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ndi 2010-10-28 14:03
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by bobh (Post 855154)
If you think of the N900 as another smartphone, you may well be disappointed. If you think of it as an Internet Tablet with a phone bolted on, then you will probably be pretty happy with it.
I could think of my car as a stereo with a car bolted to it and the sound is pretty neat. This does not excuse the car from suddenly veering to the left if I play the stereo at the same time.

We aren't talking about advanced telephony here. I didn't say conference, conversation bridging, video call, even MMS. We are talking about a phone, bolted or not, that stutters in the middle of a call, fails to ring, can't take USSD (mandatory for many operators), has no Cell Broadcast and in many circumstances isn't just unwieldly, but downright unusable.

Bolted or not, if it hangs midcall on speaker and I can't press the red button and everybody hears my call it's below standard.

Plus, forget the phone. Is it a decent device one that can't play audio and browse the simplest of pages at the same time? Does it not imply that a Linux tablet with said specs can run such load with no issues? Lesser phones do.

I expect such issues to be resolved, in less than a year. It is not unreasonable. Feel free to add an argument against it.

And no I won't think of it as a tablet that makes calls. That may be a good trick to sleep better, but it's still wrong. Heck, if I think f it as a carrot, it's the best carrot ever.

Tedri Mark 2010-10-28 14:29
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 855279)
Exactly
this shows how it is anybody's right to expect and disappoint
some are reasonable like expecting adding advanced phone options as long as you are providing a phone option to whatever tool, and avoid that feeling of Oh thank God we have a phone now on a tablet, because simply this is old option already in other companies, so if you accept to be left behind under the title of acceptance to whatever you get!! it is your right too

and here is example of how superficial and non sense expectations might be in the above quoted text, yet i wont ever attack him, it is his capabilities to think that his dell might have navigation, for whatever reason, he is newbie in notebook, he cannot understand the difference, and might be fooled by someone and sold it to him as a phone, but we cannot attack him
dear i feel sorry for your loss and don't worry wait for the dell updates might include whatever you dream of be patient
Actually, it was a total joke. Why on earth would I expect that the laptop I bought, without a navigation program, would have one added on at a later date.

The fact that you thought I was totally reasonable in what i posted makes it very clear that

a) You want the moon on a stick

or

b) you are a troll

mhamza 2010-10-28 18:35
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Tedri Mark (Post 855332)
Actually, it was a total joke. Why on earth would I expect that the laptop I bought, without a navigation program, would have one added on at a later date.

The fact that you thought I was totally reasonable in what i posted makes it very clear that

a) You want the moon on a stick

or

b) you are a troll
Oh really it was a joke?!
noooo you are trying to hide your embarrassment of what u posted before, it is ok
you dont have to feel that bad we all do some mistakes might even be in public, like you did, the point is to learn not be embarrased and feel bad and try even to hide it telling that it is a joke and so
relax dear friend we are not judging you here and we might laugh for a sec. and then forget the whole issue about your floating Dell
and don't think i am making fun at you.
wait for the updates and i am sure if you persist on your dream you'll find your notebook coming back home alone navigating
and don't you ever feel embarrased fo your dreams no matter might sound Silly, i mean the dreams.

mhamza 2010-10-28 18:43
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by ndi (Post 855291)
I could think of my car as a stereo with a car bolted to it and the sound is pretty neat. This does not excuse the car from suddenly veering to the left if I play the stereo at the same time.

We aren't talking about advanced telephony here. I didn't say conference, conversation bridging, video call, even MMS. We are talking about a phone, bolted or not, that stutters in the middle of a call, fails to ring, can't take USSD (mandatory for many operators), has no Cell Broadcast and in many circumstances isn't just unwieldly, but downright unusable.

Bolted or not, if it hangs midcall on speaker and I can't press the red button and everybody hears my call it's below standard.

Plus, forget the phone. Is it a decent device one that can't play audio and browse the simplest of pages at the same time? Does it not imply that a Linux tablet with said specs can run such load with no issues? Lesser phones do.

I expect such issues to be resolved, in less than a year. It is not unreasonable. Feel free to add an argument against it.

And no I won't think of it as a tablet that makes calls. That may be a good trick to sleep better, but it's still wrong. Heck, if I think f it as a carrot, it's the best carrot ever.
Exactly, if they added a phone, then it has to be up to EXPECTED standards that match the device itself, am i supposed to accept a fancy expensive car, with all technology advances and distance detectors and touch screen soundsystem that playes old ordinary tapes only!!!

geneven 2010-10-28 18:43
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Originally Posted by slender (Post 854732)
*Facepalm*

Oh dear. You havenīt been long here (neither have I), but at least one thing what I have learned is that never ever use jump to conclusion mat. It makes you look like and assclown :|

Some of user here are Nokia employees. One of them Quim Qil has said IIRC (do not have citation right now) that please use Nokia care and Nokia conversations for feedback. Also this topic what we are discussing here has been discussed many many many times here and if you look Talk Faq ->rules from right side menu you got this:
http://talk.maemo.org/faq.php?faq=vb...q_tmorulestext
Also these rules have undergone long discussion. So for freaking sake please oh please! First paragraph there:

"talk.maemo.org is not operated by Nokia and is a community forum, so be aware that posts and topics specifically addressed to Nokia may not be seen by Nokia. Such threads or posts are allowed, but are subject to closure or deletion at moderators' discretion. To directly comment, complain or suggest to Nokia, please visit the official Nokia forums: Nokia Europe, and Nokia USA."

Is it too hard?No hard feelings but whatīs wrong with people?
Careful: A moderator might notice your demeaning "assclown" remark and rebuke you!

I'm joking, I'm sure the moderators could care less. Now, if you were on another side of the issue, it might be a different story.

I worked for a major corporation for many years, and I can tell you for sure that I monitored all sites where the products we sold were discussed. Any company that doesn't do that is dumb.

What's wrong with you? Why don't you understand that? Don't let people think you're an assclown!

bobh 2010-10-28 18:44
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by mhamza (Post 855250)
We are not yelling at anybody, no body is responsible for others to be disappointed at their own expectation.

i am Happy with my N900 as a Tablet and as a Phone, but,
what is the problem to expect more pleasure in being able to have a detailed log with call duration?
whats wrong with expecting a turn by turn navigation!
whats wrong with expecting a 3G video call
You can expect anything you want. Feel free. But Nokia never promised those things, did they? So why do you expect them?

Besides that, you do have some of the things you expect if you really want them. For example, you can get turn-by-turn navigation if you want it. It isn't as if Nokia is preventing you, but you not only expect it, you apparently expect it for free too. You would never expect that of a PC or Netbook.

My point was that if you look at the history of the device and how it came to be it seems clear that the creators of it thought of it more as a sort of Netbook than as a Phone. A really small portable PC type device where you could install any software you want and not be restricted by what the device vendor provided. In that world, if a free app doesn't do what you want, you go find one that does, or make one yourself.

Ultimately, if those things you expect were really super important to you, then you should have bought a device that had them. Expecting non-promised features to appear for free later on isn't being realistic. Complaining about that here does no one any good.

bobh 2010-10-28 19:00
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by ndi (Post 855291)

We aren't talking about advanced telephony here. I didn't say conference, conversation bridging, video call, even MMS. We are talking about a phone, bolted or not, that stutters in the middle of a call, fails to ring, can't take USSD (mandatory for many operators), has no Cell Broadcast and in many circumstances isn't just unwieldly, but downright unusable.
Yet mine does not suffer from stuttering in calls or failing to ring. It does now support USSD (and even before there was an app), it does have conference calling (yes, I have used it) and video calling (just not the way you want it), and MMS (through an app).

So of all those terrible complaints, only one seems to actually be a real complaint. Either Nokia or a third party has resolved them for you. And yet you are abandoned and unsupported and mad at them all.

Just FYI, I know people who have Android phones who suffer from issues too. Phones that hang for seconds at a time for instance. I think that is an almost unavoidable consequence of letting the user install any random thing on the device.

And if the device provides multitasking, it is also providing more ways for the user to shoot himself in the foot. Restricting you in that way is one reason that older smartphones don't suffer from such issues as much.

But hey, it is more fun to yell how much Nokia sucks.

bobh 2010-10-28 19:04
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndi (Post 855291)
I could think of my car as a stereo with a car bolted to it and the sound is pretty neat. This does not excuse the car from suddenly veering to the left if I play the stereo at the same time.
Maybe you should buy a car that won't let you drive and listen to the stereo at the same time. That way such things will never happen.

leetut 2010-10-28 19:13
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im not dissapointed my n900 at all
it is awesome and still running pr1.2 with all the various community fixes and apps

slender 2010-10-28 19:19
Re: PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!
 
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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 855679)
Careful: A moderator might notice your demeaning "assclown" remark and rebuke you!

I'm joking, I'm sure the moderators could care less. Now, if you were on another side of the issue, it might be a different story.

I worked for a major corporation for many years, and I can tell you for sure that I monitored all sites where the products we sold were discussed. Any company that doesn't do that is dumb.

What's wrong with you? Why don't you understand that? Don't let people think you're an assclown!
So you ignored totally link to talk maemo rules?
Whole point of this forum is totally something different than giving straight feedback to Nokia. Trying to give it here is just not effective and itīs regarded as noise. Trying to make argument against tmo rules by trying to point out that for company like Nokia itīs stupid to ignore random user output makes arguer this lovely clown that everybody loves.

Any company that blindly monitors some enthusiastic users community is dumb. Only way to dig up meaningless information is by different ways and the most important way that management uses is the questionnaires. Also questionnaires do not give accurate feedback if the mass is not critical. Things are not simple as they might look like (This might be surprise to people who tend to think that blogs what they watch are right about mind-share and trends) Never trust anyone or anything until you get hard figures and numbers.

So I would advise people to put their rage to bugzilla voting and bug reporting. Better ways of giving feedback would be Nokia conversations, Nokia care, Nokia dicsussions, own blog, own facebook, own twitter or all combined.


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