Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Well, i don't know, but now it is one more sold :D
Last week i saw the "out of stock" label humping back and forth on the jolla phone and now i need to get one of the last(?) to secure my next 2 years of sailfish usage with tohkbd.
I went for Stella as i already have 2 white tohs ;) maybe my daughter is growing into smartphone usage and will appreciate stella toh next year.

Marc leaving is not a bad sign in itself, but his lockdown on communication is what causes the fodder for rumors. He did not answer to the TechCrunch guy? srsly?
What kind of NDA could refrain someone from a nice well deserved good bye from and to the community, collecting some hugs and seize the moment for some promotion?
Sad.

EDIT, maybe he is just tired following this statement by Antti Saarnio an hour ago on Facebook Jolla Pioneers group:

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 

What did the deleted tweets say?

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Jobs "left" Apple because of a boardroom coup. He was pushed out, "fired" in his own description of events after spending millions on the Macintosh when Apple made its money out of the Apple II.

I'm sure that's not the case with Dillon.

I'm not equating the two but Jolla does need someone with vision, some showmanship and a recognisable figurehead. They also need a Woz of course.

It seems very odd to me there is no official statement by the company. They're not publicly traded so they don't have to but FFS a very public founder and their COO has left.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Bill Gates left Microsoft. They're still standing.

We might never know the case with Dillon, but we cannot discount the other members of the Jolla team.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

But Microsoft is not what it used to be...

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 

"Will delete later."

;)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Yeah, its actually better now, when the clown left too. :)

Re: Jolla tablet countup to delivery[Now With Poll]
 

Now that's a new development!
I'd assume it'd been "will delete *soon*"

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Didn't anyone here ever think of the possibility that the reason for Marc leaving might be something more personal than the financial state of Jolla, his trust in the future direction of the company or sinister fights for power at the top? He might as well be ill, there could as well be issues with loved ones he needs to take care of, whatever. Not everything he does needs to be related to business.

I tried to connect the dots and found that this isn't unlikely. There's other possibilities, too, but as long as I cannot be sure it's nothing personal, I'd rather not comment too much upon it. I could be sorry for every word I said.

There have been comments especially over at TJC that were really mean and cynical.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Really?

Microsoft under Gates gave us Windows 95 and Windows XP.
Microsoft without Gates gave us Windows 8 and Windows 10.

Sure, Microsoft is now more "mature" and "business focused", whatever that means. Sure, that may be a good thing if you are on BOD or at least a shareholder. But for us regular customers, Microsoft is now MUCH WORSE than it has ever been.

Odd if you compare Jolla with any other company but not at all surprising. It is very much in line with the past Jolla's track record regarding public communication about anything.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I think this can be the result that almost all top level figures in the tech industry always step down from personal reasons - at least officially. It's so bad that many equals the often used phrase "Wants to spend more time with the family." directly to "fired/ousted/sidelined". ;-)

Of course once in a while it might actually be true! But people are understandably skeptical.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

This is quite possible. Just being worried about the financial situation doesn't really add up because financial worries are everyday life for startup companies. Especially on capital intensive companies. Marc has been very busy with Jolla, with huge amount of traveling days etc. and such thing takes toll no matter how enthusiastic one may be. So, it may be just so simple that he needed to take a break and some distance to things. Now that Sailfish 2.0 is on the verge of being released, Tablet deliveries almost there and first licensing deal with Intex finalized, it's somewhat logical time to depart.

Whatever the reason, I'd still like to hear from Marc at some point.

Yep... the community sometimes are really good at showing their bad sides.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Well, if one looks Microsoft from Windows desktop perspective only....

However, during Gates/Ballmer era Microsoft's official attitude towards open source was outright hatred. Today Microsoft officially supports many open source projects because it's essential for their new focus on cloud/datacenter solutions and interoperatibility. Same thing with support for 3rd party stuff on their management tools etc. Now that Windows 10 is offered as a free upgrade, I consider it to be somewhat better from regular customer point of view - HOWEVER, for privacy centered people it's questionable.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Thank you and good luck Marc Dilon!!

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

As charismatic as Marc is, my main concern is Sailfish, as long as that keeps going with no issues am happy.

If they decide to shut up shop for whatever reason and call it a day I hope they open source the code so the community can attempt to keep it going.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

+ 0.5 :)

My main concern isn't even Sailfish, it's a mobile OS that's based on something close to a desktop GNU/Linux distribution. Something that I can SSH to, that has /etc and /home and that understands my attempts to write shell scripts.

Sailfish does a very good job at this ATM, but even if they fail and there's no community to keep up the work, there's still Ubuntu as a second choice. No reason to panic. :)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Not a fan of Ubuntu tbh, the multitasking seems to just suck, the OS seems to just suck, and canonical generally just suck.

I'd rather attempt to keep Sailfish going if things went wrong for the company. This forums always wanted its own OS, and for a time I thought that might be the neoN900 port. But that all seems so out of date while Sailfish itself is working somehow and easier to port it seems(kinda).

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Clown was Balmer, not Gates ;)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Yes, you're right about Ubuntu. That's why I called the second choice. Still it's one more option. And it's never a bad thing to have choices or a "plan B".

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I think at that point maybe its time to take a serious dabble in Nemo Mobile.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Actually I am not surprised et all. He has not been that active lately.

People have to understand it is not only one person working at a company. Second thing people changes job all the time.

But again, with/without Marc, I have said this some time now: I doubt Jolla survives 2016.

They did a great job and released a phone and soon a tablet. But the market is to damn hard compete on.

Hopefully they can sell sailfishos to fairphone....

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

You've beat me to it :)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I have two theories about Marc's departure, but I do want to stress out that it is just speculation, so we should not jump to conclusions without statement from Marc himself. The two theories are:

• Tighter investor control - the split to two companies (=killing the hardware division for those who didn't figure it out :) ) was quite logical, but it must have been a result of investors running out of patience. I think that this change wasn't the only one - Jolla is probably under a closer watch of investors since then and the lack of creative freedom could have driven Marc away.
• Sailfish 2.0 - it was created as a compromise, with no real design path, abandoning some design principles that were crucial to Marc - "no tiny buttons", and most importantly the single hand use. Especially if you're a left handed person, you cannot get into Events, unless you sacrifice going to the app switcher. And even for a right handed person, accessing events view is a stretch, not really following the single handed approach of Sailfish 1.x.

OT:

There is also LuneOS - I would take it as the second choice after SailfishOS for its multitasking capabilities and webOS legacy. I don't really like what it's based on (Yocto - embedded Linux platform), but it uses the technologies we know from SailfishOS:

• libhybris
• Linux 3.x
• Wayland
• Qt 5.4

It features monthly releases too. You should check it out :)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Hm, I don't like this news at all. There must have been some nasty quarrels in the board with Piemaki and Dillon gone in a short period. I'm actually triggered by the lack of transparency (Transparency, Respect, Passion, Love) when he left and even now. Google "Dillon Jolla" and LinkedIn will show "May 2013 – July 2015" so they really took their time bringing the news.

Hopefully Eineheminlampi will cheer us up a bit, being a people powered platform ;)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

True. But change is good. Microsoft without Ballmer, even better. Elop's gone from Microsoft... that's the best.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

so does that means theres a job vacancy? Time to brush up the old cv :P

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Sorry, the competition is murderous: I am prepared to give yearly speech at Slush for free ;)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Guys,
there is another possibility which has not been considered, and that is : Mark is loaded - loaded with cash, that is!
I mean, he's attending startup events all over the place. Yesterday; next week wednesday, are two examples.

They are all focussed on mobile.
Perhaps he's looking for something?

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Like, move to the islands and spend the rest of his life sipping mojito on the beach?
That is possible, but such things are usually preceded by selling the company to a big shark.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Doubt any enterpreneur in the startup-scene (to whom these events target to) has that type of cash...

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I'd say that he's just 'seeding' his current field: encouraging Finnish startups to come up and get sponsored... e.g. by InvestorEye ;)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

That he just went to a new job perhaps? It does happen you know. No real reason sometimes even necessary. New job, no reason.

I know I've moved between jobs/contracts probably because it was Tuesday as the sole reason.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

mm I don't know , it suits a man to stand behind his proclaimed ideals even if those are salary bound.
I don't feel the roadmap for Sailfish is finished already in a satisfactory way.
Unless Marc Dillon can step forward and say he feels that he did his part to his best capacity I will have difficulty to stay neutral about this "just felt like changing jobs" way.
If he puts for sale his Jolla because his new company provides him an Android or Microsoft phone I will be most disappointed. :mad:

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Actually, I think we've reached a fairly significant milestone for Jolla. There is certainly much work left to be done with Sailfish, but they've now reached the point where they can credibly state that their UI can scale from phone to tablet sizes; their UI has faced the scrutiny of daily use by real-world users, and been adapted to better suit their expectations and needs; and, Jolla has finally started licensing Sailfish to a manufacturer.

In short, Jolla has done the work needed to make Sailfish a real product. Who knows if it will become a major player in the future; but the fact is that it _is_ now a viable alternative OS for hardware manufacturers to consider. That's gotta be worth something...

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Think he had his own 'burning platform' moment?

( i joke )

He doesn't need to explain why he left. Consider if when you changed jobs if you would like to explain to a bunch of internet voices all the reasons you left the old place. Did you see how poorly some commenters took just the tablet delays? No info would ever be enough.

Whether there was turmoil or not, getting in-depth reasons is likely not gonna happen nor should we expect it. His contributions are appreciated, and move forward.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Marc could still sell services to Jolla. Maybe that's what he does. I don't know. Just speculating.
I would find it natural to go this way; being able to continue what he did before at Jolla, but at a larger scale. And that job appears to suit Marc.

Also note that Marc Dillon is a co-founder and shareholder of Jolla. But that doesn't mean he'd have to work there exclusively.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

on together.jolla there are still enough privacy related requests in the front page of top voted items.

I don't know if I should welcome the influence of an Indian hardware maker as a postive drive towards reaching by end of the year:

2H/2015

Multitasking

Enhancing Sailfish multitasking with split screen. Split screen allows user to view and use two apps simultaneously.


Security

Privacy and security remains our top priority. During the second half of 2015 we are aiming to answer the increased demand in privacy of mobile communication. We continue building the trusted and transparent open alternative to other operating systems with no control by any country or major industry player.

Let's see if it becomes any better than security through obscurity :)

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

Per usual, I'll state the unpopular opinion here. I think you lot are being quite a bit nosy to be fully honest here.

Think about yourself for a moment. Are you people truly telling me that you've never left a job before? Not all reasons are some huge *** conspiracy; this is a conversation of a mad man. Not everything has to have a reason that you'd have to know.

He doesn't have to step forward to tell any of us ****. Accept that, stop thinking that you're owed something that you're not.

Want to feel involved? Like you're included (this is for everybody, btw)... wish the man luck in his endeavors. Stop overlooking the 120+ other people at Jolla. Stop looking for the conspiracy and the reason.

Concentrate on yourself. Make a difference on a platform that you believe in by looking forward and participating where you can. And stop the unimaginative speculation that can't be proven past opinion.

Seriously... this is worse than high school girl gossip.

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

I was reacting to your saying almost literally that one person even with that kind of exposure can freely change jobs like suits after giving all those speeches (that honestly feel useless due to the blown up talk and lack of true details).
Next step is like approving Elop types and truly, the world has more than enough of those and Linkedin is almost out of DB space with their CV's.
I don't need to know Marc reasons - personal or role play over and out.
Just don't want to confirm that level of exposure it is to be considered normal to just walk because today you feel like another job. In General, and yes , even on my low level job I'll stay last man standing for the customers, the suppliers etc..

Re: Marc Dillon left Jolla
 

It all boils down to just one question: Does it really matter to you?

I'd almost bet money that your answer will be (or should be) no, it doesn't affect you directly.

People change jobs for no reason. Just because you've not done it, doesn't mean others cannot.