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MontanaVike 2007-12-18 17:55

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I'm hoping that with the recent qt work that Keepass can be ported sometime soon.

wolgri 2007-12-18 20:47

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Originally Posted by slim (Post 110375)
It's funny you mention this. I was just thinking about the merits of a Commander-style file manager for the tablets. Does such a thing exist?

Rather than port emelfm2, which seems well-suited for a desktop, it might be better to write a finger-friendly version from scratch. Because of limited screen space (and the fact that it would be written from scratch), initial versions would probably only include the most commonly used features. What functionality would you think was important? I was thinking:

browse
jump-to folder
move
copy
delete
rename
create folder
open
sort (?)
restore (?)
set permission (?)
change owner (?)
search (?)

Options would include:
ask before overwrite
ask before delete

It would be interesting to design an interface for this. For example, a file/folder could be placed in a "trash" folder by sliding it off the side of the screen. The trash folder could be accessed by panning the screen to, for example, the left, thus making the left folder the right folder and the trash folder the left folder. Essentially, there would be a three-folder rotation with only two displayed at any time.

To manage single-folder tasks (such as set permission, change owner), it might make sense to hide the second folder, opening up a wider table view with permission and owner columns.

There would be no scroll bars. For finger-friendliness, the folder view would be similar to the mail folder view in Modest.

OK, I'm done brainstorming for now. :)

Good but emelfm2 can do this already it`s just need hildonization
and some improvement to just slide (yes slide not switch , like total commander for win mobile )between pans

slim 2007-12-18 21:09

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Originally Posted by wolgri (Post 110594)
Good but emelfm2 can do this already it`s just need hildonization
and some improvement to just slide (yes slide not switch , like total commander for win mobile )between pans

I was thinking more in terms of usability rather than features. I'm always a little suspicious of how well UIs designed for the desktop work on a handheld device. But if the existing port works for you, there's no reason not to use it.

metroeloise 2007-12-22 11:43

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Yes I would like something as wild and complete as datebook5, a word processor that writes to word perfect (come on it is the best!) with spell check and the ability to sync either through bt connection or over the net when there is a connection.

to be able to (newbie alert) connect with my pc and use natural speaking on the road. wow. then get the file back downloaded to work on off line and resync. yep!

Something like that with drawing programs. where I can remote in and draw on my pc sync up to the tablet and work on it off line and resync to the pc.

of course just getting my bt keyboard to every time to be found immediately would be great too.

Aciv 2007-12-23 01:11

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Here's something simple:

An applet that brings up the same menu that the on/off button brings up. So I don't have to use the button.

An app that syncs the clock to the internet automatically.

patleeman 2007-12-23 23:00

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I would like an application to use my n800 as a remote control for my media player on my computer. I use my computer to play videos sometimes and it would be cool to connect to my computer via wifi and be able to control the media player like that. And have a simple on screen gui, w/ some things like play/pause, forward, backward, etc. Maybe a little thing w/ a status bar, but it would be real neat to have. Especially if you have a home media center.

JamaisCascio 2007-12-23 23:20

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I'd like to be able to switch from landscape to portrait mode with the tap of a soft button. The Newton could do that, so it's not a hugely demanding problem. The N800's asymmetric body didn't really lend itself to portrait mode, but it would work fine with the N810 (with the kb closed, of course).

geneven 2007-12-25 12:39

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Wasn't Midnight Commander ported to Maemo?

Changing subjects, I want my N800 to read aloud to me. Flite already speaks for gps, so a doc reader wouldn't be too hard, maybe.

Ninja-Jake 2007-12-25 15:16

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Statistical Analysis Program

There is no program (to my knowledge) that does statistical analysis. If anyone would post or create a statistical program that would obviously be great.

As a grad student in political science I use Stata and Mplus a lot. If I could run a simple regression on my N800, it would make me very happy.

I am not proficient in R, but I would certainly have an incentive to learn if that program was made available for tablets. "R is widely used for statistical software development and data analysis. R's source code is freely available under the GNU General Public License, and pre-compiled binary versions are provided for Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and several Linux and other Unix-like operating systems." (Wikipedia, R programming language)

barton71 2007-12-26 01:21

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Id like some kind of software for the camera, to filter out the orange and green casts caused by tungsten and fluorescent lights, and to improve the quality under low lighting conditions. I know the camera on the N800 isn't the best, but I'm sure it could be improved upon.

Susdio 2007-12-26 10:02

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Is there an off-line browser available? For a portable wifi device wouldn't this seem like a natural application to have?

rickh 2007-12-26 10:10

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Originally Posted by Susdio (Post 115515)
Is there an off-line browser available? For a portable wifi device wouldn't this seem like a natural application to have?

You could use wget, then open the site locally. I also believe Plucker is available - both at maemo.org.

R.
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GPost 2007-12-29 03:16

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Is anyone interested in porting ThinkRock? This is a very interesting mind mapping program. See here: http://www.thinkingrock.com.au/

rdcinhou 2007-12-29 11:21

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What I would like to see are GUI implementations of:

LISP
PROLOG
BASIC

Some of us aren't Python programmers.

Franko30 2008-01-24 22:56

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 77248)
A good offline RSS reader. (...)

Current options are quite limited..

Built in RSS reader.
Claws mail w/ RSS plugin.

Hi there,

I found a great app that allows you to download the complete HTML-pages of rss-feeds for offline browsing/reading.

It's called Feedelity and is available via

Tahitibob's Website

Just install the *.deb, add a feed, update, press "download" and got to "offline" in Feedelity. Now, when clicking "view" for a news item, the web-browser launches with Feedelity's cached version of the Website instead of the "live" URL.


Have fun!

Franko30

brundmc 2008-01-25 03:53

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I second the Newton's notepad. I still fire up the old newton in my closet just to play around with the notepad. As soon as a handheld duplicates that program I will buy it in an instant. I could scratch out words all day. (Those that have used it know what I mean.)

Khertan 2008-01-25 10:22

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Just for curiosity, someone know where i can find description of this newton notepad, with some screenshoot ?

kenroy 2008-01-25 10:43

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Wikipedia is our friend... :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A...ed_note_jk.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_N...User_interface

Khertan 2008-01-25 12:30

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Note for the next : look in the en version of wikipedia and not in the french one ...

ghoonk 2008-01-25 15:50

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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 77258)
Newton-like handwriting recognition (with multilingual and cursive options)
The equivalent of the Newton Notes program (ask me about it)
Fully functional Abiword
Easy flat-file database, preferrably a clone of the Psion's Data
LyX (would need GhostScript as well)
"Normal" Firefox (as in: Fully functional)
Painting program like ArtRage
A "resume last file", or even better: "resume last X files", option in mplayer
Easy middle- and right-click emulation (so that I can open ITT threads each in their own tab)

I have lots more, but those are the urgent ones. When can I expect the programs to be ready? :rolleyes:

Karel, remember MoreInfo for the Newton? That would be killer on this device, and if the Newton could pull it off back in 1997, I see no reason why this would not be possible on the NiT :)

And yes, full screen handwriting recognition would be a blessing, cursive or otherwise. I was tinkering about with my iPaq 3970 a couple of days back and somehow found Transcriber's use of the full screen refreshing, compared to the limited area of the input panel on the NiT

Benson 2008-01-25 16:29

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Originally Posted by JamaisCascio (Post 114625)
The Newton could do that, so it's not a hugely demanding problem.

LOL

Empirically, we are unable to establish any correlation between "the Newton could do it", or even "it's not a hugely demanding problem", and the probability of seeing it on the tablets.

The Newton, the Zauri, hey, even the iStuff can do it. We can't unless applications go out of their way to handle it.

Karel Jansens 2008-01-25 16:50

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Originally Posted by ghoonk (Post 133589)
Karel, remember MoreInfo for the Newton? That would be killer on this device, and if the Newton could pull it off back in 1997, I see no reason why this would not be possible on the NiT :)

And yes, full screen handwriting recognition would be a blessing, cursive or otherwise. I was tinkering about with my iPaq 3970 a couple of days back and somehow found Transcriber's use of the full screen refreshing, compared to the limited area of the input panel on the NiT

It is really really important to remember that many of those amazing Newton programs depend heavily on the "soup" data structure of NewtonOS. Think of Newton's file system more as one giant relational database, rather than a file system.

I'm not saying MoreInfo is impossible to realize on another platform, but that it requires a total rethinking and recoding of the application to make it work with "normal" file systems. To get something resembling the Newton look and feel on the Itablet would (in my humble and totally ignorant opinion, of course) require to rebuild the Itablet from the bottom up on a SQL database structure. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that no-one is going to do it.

As to real handwriting recognition, I mentioned my email and reply to PhatWare on this blog. It implies that CalliGrapher, or even PenOffice, are theoretically possible on the Itablet. It's just a question of who's going to front the cash for the OEM license.

PenOffice is as close to a mode-less HWR as we're ever going to hope to get on a system that wasn't designed with this input method from the start. The program emulates standard keyboard presses and mouse movements to the OS and it really doesn't need a separate input window; you can simply write all over the screen, the recognized text will be redirected to the cursor.

PenOffice is also a very powerful graphical macro system, which you can teach to do a variety of tasks from chosen ink gestures (e.g. write "kj", draw a circle around it and PenOffice will input "Karel Jansens" at the cursor, or write "awletter" to have it start Abiword with your letter template).

Well, enough salivating. The odds Nokia will ever procure PenOffice for the Itablets are as close to zero as the god Statisticus will allow for...

Karel Jansens 2008-01-25 16:54

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 133610)
LOL

Empirically, we are unable to establish any correlation between "the Newton could do it", or even "it's not a hugely demanding problem", and the probability of seeing it on the tablets.

The Newton, the Zauri, hey, even the iStuff can do it. We can't unless applications go out of their way to handle it.

It's not so much that, rather than that the Newton is such a different beast it is next to impossible to emulate its functionality in a different OS. Paul Guyot, the God of Newton, claimed, after an improbable amount of research, that it couldn't be done.

He then started the Einstein, now OpenEinstein, project to emulate the Newton OS itself inside other OSes. One day, this should result in the capability of turning an Itablet into a modern Newton, which uses all the hardware capabilities of the Nokia platform and still gives you the authentic Newton look and feel.

Still, even OpenEinstein requires the user to have an original Newton ROM image on his emulating machine...

Benson 2008-01-25 19:55

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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens (Post 133631)
It's not so much that, rather than that the Newton is such a different beast it is next to impossible to emulate its functionality in a different OS. Paul Guyot, the God of Newton, claimed, after an improbable amount of research, that it couldn't be done.

He then started the Einstein, now OpenEinstein, project to emulate the Newton OS itself inside other OSes. One day, this should result in the capability of turning an Itablet into a modern Newton, which uses all the hardware capabilities of the Nokia platform and still gives you the authentic Newton look and feel.

Still, even OpenEinstein requires the user to have an original Newton ROM image on his emulating machine...

Isn't copyright law a pain; it'd be nice if old ROMs lapsed into PD after x number of years since the last hardware.

But it only reveals the need for another project; an open-source OS for the Newton. Then that could be run on Einstein, and you'd have a Newton-clone.

The post I was quoting, BTW, was not about Newton-guts-dependent things; it was about landscape/portrait switching. Which CAN be implemented on normal OS/filesystem combos.

Karel Jansens 2008-01-25 21:32

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Originally Posted by Benson (Post 133735)
Isn't copyright law a pain; it'd be nice if old ROMs lapsed into PD after x number of years since the last hardware.

But it only reveals the need for another project; an open-source OS for the Newton. Then that could be run on Einstein, and you'd have a Newton-clone.

Gnuton was started and -- as usual -- pretty much abandoned.

I believe there was a project to emulate NewtonOS in Smalltalk or Squeak or something equally esotheric, but I don't know anything more about that.

Quote:

The post I was quoting, BTW, was not about Newton-guts-dependent things; it was about landscape/portrait switching. Which CAN be implemented on normal OS/filesystem combos.
But, as almost everything else, it was something Newtons did flawlessly. :rolleyes:

Ropesend 2008-02-13 00:18

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Im a physics/EE major i would like to see mathematica on this tablet. I know there is a free linux type software out there, but i would like to see if we could put a full or partial mathematica program on the IT. Preferably 5.0 or higher. I know it was done on a mac'd IT. Any thoughts?


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