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What we need now is for jolla to detail how and when they intend to make this real.

If it uses the word "soon" people may begin to lose hope.

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Incredibly enough, I bought a Xperia X for main use 3 months ago...

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Nice news,

Just got rid of my last Sailfish device and went for a Xperia X compact. Hope that one is included... Very curious about all the details of how this exactly will work.

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Stay tuned!

More news will get announced soon.

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Well, that's certainly the reason Jolla went with the Xperia devices! ;)

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Another video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBCugfTm-IU

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That is a good one in contrast very calm and competent! Thanks for sharing.
He was saying sth. like Playstore is not installed yet, right?
The port seems to be on 2.1.x as he mentions it.

Looks like there is no word for "user interface" and "user friendly" in italian? :p

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What do you mean "begin"? :rolleyes:

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I don't know if he says so but in the previous video I've seen a guy said that Play Store and Android apps support is not installed but it is possible and future Xperias will indeed have Android app support.

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https://www.mobileworldlive.com/feat...ofitable-2017/

"The aim is to make Sailfish available for “practically all” Xperia handsets. The target is to make a first release available by the end of Q2 2017."

practically all -> :D

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)
 

again, I don't see this happening on MTK based devices.

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Current list of Sony "Open Devices" is at https://developer.sonymobile.com/ope...and-resources/ btw

edit: note no Mediatek devices. Qualcomm only.

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So one thing I'm confused about (and I'm not that technically minded, so this might be a stupid question).

Are they going to be using libhybris to do this? Seems to me if they've got an agreement with a manufacturer the size of Sony, they might be able to get licenses to develop / use native drivers, which presumably would improve performance and reduce complexity. I can't imagine they'd do that in one step, but it seems like an interesting possibility for the future if all goes well.

I don't know how much work goes into developing drivers, though I'm sure it's a lot. But if people manage to reverse engineer them *without* any of the technical specifications, presumably it isn't out of the question for a collaboration between Sony and Jolla...

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SONY doesn't manufacture SOC's so there's nothing there.
Jolla can't develop drivers for something that it does not make also.
RE drivers in commercial products and in mobile bussines is highly unlikely also.
So. libhybris..... because there's no native drivers since non of the SOC manufacturers (Qualcomm, MTK, Samsung, Huawei and now Xiaomi) is going to make one for Sailfish. At least not ATM, we can just hope for brighter future.
Even the non SOC ARM vendors are not exactly known as great for FOSS and linux support. :(

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I realise they don't manufacture many of the components, I was more thinking having the right license arrangements to develop drivers for them - as I understand it, half the battle is having access to the technical specifications, and the right to publish an open driver using that knowledge. They do run AOSP, after all, though with some blobs involved too.

I suppose it isn't an entirely all-or-nothing thing anyway, and Jolla can move drivers over to the native side as and when they can and it helps - I can't imagine the libhybris layer sits between the OS and literally the entire hardware.

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I think that it is all or nothing. SONY also gets those android drives for android phones from manufacturers. And since qualcomm and SONY support OSS you get sources for some devices. But also, SONY can be a real pain in the ***. Their long awaited MM update for their Android TVs isn't exactly something that looks like it was in development for more than a year and tested before release. And they use MTK which doesnt help since MTK doesn't exactly follow google APIs.

edit: typos

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Someone on TJC wrote the following:

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So does someone know if we now have to:

1. buy Sony from anywhere and later flash SailfishOS by our self's
https://developer.sonymobile.com/ope...es/flash-tool/

or

2. Wait until Jolla starts selling Jolla Community - Sony Xperia X with SailfishOS

?

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Have same question.
Can we flash later SF on every Xperia X?
All Xperia X are open device or also exist Xperia X with close Bootloader?
So if exist the risk that a buy an Xperia X normal and after than i realize that i cant flash SF on it?

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Quite a few devices there actually

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From Zeta's post here, it appears you can buy a device and download a ROM from the Sony site:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=127

With regards to the boot loader it appears that you can unlock any device listed (the Xperia Xs are all there as far as I can see):
https://developer.sonymobile.com/unl...urboot-loader/

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The Xperia X looks like it has pretty decent specs.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x-7948.php

And so does the Xperia X Compact.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x_compact-8292.php

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Got a Z3 just laying around, the only problem being it runs android. Hope it gets an improvement :)

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The power button on the normal x is actually a finger print sensor

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When Sony announced their work on mainline Linux a year ago I was cautiously optimistic. Now a year on and it's great to see them collaborating with Jolla but I found this page which details current functionality on their open devices and I see that there is no mention of mainline kernel support, just old Android kernels. What concerns me is that the Xperia X has two kernels listed: 3.10 which is 3 years old and 3.18 which is 2 years old. 3.10 seems to be feature complete whilst 3.18 has a lot of hardware listed as WIP. That doesn't really inspire me with a lot of confidence in their mainline kernel support. A handful of N900 kernel hackers have achieved more than this in their spare time. Wake me up when Sony have a device which has mainline kernel support close to that of the N900.

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I agree that is an old kernel. How many patches have been made since the 3.10 kernel? Is this Sony or Android still using an older kernel?

I am currently using the 4.9.4 kernel on my desktop and laptop.

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I think Android is at 3.18. Security patches get backported as and when necessary, though.

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Marshmallow is on 3.18. Nougat is on 4.4.

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That is a big difference, do any of Sony phones run nougat?

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quite a lot of them actually and some more will do. Have to say that SONY is one of the better OEMs in that regard.
Xperia X is one of them. All of the recent X's are. And some older Z's. Also, SONY wanted to update some other also but then google stopped that because of some BS requirements or something. It's not always OEM fault that device doesn't get the update. At the end of the day they all have to play by google rules or no google services.

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Im pretty sure on for an X Compact. Even a bit smaller than Jolla 1. With slightly bigger screen and longer lasting battery. I now it is non removable, still even if you can remove Jolla 1 battery, the effort to search for a spare is as much...

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All this talk about the Xperia X Compact made me start considering it.
Until I noticed this:

SIM Nano-SIM

Boo!

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)
 

every high end and most midrange phones uses nano sim nowadays

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what's the problem?

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:(

Compatibility.

USB C is a problem for the same reason, BTW.

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Usually you can get a sleeve to insert the nano-sim card in if you must use it in an archaic device.

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Sadly it will be the standard for future devices.

Why not just having adapters with you? I know it is a pain for now but you have to make the switch in long term, why not starting at this one?

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My carrier gave my a sort of nesting doll-type piece of plastic with different SIM card sizes, so I can use nano SIM in my onePlus X, micro SIM in my N9, or regular SIM in my N900.

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Isn't it just a matter of putting more/less plastic around the contacts to make it fit the different sizes? When I got a new SIM card a few years back, I could just pop what I needed out of the full-size card. Going back from a smaller to a larger size you'll need a plastic 'adapter', but that's just like SD cards and all the different sizes found there.

Edit: oops, looks like three others already said the same!

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so.... to summarize....
phone a) meh...no, screen is to big
phone b) no way, SIM card is to small
phone c) yuck, it has USB C
:D