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-   -   N900 will not allow USB OTG! (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921)

pataphysician 2009-09-22 00:21
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Are there actually people who wouldn't buy the n900 if it didn't have usb charging? I know some people want it, but would it actually be a deal breaker. one can easily create a "single" cable by taping a usb cable to the usb to nokia charging point cable, ca-100, so now you have one cable that's not very big, though it requires two free usb ports. Nokia also makes a cable, ca-126, with a single usb port to a nokia charger point and micro usb, which would only need one usb port on the pc, is there a problem with this straightforward solution?

While usb host is not important to many of people, it is an absolute deal breaker for some of us, whereas I can't really see that being true for usb charging.

BruceL 2009-09-22 00:21
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 331048)
If someone writes the code, I'm sure someone will be able to test it. But rigging up a power injector or powered hub for just a USB key is going to be pretty lame, and carrying a hub and battery pack around is almost as bad as an extra tablet....
It isn't just about carrying it, qole. A battery pack doesn't take maintenance. I don't have to update the software, figure out why it isn't booting, worry about battery life. It isn't merely that I don't want to carry something. I don't want to carry (and maintain) another COMPUTER.

If the TESTMODE hack works I'll be a happy guy. Does anyone know what a script to activate USB Testmode would look like?

allnameswereout 2009-09-22 00:23
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Well maybe there wasn't space available to do that, and there were time constrains, as pointed out various times throughout this thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by range (Post 331054)
Plus Firewire-800, ExpressCard 34 and ESATA! :p
HDMI, pigeon protocol (RFC 1149), and remote detonator for battery!

Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 331049)
when all the newbies was complaining about no portrait support out the box lot of the older community members was there slaughtering them.
now theres a feature missing what affects a lot of them more its ok to complain about n900 now hmmm. Theres a little bit of double standards around here.
People have complained about
  • Lack of complete portrait mode support
  • Screen size downgraded
  • Lack official of BlueTooth DUN
  • Non-optional 3G
  • Non-optional keyboard
  • Focus on finger/touch instead of stylus
  • Lack of capacitive screen
  • Lack of multi touch
  • Lack of digital compass
  • Price
  • Lack of 2 USB ports, 2 SD ports
  • Lack of USB host mode / OTG
  • Lack of DRM (:D)
  • Waiting...
And so on, and so on. There is always something to complain about. Such as complaining about complaining or "..but does it run Linux"... :D

There will always be people unhappy with some things about the device. But there are also many features which are applauded and make happy customers. You don't hear those voices too often though, but they're there, and when Nokia N900 ships they will be heard :cool:

JayOnThaBeat 2009-09-22 00:23
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Alright, this thread is starting to suck now.

How about we let it sit until there is a solution. Going back and forth between "Dealbreaker! How dare they?" and "We don't need it, there are alternatives!" and "Let's wait and see!" is getting repetitive.

A moratorium until people have the device! A moratorium, I say!

:cool:

|||EDIT

Show your support of my decree by not replying.... thanks'ing will suffice ;)

BruceL 2009-09-22 00:27
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 331058)
There will always be people unhappy with some things about the device. But there are also many features which are applauded and make happy customers. You don't hear those voices too often though, but they're there, and when Nokia N900 ships they will be heard :cool:
Like mine. I am a HUGE fanboy. This is the first issue that has really gotten to me.

fnordianslip 2009-09-22 00:27
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 331049)
when all the newbies was complaining about no portrait support out the box lot of the older community members was there slaughtering them.
now theres a feature missing what affects a lot of them more its ok to complain about n900 now hmmm. Theres a little bit of double standards around here.
The thing is that YOU can fix that yourself by writing code, or failing that, someone else can. The same is true of MMS support, but we are totally reliant on Nokia to get the hardware right, and it seems that in this respect they have failed.

GeneralAntilles 2009-09-22 00:29
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matan (Post 331019)
I hope you realise that you suggest replacing a 2$ device with an 80$ device. I know that people that spend 600 Euro on a cellular phone seem like they have more money then sense, but it still looks a bit over the top.
I'm suggesting a reasonable workaround to a poor situation. Take it or leave it.

Architengi 2009-09-22 00:30
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by allnameswereout (Post 331058)
Well maybe there wasn't space available to do that, and there were time constrains, as pointed out various times throughout this thread.

HDMI, pigeon protocol (RFC 1149), and remote detonator for battery!

People have complained about
  • Lack of complete portrait mode support
  • Screen size downgraded
  • Lack official of BlueTooth DUN
  • Non-optional 3G
  • Non-optional keyboard
  • Focus on finger/touch instead of stylus
  • Lack of capacitive screen
  • Lack of multi touch
  • Lack of digital compass
  • Price
  • Lack of 2 USB ports, 2 SD ports
  • Lack of USB host mode / OTG
  • Lack of DRM (:D)
  • Waiting...
And so on, and so on. There is always something to complain about. Such as complaining about complaining or "..but does it run Linux"... :D

There will always be people unhappy with some things about the device. But there are also many features which are applauded and make happy customers. You don't hear those voices too often though, but they're there, and when Nokia N900 ships they will be heard :cool:

>>>> the device / phone to be sold in the EU.
>>>> POLITICIANS have decided on one standard way of charging: MicroUSB.

What if someone wants to use the USB HOST (for let's say reading an USB flash memory or a CD/DVD drive) and at the same time the device needs charging?

Nokia should have think from the beginning to put 2 USB ports on this so-called "mobile computer"... :o


I want to ADD something to the list above:

Can the second USB port be USB HOST *and* pen sharpener instead of being USB charger? :D

pataphysician 2009-09-22 00:31
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by range (Post 331051)
That won't work if you want the device to be a phone *and* to be sold in the EU. Device manufacturers have decided on one standard way of charging: MicroUSB.
That agreement is not legally binding, and there are exceptions allowed for unusual devices, I would think usb host as a feature, which can't be implemented currently with usb charging would qualify.

range 2009-09-22 00:31
Re: N900 will not allow USB OTG!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceL (Post 330964)
They could have made it work, but for politics.
Politics defined by the USB standardization guys.


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