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-   -   N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35391)

mattball686 2010-05-29 07:54
Re: N900 Problem list.
 
I lookat it as I would my laptop.......theye no t perfect and you will occsionaly get shutdowns unexpected errors (that never return). Nothing is perfect.I have my days when I wish I had a iphone or desire.....that moment soon passes when I release that they only do whats on the box..........N900 you can do what you like there is no boundries.So do your research and then decide what you want the device todo. I chose the N900 and I am not disapointed (frustrared sometimes may I add lol).
Good luck with your choice.

Flynx 2010-05-29 07:57
Re: N900 Problem list.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ching1206 (Post 399012)
hey guys.
i am planning to order the N900.
But after reading the forum.
there are quite a bit of problems n its KINDA holding me back from pressing the order button.

list your exp. with the problem here
so future owners or potential buyers know what to expect.
There is already a thread for this.
N900 issues for potential buyers

9000 2010-05-29 07:59
Re: N900 Problem list.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flynx (Post 687515)
There is already a thread for this.
N900 issues for potential buyers
This one is totally irreverent now--->http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=186

ysss 2010-05-29 08:43
Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bec (Post 687502)
Then why not make the first post accordingly to PR 1.2 and make it objective?

I simply asked to remove the iPhone comparisons from the first post because even as the author said:

So how can he really know in what fields iPhone would behave better?

It's not that I say he's a liar, but does he really have an N900? Most of his post is picked up from scraps around the forum, his own complaints aren't quite supported by more than 3-4 users and a correct discussion can't be based on an outdated report - he seems unable to update to PR 1.2... that if he has an N900... my bad only Nokias he said...

So let's have a level headed discussion instead of yet another "vs". thread ;)
This is really all I asked: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=154
I don't know about etuoyo's experience in regards to iphone, but I own an iPhone (currently 3GS, but I've also owned the 3G and 1st gen) and I agree 100% with that passage about N900 vs iPhone comparison by etuoyo that you questioned.

I'd even add that the experience of using and navigating on the last gen of iPhone (3G) is in whole still generally smoother and more fluid than the N900.

9000 2010-05-29 09:02
Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 687557)
I don't know about etuoyo's experience in regards to iphone, but I own an iPhone (currently 3GS, but I've also owned the 3G and 1st gen) and I agree 100% with that passage about N900 vs iPhone comparison by etuoyo that you questioned.

I'd even add that the experience of using and navigating on the last gen of iPhone (3G) is in whole still generally smoother and more fluid than the N900.
Forgive me if the words sound offensive to you.

The argument is not on whether he made a valid comparison, it's his claim 'never own other phone that is not Nokia' questionable: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=188

You own both devices so of course you can testify. However, in this regard, have you taken into account that, under the same CPU condition, N900 has 800x480 pixels and multitasking, while iPhone only has 480x320 pixels and selective tasking?

ysss 2010-05-29 09:14
Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9000 (Post 687577)
You own both devices so of course you can testify. However, in this regard, have you taken into account that, under the same CPU condition, N900 has 800x480 pixels and multitasking, while iPhone only has 480x320 pixels and selective tasking?
As a matter of fact, I have:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...933#post547933

But that's part of Nokia's design decision isn't it?
Those improvements are chalked up as N900's positive points on a different list and they have to bear the compromises of their design decisions as cons on this list.

Moreover, the UI smoothness issue has been discussed and attributed to software issue that could be addressed without any hardware changes. So in the end, it's not hardware limitation afterall... they're design deficiencies.

9000 2010-05-29 09:33
Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 687593)
As a matter of fact, I have:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...933#post547933

But that's part of Nokia's design decision isn't it?
Those improvements are chalked up as N900's positive points on a different list and they have to bear the compromises of their design decisions as cons on this list.

Moreover, the UI smoothness issue has been discussed and attributed to software issue that could be addressed without any hardware changes. So in the end, it's not hardware limitation afterall... they're design deficiencies.
Why should Nokia compromises? What's the niche in N900 if Nokia wanted to do it the same way as iPhone?

Do we want another iPhone clone?

The last paragraph of your reply has already been strayed away from our initial argument on "UI comparison between N900 and iPhone". I'd rather start another thread elsewhere because I don't want to open too many discussions in this tiresome thread. I hope you don't mind.

ysss 2010-05-29 13:02
Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9000 (Post 687617)
Why should Nokia compromises? What's the niche in N900 if Nokia wanted to do it the same way as iPhone?

Do we want another iPhone clone?

The last paragraph of your reply has already been strayed away from our initial argument on "UI comparison between N900 and iPhone". I'd rather start another thread elsewhere because I don't want to open too many discussions in this tiresome thread. I hope you don't mind.
Higher resolution may result in higher cost, higher amount of digital assets to make use of (storage, ram, cpu, gpu) which may result in higher power drain. It depends on what's available at the time of design.

Let's not make wrongful assumptions and harshly act on them in a level headed discussion.

9000 2010-05-29 13:15
Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 687896)
Higher resolution may result in higher cost, higher amount of digital assets to make use of (storage, ram, cpu, gpu) which may result in higher power drain. It depends on what's available at the time of design.
I see your point, but if Nokia has chosen anything less for N900 I wouldn't buy it, and I think that speaks for many people.

I just want to say I agree that iPhone is smoother in UI, but since hardware-wise N900's overhead is higher, the comparison is unfair.

Quote:
Let's not make wrongful assumptions and harshly act on them in a level headed discussion.
No..don't worry. It was just my wrongly chosen words that make it looks bad. My apology.

ysss 2010-05-29 13:23
Re: N900 Issues: For Potential Buyers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9000 (Post 687911)
I see your point, but if Nokia has chosen anything less for N900 I wouldn't buy it, and I think that speaks for many people.
One dimensional metrics are generally true for hobbyist with simpler usage patters. Case in point, PC gamers/modders. When you try to make decisions for a more complex problems (ie: choosing a handheld device to use for 20,000 mobile workers in 15 countries) then 'the best device' won't be measured with as simple metrics as the previous example.

Quote:
I just want to say I agree that iPhone is smoother in UI, but since hardware-wise N900's overhead is higher, the comparison is unfair.
Will you accept an iPhone fanboy citing (Apple's design decision of) not having a hardware keyboard when they fall behind in typing speed? Let's not pick and choose as you deem convenient. These products all have compromises, none of them are universally perfect.

I also think that you will have to eat your own words when this deficiency is fixed in the future (unofficial MeeGo for N900, maybe).


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