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vitaly_repin 2010-01-11 15:28
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hge (Post 464287)
OK, the first post on this thread tells me in context of MS Exchange 2003:

"Wait for Software update"

Ok, it might be ok if something is not working and is getting to be fixed. With in later post I can read:

"Exchange 2003 support has been implemented, so it's down to when they're releasing it (I've not heard it having been fixed in the PR1.1 RC). I've no idea who's responsible for deciding that - doesn't seem to be the developers though.
PR1.1

Quote:
And today there was an Maemo 5 Update - after a very long time of useless of my N900. And what? Still not working.
maemo 5 update you received yesterday/today is PR1.0.1 update.

Quote:
What is going on here, guys wake up - this MfE 2003 Bug is critical and you've lost another customer.
This is not a bug. This is missed feature. It is added in PR1.1 release. It was distributed to selected users in this forum and it was confirmed that Exchange 2003 works in that update.

vitaly_repin 2010-01-11 15:29
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hge (Post 464326)
Honestly, I can't listen to this anymore that the update is coming soon.
You can check this forum and bugzilla at bugs.maemo.org to be sure that this update really exists, works with Exchange 2003 and nobody tries to lie you.

vitaly_repin 2010-01-11 15:47
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmarkm (Post 464285)
And this update does have MfE changes in it. Previous version you were able to sync Calender AND/OR tasks but now these 2 have been lumped together so that you have to sync both.
Just in case you remember. What was the "previous version" you have used? 42-11 (which is sales release) or earlier?

I have just asked our tester to flash the device with 42-11 release. And checked MfE settings. It is not possible to synchronize calendar but not to synchronize tasks. They are lumped together.

However, I remember the release when they were decoupled. And as far as I remember it was long time ago before sales release.

Could somebody who has not updated yet check that I am not in mistake and MfE settings in sales release do not allow to sync tasks but not calendar? If they do allow, could you make a screenshot of MfE settings (calendar/tasks-specific) and attach it to the post? As well as the release version (could be found in control panel, "About product"). Thank you in advance.


Quote:

I then get "Echange Server Is not Responding" on the device

If you want the full log lines I can get them to you but dont want to post them on a public forum
Logs from the device could be beneficial.
http://wiki.maemo.org/Mail_For_Excha...g_ON_or_OFF.3F

sjordet 2010-01-11 16:05
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 464336)
This is not a bug. This is missed feature.
Crappety crap that this is not a bug. The specifications clearly say: "Supported protocols: Mail for Exchange, IMAP, POP3, SMTP".

"Mail for Exchange" means mail for Exchange, not mail for Exchange 2007. How you can call that a feature is beyond me.

djmarkm 2010-01-11 16:14
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 464366)
Just in case you remember. What was the "previous version" you have used? 42-11 (which is sales release) or earlier?

I have just asked our tester to flash the device with 42-11 release. And checked MfE settings. It is not possible to synchronize calendar but not to synchronize tasks. They are lumped together.

However, I remember the release when they were decoupled. And as far as I remember it was long time ago before sales release.

Could somebody who has not updated yet check that I am not in mistake and MfE settings in sales release do not allow to sync tasks but not calendar? If they do allow, could you make a screenshot of MfE settings (calendar/tasks-specific) and attach it to the post? As well as the release version (could be found in control panel, "About product"). Thank you in advance.




Logs from the device could be beneficial.
http://wiki.maemo.org/Mail_For_Excha...g_ON_or_OFF.3F

Unfortunately not sure of previous *working" version. The device is less than 2 weeks old.
I'm part of the Nokia / Nielson market research program and Nokia sent me this device directly 2 weeks ago.
Only just got MfE working 5 days ago (on 6 Jan - Thanks Labra, see previous posts) had certificate issue which required symbolic linking.
Tasks and Calendar definately not coupled on my old version (I'm naughty and store a password list in my tasks which is why I never want it syncronised to the device)

Unfortunately I see no way of undoing this update to get me back to my working starting point so I can give you the info you need.

Was going to post IIS logs, but do you just want device logs?

vitaly_repin 2010-01-11 16:15
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjordet (Post 464411)
Crappety crap that this is not a bug. The specifications clearly say: "Supported protocols: Mail for Exchange, IMAP, POP3, SMTP".

"Mail for Exchange" means mail for Exchange, not mail for Exchange 2007. How you can call that a feature is beyond me.
Hmm.

It looks like we are mixing 2 different areas here. Marketing (your PoV) and engineering (my PoV).

Bug for me means the broken functionality. Not the functionality which was not implemented at all. Which is the case with Exchange 2003.

Bug for you means the broken expectation. You have expected to have Exchange 2003 support on board (or most probably you have expected to have Exchange xxx support on board regardless of the xxx value).

So, as a Nokia employee I am really sorry about the bad experience you are having. But as an engineer I tend to use engineering terminology. Didn't want to attack you, sorry.

vitaly_repin 2010-01-11 16:16
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmarkm (Post 464437)
Was going to post IIS logs, but do you just want device logs?

Just device logs.

SubCore 2010-01-11 16:20
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 464366)
Could somebody who has not updated yet check that I am not in mistake and MfE settings in sales release do not allow to sync tasks but not calendar?
i have a retail device with release firmware (42-11) and did not update yet - was planning on doing that later at home.

"Synchronize Calendar and tasks" is the only option available, so yes, you're right vitaly. In the sales release these two are clumped together and cannot be enabled/disabled individually.

djmarkm 2010-01-11 16:36
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 464443)
Just device logs.
Sorry but am I being a bit thick?
I've just been to the Documentation/devtools/maemo5/syslog page and can't find any download location.

I folowed the link to the sysklogd man page and still can't find where to download this from?

I also searched the "Downloads" section for Syslog or SysKlogD and both return Not Found

:(

Rob1n 2010-01-11 16:39
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
From X Terminal, do:
Code:
root
apt-get install sysklogd

djmarkm 2010-01-11 17:35
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
vitaly_repin : Have managed to sort out the MfE issue. Seems that the exchange server was in a bit of an unusual state

We rebooted the server, did a full resync and it's all ok. (Although I now have tasks grrr!)

Thanks for all your help and assistance

Zhentar 2010-01-11 18:39
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 459356)
Thanks for the link but I'm the reporter for that bug ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 459356)
[Personal opinion begins]
I open mail application only once - during the device start-up. N900 is good with multitasking. That's why I prefer to keep the modest opened all the time. So, the idea is good but sounds like a minor improvement for me.
[Personal opinion ends]
It appears that I can only open one instance of Modest at a time, but I have two e-mail accounts (Personal + Work). Checking both means switching back to the account selection screen regularly, and it's not apparent from there which, if either, has new messages.


As far as open source goes, the current state of the Maemo servers deters me from trying to figure things out. Maybe after the upgrade :)

redonj 2010-01-11 18:53
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I have a N900 that without the ability to synchronize with ME 2003, is not useful to me.
It would be desirable that Nokia is committed to setting a date for this problem and end this discussion

okorf 2010-01-11 20:01
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Broken after Maemo update
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 464336)
PR1.1



maemo 5 update you received yesterday/today is PR1.0.1 update.



This is not a bug. This is missed feature. It is added in PR1.1 release. It was distributed to selected users in this forum and it was confirmed that Exchange 2003 works in that update.

Hi,

so what does qualify one to receive this PR1.1? I am after all working for a half-Nokia subsidiary.. and desperately need 2003 connectivity:-(

Also I do volunteer to consider writing a 3GPP GBA client for Maemo..

Gruß okorf

Neodim 2010-01-12 10:03
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Sorry, can someone explain, I have version 1.2009.41-11, how can i install mail for exchange with server version 2003? Is it possible at this time, or still not?

Thanks.

Snaps 2010-01-12 10:09
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Hi Vitaly (privet!),

Is there any ETA on PR1.1 release? I really need Exchange 2003 working.

Cant Nokia release a PR1.0.2 update, just including the Exchange 2003 fix?

Snaps 2010-01-12 10:09
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neodim (Post 465943)
Sorry, can someone explain, I have version 1.2009.41-11, how can i install mail for exchange with server version 2003? Is it possible at this time, or still not.

Thanks.
Not possible yet. Its coming in the PR1.1 update, which testers report its working just fine :)

DaSilva 2010-01-12 10:20
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaps (Post 465953)
Hi Vitaly (privet!),

Is there any ETA on PR1.1 release? I really need Exchange 2003 working.

Cant Nokia release a PR1.0.2 update, just including the Exchange 2003 fix?
Wait for the 18th of January, I am not 100% sure but at this day you should have a good chance to see PR1.1.

Neodim 2010-01-12 10:20
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaps (Post 465953)
Hi Vitaly (privet!),

Is there any ETA on PR1.1 release? I really need Exchange 2003 working.

Cant Nokia release a PR1.0.2 update, just including the Exchange 2003 fix?
Thanks
Yeah, it is realy important, when we can expect it to come? I can`t work without it.

Snaps 2010-01-12 10:22
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaSilva (Post 465967)
Wait for the 18th of January, I am not 100% sure but at this day you should have a good chance to see PR1.1.
Interesting, how do you know? Any Source on this? I can wait a week if its really coming then.

DaSilva 2010-01-12 10:24
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I don't have an official source (and you won't find any), sorry.
Also Sygic Mobile Maps should be released at this day but this is a little bit offtopic...

floffe 2010-01-12 12:01
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I'm not sure how many times Vitaly has said (in this thread, most of them) that he as an engineer cannot comment on any expected release dates or plans. It's also stated Nokia policy not to comment on updates before they are released, so all the begging here will probably be fruitless.

vikas 2010-01-12 15:00
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Hi - i agree that asking Vitaly will not help get this issue resolved, but I hope that he can ensure that this issue has been escalated and that manay people are waiting for some good news on their incredibly expensive devices....

floffe 2010-01-12 15:07
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
But he has also stated (and others have confirmed) that Exchange 2003 works in the soon-to-be-released PR1.1, and that one is already being pushed out as soon as it is deemed working. They certainly aren't holding it back just to annoy you, there are many other important fixes in 1.1 as well (such as the 3 SIM issue).

arkanoid 2010-01-12 16:20
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Does google work better with PR1.1? Is dummy email folder if you set up calendar-only sync still there?

vitaly_repin 2010-01-13 14:45
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arkanoid (Post 466581)
Does google work better with PR1.1?
No. It shall not.

Quote:
Is dummy email folder if you set up calendar-only sync still there?
Unfortunately, yes. We are currently working on this bug to be fixed.

whealy 2010-01-13 16:20
MfE question
 
I’m trying to figure out of MfE will allow me to accept/decline a meeting notice that has been emailed to me. I’m syncing email and calendar with Exchange 2007. Both sync just fine. I just don’t see an option to address these meeting requests and was unsuccessful in finding anything from a search perspective.

Any insight would be appreciated.

rewt 2010-01-13 16:34
Re: MfE question
 
Well, searching does yield some results. Looking around the MfE FAQ also provides useful information.

Strutten 2010-01-13 19:53
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by callerid (Post 444118)
I've been using Mfe and GMail, and for the most part they work well (I've had to give up trying to set up Yahoo mail). Anyhow, I may be doing something wrong or not finding the right settings, but
- is there any way in which I can tell how many unread messages in each mailbox on the main screen (without having to go down into the mailboxes which take 30 secs to load)?
- when a preview notification shows up, I click on it and it takes me to the message. Super. But then I can't delete the message! The garbage box is greyed out. I have to go into the mailbox to delete the message. Is there any way to delete from the preview?
I would very much like to know this too. It is ver annoying to have to first read the message, and then press five buttons to actually delete the email. I like the mail-client otherwise (I use Gmail, but after reading this thread, I archived all I could, and am now ver satisfied!)

whealy 2010-01-13 20:56
Re: MfE question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rewt (Post 468673)
Well, searching does yield some results. Looking around the MfE FAQ also provides useful information.
Quote:
Originally Posted by whealy (Post 468641)
I just don’t see an option to address these meeting requests and was unsuccessful in finding anything from a search perspective.
So if I'm missing something please feel free to educate me. Otherwise, I can't find any information on accepting/rejecting calendar events sent via email.

sjgadsby 2010-01-13 21:00
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Threads merged.

AltarCrystal 2010-01-14 03:03
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Though I'm happy that Nokia recognized the importance of pushing out this fix in the very first (big) update, I do with we would be getting the ability to accept meeting invitations =\. Atleast we have web access at work as well so once I receive the message I can accept it online, it's just that we use this all the time where I work (as in, for every meeting we have).

But again, atleast we're getting 2003 support, it's been painful to go without it the past couple of weeks.

vitaly_repin 2010-01-14 07:44
Re: MfE question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whealy (Post 469129)
Otherwise, I can't find any information on accepting/rejecting calendar events sent via email.
Check this section in the MfE FAQ. Sorry, this feature is not supported yet.

HugoSon 2010-01-14 07:47
Re: MfE question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 469836)
... Sorry, this feature is not supported yet.
But glad to read the "yet" in your answer ;)

Ac1d 2010-01-14 07:53
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
mfe 2003 still not work!! Sync mail and calendar half and then said failed.

copy vitaly "next update for sure 2003 support and working" BS!

vitaly_repin 2010-01-14 08:07
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ac1d (Post 469851)
mfe 2003 still not work!! Sync mail and calendar half and then said failed.
With Exchange 2003 and after applying PR1.1???

What is now the version of the software you have (Parameters/About)?

Ac1d 2010-01-14 08:12
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 469872)
with exchange 2003 and after applying pr1.1???

What is now the version of the software you have (parameters/about)?
2.2009.51-1

LadyBug 2010-01-14 08:19
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ac1d (Post 469851)
mfe 2003 still not work!! Sync mail and calendar half and then said failed.
That's interesting. This is exactly what happens when I sync my N900 (with the new .51 firmware) with my Zimbra backend.

The sync process finishes the e-mail and calendar bits ok, but tasks sync fails with "Exchange error". Of course the GUI doesn't tell which parts synced and which did not, instead the error is thrown in the middle of the "Calendar & tasks" progress bar, but the evidence in my device points to error being in tasks sync.

Originally I thought this is just a problem caused by using a Zimbra server instead of Exchange, but if other people using Exchange are having the same issue, it might be more general.

For comparison, my E71 can sync with my Zimbra backend just fine.

vitaly_repin 2010-01-14 08:41
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyBug (Post 469904)
The sync process finishes the e-mail and calendar bits ok, but tasks sync fails with "Exchange error". Of course the GUI doesn't tell which parts synced and which did not, instead the error is thrown in the middle of the "Calendar & tasks" progress bar, but the evidence in my device points to error being in tasks sync.
Really bad. Thank you for the feedback. Could you share the logs from device (check FAQ (the link is in the first msg of this thread))? would be really beneficial.

Ac1d 2010-01-14 08:43
Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 469958)
Really bad. Thank you for the feedback. Could you share the logs from device (check FAQ (the link is in the first msg of this thread))? would be really beneficial.
Yep, i have same problem. Hope quick fix come. I dont like S60 style, "ok we fix that in next firmware"


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