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They changed nothing so far. Nokia software engineering can't match MS

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Yeah who could ever match wanders of software engineering like win me, netbios, all win server editions, the win 8 costumer preview, wlm I could write more but I don't want to spend the rest of my life counting MS failures.

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Yes, Nokia can extend WP on the OS-level. E.g. they implemented NFC support for the Lumia 600 series this way (since WP 7.5 does not support NFC at all). And I assume the PureView technology will also need OS modifications by Nokia.

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NITdroid can't make phone calls still, right?

What's the use of a mobile OS that doesn't make calls?

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for fun, you know how fun without laugh? Thats it

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Then that makes it a toy. I would rather not make my phone into a toy... I actually use it for business.

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Every person has their own need, dualbooting, 1 side for bussines, and other for fun, :)

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I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying.

What you're describing would be two devices. I miss a phone call, that's a loss for me. That's why I have a handset and a tablet. I hack the heck out of my tablet; rarely do the same on my phone.

We differ there. Let's just agree there. I purchase a phone for some tweaking, but honestly, I require stability.

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[QUOTE=Zoxir;1195388]Ok I have a few questions. First of all does anyone know about a change nokia made to the WP code???? Second of all if nokia can actually make changes and then Microsoft offers WP to other manifacturers isn't Nokia doing R&D for free for companies like htc and samsung? Third of all where it was ever said that MS is to split royalty income with Nokia? Since when is google asking royalties for android????[/QUOTE



il keep this short and straight forward I really dont want to go on my computer right now.

1.its hard to tell because they would not tell you until the product is done and dusted. From the top of my head an example that was given was imaging.because nokia is market leaders in mobile imaging.

2.no, wp is a platform.(nokia is not changing the whole of windows phone, justwhere are good TX etc.) The ip belongs to nokia, eg, google used alot of Ip that motorola owned. By buying them they can avoid legal action. You have to pay someone for the use of their IP/PATENTS or else you get sued.
> it's a no
3. Press release. (example in point 2)

4. Android is not free, its open source. How do you think google makes money apart from advertising?. OEMS use android commercially, nor for personal use. Google charges for using its services "COMMERCIALLY" not private use. This is why the new ipad--in iphoto does not use google maps.

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maemo5 or harmattan? Yes i totally agree about stability, but both fremantle or harmattan are stable, for me personally my n900 boot into maemo5 in the morning(i need call, thats true), but when i come home, Nitdroid is there(my son(3years old) wanna play fruit ninja, and i use my n9(my wife's phone), already sold my lumia and galaxy, i just loving how the way maemo is, totally different and unique

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And therein lies my problem. Maemo was different enough to have compelled me to purchase multiple devices over multiple iterations of their OS.

And now, we're dealing with the fact that Maemo will not be funded in a way we'd all consider worthy for what innovations it brings to the table. Also, third party support will never be what we'd like either and community support is great, downright impressive what's been done in this community actually... but we'll never see certain tier apps that mainstream folks need to compel them to invest into a platform.

Skype is great, no video call though? Problem. Google Talk is great, video even better... but no Google Plus nor support for "Huddles" and it becomes a hard sell.

No Whatsapp (officially), no Pandora (official), no official eBay, and you end up with a situation of where it's an orphaned mobile OS that multi-tasks like no other, but will not receive support from the people that make it all the way to third party support - no EA, no Microsoft (on Maemo)... among others. It's not there on Maemo.

And after 6+ years, you cannot do that in a mainstream app wanting society. Nor can you do that without media - movies, music either.

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Thats nokia failure not support it, it will be different if nokia never say will abandon it, whatsapp or any other apps will come if nokia support it properly, maemo itself is brilliant

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1 Lets say I agree.

2 If nokia adds something to WP and WP is then sold to HTC then HTC would get whatever nokia added in the OS. WP is not Nokias IP and they can't sue anyone over it.

3 Press release said MS would poor some money down Nokias way for their choice but it was never mentioned that Nokia would get part out ow WP income which is minimal anyway I remember the analysis on hom MS was making more money suing Android manufacturers than from WP.

4 Um No the only one getting royalties for android is micro$hit. Android itself is free however if you want to use google services such as google maps commercially then you have to pay which was the case with iPad.

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Sooooo.... yeah. Website counter. heheh Awesome.. THAT's a reliable stat. Yeah, if you could...please cite the website that you got this from. So far, it's rapidly apparent that this is probably not very relevant but please feel free to make your case just the same.

I can't believe you didn't list the Zune right away. I would TOTALLY put that at the top of that list for the #1 Microsoft EPIC FAIL AWARD.


But.. but... szopin told me in another thread that running a NEWER version of Android is still better even if it's crippled! ;)


You seem to conveniently have this problem an awful lot when it looks like you're about to make a weak argument. :) Perhaps you should invest in a bluetooth keyboard like I do, or maybe wait until you get home to use a big boy's computer to tap out your blatherskite?

Citation please. I can't remember ever seeing this. Last I checked, I believe that title was held by Insight Imaging. Or maybe it was Aptina Imaging? Mitek Systems? ADI? You know... honestly, it looks like ANY company can claim to be the leader in mobile imaging and stranger (for your argument), I can't seem to find Nokia on that list of market leaders in mobile imaging. Just what the hell are you talking about? :)

This is a pretty common tactic (buying for patent portfolios) in a post-SCO era. Sad, but true. This is what even honest companies and open-source itself has even had to lower itself down to. This is why there's now the existence of things like the Open Inventions Network.

This doesn't.. even.. make sense? What are you pointing to specifically? What press release making what point?

It's free and open and only portions of it are closed. Pretty much the same deal you get with Maemo. I'm pretty sure Google makes ALL of its money on Android from both advertising and Android Market (play) cut of sales. There's no licensing of the free and open portions of Android and, last I checked, the closed portions were free as in beer with no fee for licensing. If you know otherwise, can you PLEASE.. PLEASE for the love of accuracy and informed knowledge cite where you're getting your information from? Otherwise, you're injecting new information without citation and it does look like an un-truth. Savvy? Otherwise, the only 'fee' I've seen are the submarine "troll" patents from Microsoft to extort a bogus license on bogus patents they won't even tell you about. That's certainly not income for Google and it's irrelevant as a "license."

You're starting to make Maemo sound like a Chinese knock-off eco-system with sound-alike, look-alike non-brand-name products that kinda-sorta look or do the thing the REAL ecosystems have and do... only something is off or crippled here and there.

Poor Maemo. What did Nokia do to you. You had SO MUCH PROMISE and POTENTIAL!

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Seen Nokia Transport on HTC device? It's a killer app for me, hope it will get ported to other Nokia OSes

Wifi/3G works well. Actually, just learned we have free HSPA+ internet in Poland, going to use my dev device for unlimited internet access. NITdroid is a likely oS for that as the SIM they give you doesn't support calls anyway (and is not capped like my standard contract). Sure, very limited user target, but have few friends who use their work mobile only for receiving sms(text) for server crashes, also quite some people carry two phones around (though usually other is blackberry, your experience might differ)

In different context, but yes (willing to bet gerbick has/carries few mobiles if he is so lacking upper tier apps, NITdroid ICS while having reliable Lumia together is an option, no? or does ebay app require calls...)

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Um... they said something like that... "Nokia N9 and MeeGo will be supported and updated 'for years'"

Yeah. Right.

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Great and all... it's still not a 1 for 1 phone call ready Android replacement.

eBay requires data. If dual-boot meant I'd not lose a call, I'd been happier. But that's not the case.

And for the record, I carry now only a laptop, an Android tablet and a cellphone. That's all...

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Tell that to gingerbread users, there's millions of them. Still, argument was over over-hyped Nokia/MS with no Apollo update kick their users in the nuts. Google does the same, has always been, no facebook fangroups have been devoted to: lets abandon Google as they churn out newer OSes faster than what we get. This argument was danramos specific as he posted vidblog with such claims as having any impact on WP sales (very unlikely, but they do spam daily so looking for talking points I guess)

EDIT: Sorry, need to jab for my own pleasure... what in N900 would make you loose 2 devices? For me: laptop, tablet and phone sounds just ridiculous. Surely work related stuff, but... N900 gives the idea that all those can be served by one device. What are the use-scenarios for the other junk (than phone)? Genuinely curious

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Yeah. Those Gingerbread users can actually make phone calls. Which part of that seems to be overlooked in my part of the discussion.

I don't have to have the newest, or fastest... but if I buy a phone, it needs to work as a phone. And if there's a lot of hype around replacing the OS it needs to work - remember when the HTC HD2 got Android, it also made phone calls.

MeeGo 1.3 was supposed to come out last October. There's enough nut kicks from all of these companies to go around to us consumers.

Definitely the case. But let's be honest... those fringe groups that want to do boycott something because X isn't coming to their machine... they'll end up buying something akin to what they're used to in the future or buy something that is more or less better researched in terms of becoming a purchase.

Flash 11 player, more RAM, better third party support, no resistive screen that scratches that damn easily, a bit bigger screen (same resolution okay), Unity3D support, more RAM (I feel the need to say this twice), AT&T 3G/LTE data radio(s), updated Skype, ability to run my Adobe AIR apps that I make now for Android/Blackberry/Intel App-Up, a non-loosening microUSB port...

I can list out more. But let's just say that my needs do not follow what the masses here want. I don't code QML - no compelling reasons nor device plans to grab onto while in the US - and honestly if I go back to something like a developers phone, I'd want it to be where I can get the most exposure.

Ovi wasn't doing that - in fact, originally they were infuriating folks it seems.

For work was only what I was relating to... for pleasure, only a phone. For some other stuff, phone in pocket and tablet in hand.

It tried rather hard. Take the insides of the N9, place them into the N950, add a few more refinements and that would have been a perfect phone + tablet replacement for me.

Now? Looking at the Samsung Galaxy Note instead. Nokia had their chance, and now my choices are expanding to where that's moving elsewhere now in regards to where I purchase something next.

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Great, you've just described your laptop... What is the tablet doing there in your luggage? (also pls tell us if you really rely on third party app support what OS is there, just for kicks, or is it wined)
Nothing personal man, but if I carried a laptop everywhere I go, I'd take the 3310 in case of nuclear blast.

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Actually... I described my tablet. My XOOM has all of that for the most part. Flash 11.x, a way to code/test out AS3 apps, Adobe AIR... but not more RAM (1gb) but quite a few more apps that help me in my daily operation(s)... and a seriously good browser (I've had better) and I'm good there.

And I can also publish from Unity3D to Android as well. Can't do that to Maemo.

But to go back over how "ridiculous" (implicit) it is to carry a laptop, I have to host and share website builds, MySQL and run versions on a screen that can be shared at 720p on our 50" LCD screen in our presentation room.

I do business. I need a phone that will facilitate that. I use a laptop to accomplish things in my business. I have a tablet that I tinker with - and if need be, display my prototypes (as above) via HDMI to that aforementioned LCD screen and if need be, can view other sites with Flash when they (the client) have other links they want to share.

I use a phone. I need a laptop. I entertain a tablet. I'm not talking about just using it to be using it - which, I do that too. I read comic books on my tablet too (way addicted from childhood to comic books)

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Wow didn't expect grammar nazi jab, I sincerely apologize english is not my native language (just hope you b*tches will have same experience once chinese replaces your glorious moment, nah, jk couldn't care less)
Still missing your description on creativity of tablet, except as another gadget to haul. Sounds bit dickish. N900 for me almost replaces desktop, but sure hasn't all the kill-features

P.S:. Love your sense of humour and would hate to personally jab you, just for me sincerely N900 fulfills most needs. Maybe try gcc 4.6 on device? One-two less garbage to carry around

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gai si de...

naw... no grammar nazi going on man. I couldn't do that if I wanted to - I'm way too often on the wrong side of the grammar rules to correct anybody.

My tablet has almost replaced a laptop. Almost.

At my home, I default to my tablet. N900 didn't do that for me - note: I need 3G on AT&T, was screwed out of that. The N900 was great, but it just didn't get the job done.

Dude... feel free to jab. Heck, stick around, I usually end up making a fool of myself.

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Glad it wasn't the case, you have no 3G on N900??? Got 3.5 in backwards country, maybe we're talking about different subjects here, but if your laptop/tablet give you faster net... move to europe (or abandon at&t whichever suits you)

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That's the problem with the US. The so-called "competition" has landed AT&T and other networks to operate on non-standard frequencies. Simply stated, we get screwed if a phone comes and supports only the standards.

I didn't switch to T-Mobile in the US, mainly because they have next to zero presence and coverage in my area.

Sad part, and I just thought of this... ever since I had an Android phone or my N9, I didn't pay for a tethered data account. Now... while on Windows Phone 7, I will have to pay for it.

Damn.

I was using my 3G access to get my tablet and my laptop on the internet for "the cheap". Crap. Didn't think of the fact I was doing it because I "owned" the phones (root on Android or minor tweak to start wi-fi hotspot in the US on MeeGo)

Anyway, competition in the US is different than anywhere in the world where competition is allowed. It's... really screwed up and the consumers are the loser.

Crap. Cannot believe that I didn't think on how I've been tethering for the last couple of years without paying for it. ****.

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Anyway, competition in the US is different than anywhere in the world where competition is allowed.

Bit out of topic, but... wtf. You are the pushers for free market for capitalism. Skip your pushing 'democracy' in Iraq and taliban countries... no wonder lumiaman sees taliban whenever someone tells him the truth (aside from torturing(waterboarding), internet censorship(SOPA/PIPA/CISPA), having used the A bomb against a civilian object... just my anti-US side speaking pls ignore it, it will degrade/diminish soon)

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The zune never quite made it in Europe let alone greece so I haven't used or seen it much it completely slipped my mind but I agree with you


Nokia transport is an application not a change in the source code. Are you suggesting that Nokias advantage over other WP manufacturers is creating apps???

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No, but creating a killer app with proper background (remember Nokia's position in geo) is an interesting development. Will Nokia write drivers/kernel parts only? They got paid quite a lot with no soft of their own which makes me believe 1.3b is more like -0.3 and still some 10b to shed. But naysayers will say nay and their month-to-month predictions of Nokia going bankrupt have so far been fruitless. Give it a month. How about 50 months?

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come on, you know how reality is, close bugtracker, etc etc, app developer have no interest anymore, thats true, but i can live with that, same like my n900, it just refuse to die, :)

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That was said before that stuff was announced.

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nah you got it then, how will an abandoned product attract more developer? Thats my point, its died before raising

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Actually, their month-to-month predictions have been increasingly fruitful, in case you haven't been following their valuation month-to-month. :)

WONTFIX, FIXED IN FREMANTLE, er.. HARMATTAN, er.. MEEGO--somethingorother...?

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lol thats why nokia deserved it, let them sinking, :D

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In the meantime the stock is at 3.70 :(

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http://www.quitor.com/wp-content/upl...arnevals-1.jpg

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Well we were debating about the ability of nokia to actually change the source code of WP them making good apps is irrelevant as so can HTC eg HTC Locations. They got paid because they committed to WP and turned their back to google what do you think would happen to WP if Nokia had gone android? Unless MS sees that Nokia is failing or thinking about changing strategy no more money will be going their way.

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Well, at the very least--if they went Android--people wouldn't be thinking THIS when when they think of Nokia phones:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4692/nokiaphone.jpg

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...And Nokia decided to go Windows 8 for their new upcoming tablet. This is going to be a joy to watch as it nosedives RIGHT into the same junkpile the Zune ended up.

Windows 8 tablets: Not open for business
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking...-business/2261

From his Google+ comment about his article:
"You know, I really don't care for Windows 8 much, but as I explained in this story I did see it having one spot where it might shine: On business tablets where Active Directory (AD) support would make it a natural for Windows shops and for companies that are taking a jaundiced view of the whole "bring your own device" (BYOD) movement. Well, guess what MSFT isn't putting in its tablets? AD. "

"Amazing."

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Are you trolling again? No other miseries to attend to, but bother pure Nokians?

I was in Germany a month ago, and everyone got iPhone. Nokia doesn't exist there either. The big question to Europeans, is why are they digging iPhone and androids in lieu of Symbian, and why they can't create the experience that iPhone and android provide