Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I wonder what '<Status 18>' means in version --dup. I got it for the apkd* packages, sailfish-version and lipstick-jolla-home-qt5.

version --verify lets me know my btrfs-balancer is not the one that should be installed, in fact it's a higher version (1.2.4 vs 1.2.1). Something seems ro be wrong here.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Aw man, I assumed the covers would stay where they were after a reboot, but they disappeared again. Room for improvement there.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

App can rearranging by long press now.
Just the covers stay visible is extremely annoying!!

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Why do you find it annoying?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

App like whatsup will stop working without any notice.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yes. Noticed that.
The problem is with the 'jolla' missing in new version.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

But that has nothing to do with the app covers staying visible. Also, stuff like that needs a background service. If it doesn't have one, then your connection getting killed isn&#39;t the fault of the OS.

I see, thanks.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Just a heads up:

I have created a patch, that converts cover action buttons into pulley menus.

I had this idea months ago and this is the initial implementation. It may be buggy and you need SailfishOS 1.1.9.28, but should at least serve as a protection against accidentally hitting the cover action buttons :)

http://i.imgur.com/BpcDregm.png

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Very nice!

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

That would be a good workaround. If an app could indicate to the OS that it could be suspended but retain a cover showing the last status that would give the impression of better multitasking than the limited ram allows.

Possibly the OS could periodically wake up suspended apps to update the cover?

Eg. If you had a bug tracker app that woke up every 2 years to check if Jolla have fixed CalDAV and then went to sleep again. :D

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Installed yesterday and here's what I think so far:
(correct me if I'm wrong or misunderstood something)


Launcher:
- Bottom row of 4 buttons is ONLY available when no apps are open.

- I wish opening app launcher was 2 phase so gentle pull would always open the bottom row, and you'd need to pull strongly or twice to get the full launcher. Or maybe lock it when user stops pulling, so you can choose how many apps you want to show and could have any row in the bottom of the screen for easier thumb movement.

- Launcher indicator (on bottom) could be shown at all times? I keep on forgetting it's available everywhere and keep on swiping back home to launch apps.

- The black background or app launcher seems very out-of-place, and should be replaced (patch?) by some form of transparent glass effect or something.


Lock screen:

- WHY IS THE SILENCE PHONE SHORTCUT GONE??? That makes no sense. Forcing user to creating another ambience just to have quick ability to silence the phone is a pretty sad way trying to make the feature more meaningful and used.

- CuteSpot apparently now has integrated lockscreen media controls? Or is it Sailfish itself? Liking it, though the former patch with swiping seemed a bit more intuitive.


Home:

- Why is there no pulley menu in home screen? Why is it in lock screen which is usable literally once every time you take the phone out of the pocket? This makes the whole feature quite useless.

- Wasn't there supposed to finally be support for landspace mode across the board, including home screen?


Other stuff:

- Feeds are gone ..? I logged on twitter but theres no feeds available anywhere?? I guess I'll just have to start using tweetian, which is objectively way superior anyway, so I guess it's a win - kinda. I hope apps can now access the notification screen to create a tweetian (or other social media) based feed in there?

- Creating ambiences seems bugged, it centers the wallpaper very strangely ending up being pixelated and nothing like user wanted. Creating image 1.75 times bigger than Jolla's native resolution and centering the image will roughly give you centered wallpaper with correct resolution.

- Pulley menu "confirmation" (flashing twice) before doing anything feels like it's slowing everything down. Also the contrast is kinda bad, so it's harder to see if you're on top of the right row.



Sorry for a bit of a mess of text. I was outlining my thoughts as I typed.

E: Made the text give less headache to read.. :D

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

When you tap empty space in the homescreen does the first row of icons appear for a moment?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yes .........

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

No. For me it only appears when there are zero apps open. If anything is open, it will never appear.

I'm running clean install of 2.0 after a recovery mode reset and updated with 0 apps or patches or anything installed.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yeah, ambience creation is completely broken. To get perfect resolution ambience you need to create image 1.75x bigger (945x1680) and center the wanted photo perfectly within it.

Examples:

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

This is essentially what happens though.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

It isn't broken, it&#39;s made so the image also looks good in landscape mode. Turn your phone around in an app with landscape support and you&#39;ll see.

I did notice one thing wrt this, namely that any ambiences created before the update need to be removed and recreated, otherwise they won&#39;t turn around when the device is in landscape mode - come to think of it this is probably quite logical, assuming the ambiences are saved as an image somewhere, they would look terrible if the update automatically made them work in landscape as well.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Triple post woo, there seems to be an issue with apostrophes in WebPirate's text editor so apologies for that. I can&#39;t post with the regular browser because this site still blocks Tor...

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

How are you guys upgrading?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Ah, alright. Didn't think of that when the home screen still doesn't turn, but you're right.

ssu re [version number here]
version --dup

Not sure if you can update straight 1.1.9.28 or should go 1.1.9.27 first.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Hmmm.. I did that and it broke my phone.. wouldn't reboot properly... think I might wait for the official update...

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Is there any 1.1.9.x tester able to report how the TOHKBDv2 work?

TIA

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I wonder how well these changes would be accepted by somebody that's never used Jolla before...

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

If they never used Jolla there should be no perceived changes?

With Sailfish 2.0 all will be same like with Sailfish 1.0: most will complain it is complicated and swipe around disoriented and unfocused on just getting a task done, trying to navigate to the familiar app store in order to download something they know well.

If they are prepared to invest a couple of days in getting used to it, they will coop and eventually like it.

But then they have to have purchased the device despite the many press opinions written after a couple of hours of Sailfish usage in between testing Android hardware.

I wonder who is pulling the wagon of Sailfish 2.0 development?

Maemo / Harmattan users and early adopters "fans" <--- Jolla -->>>>> Android using masses and potential future hardware manufacturing partners

Personally I don't worry much about the small changes in the interface as long as they don't touch multitasking.

I would like to see more options even if they are hidden in confusing expert menu structures like good old Symbian.
Especially application security options.

Applications: I only need SIP and Firefox native to ditch Alien Dalvik.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yeah, I think that is what they meant when they said this was the first, major part of 2.0 and the rest of the bits would come in the following update.

Also, you should just be able to update straight to 1.1.9.28, even if you are on a version lower than 1.1.7.28.

Looking at the carnage and total chaos on TJC ("I have no idea what I am doing and no patience so updating to an unreleased version in an unsupported way bricked my phone, pls halp"), I think I can understand why these version numbers are not announced beforehand.

(This apostrophe bug frustrates me to no end.)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

TOHKBD in general works. It seems as if setting the Keyboard Layout in the normal Jolla Settings now affects the layout of the TOHKBD. I have set it to German, and now can write umlauts with the TOHKBD. on the other hand it seems as if it is using a "real" German layout now, so for example the "-" key on my QWERTZ TOHKBD doesn't write a "-", but a "ß" (as it would be on a standard PC Keyboard for the key at that position). So the printed layout on the TOHKBD doesn't match up exactly with the Layout that is used.

All this was tested on SFOS 1.1.9.28 using the latest 0.4.2 of the tohkbd software

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

You need to have the Early access update first before you can directly go to 2.0

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I have noticed something missing..........


Where is the provider name located!??!

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

StatusArea.qml

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Hi there..I have early update activated but still no 1.1.9 update..is there any sort of device selection???

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

It's not officially out yet, not even for early access. Everyone using it here has installed it using a command line "hack" :D

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I really hope not. That is another behavior imported from crappy Android then.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Really??I tried indstalling it via terminal but got some problems with store and credentials so I had a factory reset..

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I think that refers only to Android applications. As only an Android application can run at a time the other android applications are basically screenshots that will wake/start again the corresponding application once clicked. And I might have written the specification for this trick/hack. :)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I asked mainly for three reasons: 1) the issues listed here mostly are around minor tweaks like a button type for instance, 2) Jolla is perhaps attempting to be less frustrating in some of these changes to folks that already have Android or other devices and 3) the changes listed out so far do not seem to be disruptive and fall closer to (in my view) MeeGo than Android.

Wise words.

Odd question, not sure where you're going with this one, unless you're continuing that thought with the following...

I think that Sailfish seems to aiming at lowering the bar a bit to folks that might not have Maemo/MeeGo experience.

If it worked like MeeGo Harmattan, I'm all there.

I thought the browser was Mozilla based. Isn't that good enough? My list of native apps would be far too long for this thread nor realistic to happen before a wider launch.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

There must be some serious misunderstanding between my posts about it and people complaining about said behaviour. There is no way whatsoever in which this behaviour is inferior to previous Sailfish versions. To clarify:

In Sailfish 1.0, you start 10 apps, by the time you start the 11th app, memory is full, the oldest started app gets kicked out and the cover disappears, making you wonder what on earth happened to that app. You need to start the app again from the list of apps, and all covers get rearranged. There is also no way to keep application covers in place, so you can't just remember in which spot the media player last was to change the currently playing track.

In Sailfish 2.0, you start 10 apps, by the time you start the 11th app, memory is full, the oldest started app gets killed BUT the cover remains visible (although slightly transparent and without any cover action) so covers stay in place, you can arrange them how you want once and they will stay in that position forever (as long as you don&#39;t reboot...). You can start the app again either by tapping the cover or by going to the list of apps (either way is about as fast as the other, the first way has you do a swipe from the left/right edge of the screen to your home screen, the second way has you swipe from the bottom of the screen to bring up the list of installed apps). (You don&#39;t even need to know the place of the media player anymore because the controls are accessible from the lock screen, at last.)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

From what little I've used of MeeGo (had it running on a netbook long ago), this new update does resemble it more than previous Sailfish versions, in a good way.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I actually meant on the UI :p

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I can see mine at the top of the lock screen.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Unfortunately this is true - when there is not enoughe memory, the app gets killed in the background, but the cover stays there and showing a slightly blurry screenshot. One time, while I was doing something in MC in terminal, the app got killed while it was focused :D It automatically transitioned to the task manager (still showing MC in it) and when I clicked it, a brand new terminal was spawn in its place.

I really hope this is going to change in the final release.