..
and saying something has to be done...
whilst complaining nothing is getting done.

People taking action based on information is the battle.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

They need facts, not 'this guy is sexist, based on 3 tweets of women whom we trust', no due process in UCL, no reporter integrity to publish such a story without facts but based on tweets, lots of people just buy it, by informing Louise won this. So yeah, I expect people to act and make opinions based on information (twitter and OSCON bought into randi being anti-harassment, see where this is going?)

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

KDE agreed to publish the list, I guess.
We're publishing only usernames on the wiki.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Is it your wild guess, or is this information public for non-profits?

edit: just to be clear, transparency is a big thing in EU, you can FOIA (freedom of information act - request based on this) practically every body in EU, would love to have not a wild guess, but confirmation that anyone EU based can not request information that could be used for doxing. Some members here have my info (even paid 10$ for that bloody TM as I said I would, so council has it), but I trust our current members. If leaking my private info is just sending a snailmail/email request, no, screw that, unless you accept my name to be xxx and surname yyy, I'm fine with that, but EU probably not

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

MC eV is just a "eingetragener Verein" (registered association), not (yet) a NPO.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

What about a simple 'NO' during registration:
?

https://ev.kde.org/resources/ev-questionnaire.text

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Great find, thank you!

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Which stills does not answer FOIA, but good to know you are not obliged to be listed

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

So what's your point again?

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Gotta run, feel free to propose ideas how to combat twitter lynch mobs, lazy journos, anonymity vs identity... This community used to burst with ideas/discussions (and used to be on top of things), loved that thing about it, if we stagnate into stallmanesque: email is good for browsing web... might need to retire (which will hopefully bring a lot of smiles here, so at least you got that, have fun)

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

If you can send an email to EU body that keeps track on this: please let me know public info who is in GA of this or that eV, then doxing is one email away

night

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Took me two clicks and less than a minute ;)

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Good to know you inform yourself before starting a campaign like this... ;)

You're funny... starting a thread, demanding others should solve the problem you are pointing at. :rolleyes:

Look, we're threatened with extinction and every loss is deplorable.
Nobody will laugh about anotherone parting.

But to me, this is a non-issue for maemo society, sorry.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Inform us political master?

Again your political senses are tingling it's all good, except it's not, FOIA, you ignore this like with any possible example of TM being used against a non-profit community, give us a freaking example of TM being used in non-commercial case, or just go about being proud of having people fund your ego, ffs!!! Answer bloody FOIA question, not guess!
Except your own ego, there is nothing here to be sad about. Mammoths died long ago, evolution is scary, but not for people who actively research and debate topics, this community has run its course it seems. Have fun on IRC (this is the latest medium that the mammoths here accepted it seems, FB/Insta/twitter/... all evil, who cares about what is currently happening, keep viewing webpages through email, nothing stops you, but your smugness makes you out of touch, really tempted to throw nieldk tantrum and request to delete all my posts

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Oh, just found this:

No idea how it actually works to request information based on FOIA, but I know that by law, an e.V. is supposed to keep an uptodate list of members internally (board). Afaik, this list can be requested by the registering court upon their demand. This would probably be the case in criminal investigations or the like. Not very likely to happen.

You nailed it... it's about trust (in board and GA) EDIT: and commitment.

It's not, and the EU is fine unless extraordinary request by court (see above)

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

The issue obviously is easily solved thanks to win and peter's input of concrete information.
-It is apparently clear that personal info is not common knowledge or easily accessible and that it is kept privy.
-I am all for a "No" option for those registering wishing their personal info to be undisclosed.

All that being said...
I have no interest in being part of a conversation containing statements either disparaging this community, it's members or the abilities of either.
Nor do I have any interest in trying to argue the validity of the continued existence of our community to a fellow member.
Concerning further offering of input on this threads topic
I'm done..I'm out.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

No idea how it works, I want to be lead by THIS guy, srsly now!!! All votes to our politician, **** answers, he has no idea, but it's good to listen to him.
Yeah, I'm out


MODS: please delete all my posts, I'm out, the current community is a community of dinosaurs afraid of new ideas that do not acknowledge new developments, are being lead like chickens to their death by wannabe politicians. Screw that. Was fun while it lasted. Bye

Yeah, there's no way to delete that thread or any other that has answers, so mods please do what you're paid (lol) to do

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

I essentially helped building this thing so I defend it from made up accusations, what else did you expect?

And I reminded of the code of conduct, wasn't that one of your points?

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

No it wasn't, maybe you mistaken github with their CoC for me, the only topics I see you 'contributing' (yeah quotes are needed) is when referendum or new vote is up, nothing else you bring to this community excepot popcorn,f it, have fun administering and having power over dinosaurs, no new ideas are welcome, who cares, we got it right the first time, snowden, other developments, who cares, telegram/whatsupp is evil, we got IRC, we're fine. Not my community

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Farewells.
TBH I do not get your point(s), not at all.
Was starting this thread your legitimation to quit? (I would not like to loose you, or any member, as we are already a small community and I appreciated your input).

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

No. Seeing the same absurd disconnect from real world issues (yeah, I get it, it's cool when your latest interaction was usenet) as last time suggested something 'somewhat new' (modlogs). People here just stopped caring. It's like a C64/ZX Spectrum forum (maemo whether you accept it or not has not seen a product consumer can buy for over half a decade, not that much different), while the thing was in stores people were interested in new things (see 'quake 3 on n900' thread and similar). Snowden, sure rings a bell with some. But other developments? Get off my lawn. So I'm off, cya (see you at soylent)

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

szopin, you are not wrong in that revealing your identity is a risk but:

1, we NEED a real, legal body to function in a reliable, long term way ( own servers, trademarks, pay bills et) - this needs _REAL_ identities.
2, you can CHOOSE not to join the GA, never revealing your identity trusting the members who have joined the GA to deal with the needed management stuff in a sane way.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Being fully anonymous might work in lala-land of twitter et al, where the infra is provided by a company and "users" are just fuel for an engine working for advertisers.

Just as @chainsawbike comments what we have here is a different thing; we are a legal entity that owns real material and immaterial property. Hence we need also what @szopin so demeanly calls "politics".
Today that word has been devalued because of corruption in high circles but politics in our sense of the word means caring for our common things, it is a necessary function.

Without "forum politics" we cannot survive, we need order, dedication and people willing to take care of things.
This just cannot be done by anonymous users, there are laws in the real worls that we need to obey.

Re: Real world harassment for opinions, or why GA is doomed to fail
 

Absolutely. Very short and precise answer!
Thank You