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szopin 2012-04-21 20:32
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1195539)
It seems that you're following some other conversation than the one we're having. You see, he (szopin of yesterday's conversation) was making the point that the N900 (a non-Android device) is getting a NEWER version of Android than most actual Android devices. To whit, I replied pointing out that the N900 Android experience is surely a newer one, but severely crippled and slower than even the slightly older versions of Android running on Android devices. :)
Yes, but that was in relation to argument (by tech daily blogspam you posted several times btw, main argument for nokia bashing in fact) that no apollo update is bad for Nokia. Whether NITdroid is crippled doesn't change a thing when 90% of android devices do not have ICS, and will most likely get it when Jxx will be the next big thing.

misterc 2012-04-21 21:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1195544)
Yes, but that was in relation to argument (by tech daily blogspam you posted several times btw, main argument for nokia bashing in fact) that no apollo update is bad for Nokia. Whether NITdroid is crippled doesn't change a thing when 90% of android devices do not have ICS, and will most likely get it when Jxx will be the next big thing.
maybe this is sort of picking on technical details?
i mean, as a technically reasonably knowledgeable person, i follow your discussion & appreciate the arguments of each side, but...

do the masses care?
to give an extreme example; last year, in some markets, there were still more WM devices sold then WP ones, several months (a year?) after later had officially replaced former.

on the other hand, a device with the latest features, the latest version & a fresh look usually sells well.
hell, even the N9 got noticeable sale numbers :D
possibly still more then any single Lumia with similar look & feel

markets are quite difficult to anticipate
see my signature... ppl may have objective information but still not take the logical decision which they should (according to the available information).

herpderp 2012-04-22 01:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1195539)
It just makes sense, I think. But you're welcome!
It does, but apparently not to everyone...

szopin 2012-04-22 02:02
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1195563)
maybe this is sort of picking on technical details?
i mean, as a technically reasonably knowledgeable person, i follow your discussion & appreciate the arguments of each side, but...

do the masses care?
to give an extreme example; last year, in some markets, there were still more WM devices sold then WP ones, several months (a year?) after later had officially replaced former.

on the other hand, a device with the latest features, the latest version & a fresh look usually sells well.
hell, even the N9 got noticeable sale numbers :D
possibly still more then any single Lumia with similar look & feel

markets are quite difficult to anticipate
see my signature... ppl may have objective information but still not take the logical decision which they should (according to the available information).
Totally agree (but daperl said I'm insane, so here is a grain of salt ->.<-, take it, you will most likely need it, works for coke and E)
Difficulty in anticipation is the reason behind Apple's stock downer, add to that: no other than Samsung Androir provider having sales on plus... android would have saved Nokia. Sorry, someone else shnould take their meds

danramos 2012-04-22 10:33
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http://www.wix.com/blog/wp-content/u...2/01/Nokia.jpg

misterc 2012-04-22 10:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1195771)
were communicators & the like really aimed at (junkie) kids? :confused:
:rolleyes:

but true, except when forced down their throats by idiotic IT dptms, hardly any serious user would go m$ >¦-)

Cue 2012-04-22 10:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1195651)
no other than Samsung Androir provider having sales on plus... android would have saved Nokia. Sorry, someone else shnould take their meds
this is such a myth. For one, HTC do too.

danramos 2012-04-22 10:49
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1195780)
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1195651)
Totally agree (but daperl said I'm insane, so here is a grain of salt ->.<-, take it, you will most likely need it, works for coke and E)
Difficulty in anticipation is the reason behind Apple's stock downer, add to that: no other than Samsung Androir provider having sales on plus... android would have saved Nokia. Sorry, someone else shnould take their meds
this is such a myth. For one, HTC do too.
By replying to his message, I suppose you're implying that you understood what he was saying? I have to confess that this writing is increasingly more difficult to understand.

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/0161...d1443d8d73.jpg

szopin 2012-04-22 13:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1195783)
By replying to his message, I suppose you're implying that you understood what he was saying? I have to confess that this writing is increasingly more difficult to understand.
4S being 'unrevolutionary' -> anticipation of iPhone5 -> stocks go down

On other android producers
HTC: http://www.slashgear.com/htc-reveals...lump-06221826/
From here http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...tphones-battle
Code:
In a bruising year, Samsung has emerged as the only one of the larger manufacturers to expand its smartphone business

Cue 2012-04-22 13:35
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1195841)
4S being 'unrevolutionary' -> anticipation of iPhone5 -> stocks go down

On other android producers
HTC: http://www.slashgear.com/htc-reveals...lump-06221826/
From here http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...tphones-battle
Code:
In a bruising year, Samsung has emerged as the only one of the larger manufacturers to expand its smartphone business
Yes,their sales are down and so is their revenue. Here is the important bit, in comparison to 2011. They still made a profit which is not something you can say for Nokia who made a huge loss. The other thing you are doing wrong is attributing that to Android. How exactly do you come to that conclusion seeing as everybody is making androids (except Nokia), some turning a huge profit, some not. And the one not making androids is showing the worst results.

Cue 2012-04-22 14:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1195783)
By replying to his message, I suppose you're implying that you understood what he was saying? I have to confess that this writing is increasingly more difficult to understand.
I'm highly trained in deciphering English when it is someones second language, so it helps. :D

ysss 2012-04-22 15:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1195783)
That's so wrong.
Britas shouldn't be used on salt water.

Cue 2012-04-22 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1195890)
That's so wrong.
Britas shouldn't be used on salt water.
Does it damage it? I know it doesn't desalinate the water but maybe Vader wants to preserve the trout he caught in clean brine. Pic makes perfect sense to me, Vader is clearly on a survival course and finds your lack of faith in what he is doing disturbing.

misterc 2012-04-22 18:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1195848)
[...] everybody is making androids (except Nokia)[...]
since when does Apple make ANDroid devices ?!?

Cue 2012-04-22 19:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1195977)
since when does Apple make ANDroid devices ?!?
I meant those that can realistically adopt another OS otherwise I would have mentioned RIM too.

danramos 2012-04-22 23:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1195867)
I'm highly trained in deciphering English when it is someones second language, so it helps. :D
Man, you are GOLDEN here, then. :) So much horribly, broken English! Even an American English speaker like myself has a hard time understanding it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1195848)
Yes,their sales are down and so is their revenue. Here is the important bit, in comparison to 2011. They still made a profit which is not something you can say for Nokia who made a huge loss. The other thing you are doing wrong is attributing that to Android. How exactly do you come to that conclusion seeing as everybody is making androids (except Nokia), some turning a huge profit, some not. And the one not making androids is showing the worst results.
That's the thing--I really don't understand his argument because he keeps dancing from point-to-point instead of making a clear point... a reply is made.. then he keeps saying that he's making a different point... a reply to THAT is made.. then he says it's ANOTHER point. There's a lot of dancing around lately in a few threads and the popular excuse seems to be to excuse it based on a lack of language fluency. It makes for an awkward debate that seems conveniently dismissive of the point if it looks like you're not making a good one. :)

FlameReaper 2012-04-23 01:05
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One thing about Android is that almost freaking everybody does it - which in turn, sees the market of both quality products and crapware as well.

That plus a lot of "LOL, no ICS for you!" for most of the Android devices available in the market.

Android, to some manufacturers, seem to be some sort of a get-rich-quick scheme cash cow.

danramos 2012-04-23 01:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameReaper (Post 1196116)
One thing about Android is that almost freaking everybody does it - which in turn, sees the market of both quality products and crapware as well.

That plus a lot of "LOL, no ICS for you!" for most of the Android devices available in the market.

Android, to some manufacturers, seem to be some sort of a get-rich-quick scheme cash cow.
The question appears, once again: How is any of this better than Android's experience? If it's not better, and all other things are better on Android because of its larger install base then why bother with anything Nokia has done?

gerbick 2012-04-23 04:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1196126)
The question appears, once again: How is any of this better than Android's experience? If it's not better, and all other things are better on Android because of its larger install base then why bother with anything Nokia has done?
Let's take this a step further...

Google: LOL! Stuck at Cupcake or Gingerbread? No ICS for you!
Microsoft: LOL! Got a second generation WP7 device? We mispoke! No Apollo for you!
Blackberry: LOL! No Blackberry 10 for you! More strippers and booze for us!
Nokia: LOL! We lied! No support for you!
Apple: LOL! We came out with the iPhone 4S! No iPhone 5 for you!

And the ultimate...

Stephen Elop: LOL! You like Symbian and MeeGo? HA! I'm driving Nokia into the ground... I mean, enjoy WP7!

ibrakalifa 2012-04-23 04:52
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jiahahaha, niceeee

Zoxir 2012-04-23 13:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1196193)
Let's take this a step further...

And the ultimate...

Stephen Elop: LOL! You like Symbian and MeeGo? HA! I'm driving Nokia into the ground... I mean, enjoy WP7!
Hey common dude it's not WP 7 it's WP 7,5 Mango or tango or something like that.

ibrakalifa 2012-04-23 14:47
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Wp 7 or wp 7,5 both suck, :D

misterc 2012-04-23 17:12
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1196126)
The question appears, once again: How is any of this better than Android's experience? If it's not better, and all other things are better on Android because of its larger install base then why bother with anything Nokia has done?
while was looking for mSDXC (64GB) cards i came across a forum where the members where complaining that "movies" where disappearing from the mSD?C (the mSDXC owner was one of the 1st to post & was wondering whether it was due to the X...)
turned out that on some ANDroids (maybe version? proprietary firmware?) movies were systematically deleted
and not only 700MB movie files downloaded from I-net... also movies (of the little daughters 5th birthday or what not.... :mad:) made with the device :eek:

how good an experience is that? :rolleyes:

helex 2012-04-23 19:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1196346)
Hey common dude it's not WP 7 it's WP 7,5 Mango or tango or something like that.
Changing the label doesn't fix the bugs in the concept of WP7.

danramos 2012-04-24 08:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1196481)
while was looking for mSDXC (64GB) cards i came across a forum where the members where complaining that "movies" where disappearing from the mSD?C (the mSDXC owner was one of the 1st to post & was wondering whether it was due to the X...)
turned out that on some ANDroids (maybe version? proprietary firmware?) movies were systematically deleted
and not only 700MB movie files downloaded from I-net... also movies (of the little daughters 5th birthday or what not.... :mad:) made with the device :eek:

how good an experience is that? :rolleyes:
So far, in my experience, with all the various versions and brands I've played with I've never had video files deleted on me (avi, mkv, mp4, etc.). This is the first time I've heard of it. Where did you see that? I'd be interested in looking into that more deeply and asking around my Android peeps about it. How did they arrive at KNOWING it was a version/firmware systematic deletion? I tried Googling around for it but I'm not seeing anything like that. Please provide me with something to refer to. THANKS!

misterc 2012-04-24 19:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1196861)
So far, in my experience, with all the various versions and brands I've played with I've never had video files deleted on me (avi, mkv, mp4, etc.). This is the first time I've heard of it. Where did you see that? I'd be interested in looking into that more deeply and asking around my Android peeps about it. How did they arrive at KNOWING it was a version/firmware systematic deletion? I tried Googling around for it but I'm not seeing anything like that. Please provide me with something to refer to. THANKS!
gee, man, take it easy :p
don't remember exactly what search i entered.
i have the 64GB micro SDXC from sandisk which seems a good bet
if memory serves well, i was searching a review for that (complete model name SDSDQY-064G-U46A)
i don't care about ANDroid, barely about NITDroid, thus sorry if i didn't write down everything :mad:
the firmware / brand is a conjecture of mine;
the thread didn't come up with an explanation.
pure conjecture.
i think the last post came up with some workaround, adding a hidden file or something :confused:

like i said, sorry, don't care really 'bout ANDroid

danramos 2012-04-24 21:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1197129)
gee, man, take it easy :p
don't remember exactly what search i entered.
i have the 64GB micro SDXC from sandisk which seems a good bet
if memory serves well, i was searching a review for that (complete model name SDSDQY-064G-U46A)
i don't care about ANDroid, barely about NITDroid, thus sorry if i didn't write down everything :mad:
the firmware / brand is a conjecture of mine;
the thread didn't come up with an explanation.
pure conjecture.
i think the last post came up with some workaround, adding a hidden file or something :confused:

like i said, sorry, don't care really 'bout ANDroid
S'okay. :) Just seemed like a weird behavior I've not heard about and if it was accurate and happening, it needs to be stepped on immediately to make sure that doesn't become commonplace on ANY platform.

Anyway, if you come across it again, let me know. So far I've not had any luck.

Thanks!

Lumiaman 2012-04-25 02:16
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Android is plainly stupid. Why would anyone go to bed with google?

ibrakalifa 2012-04-25 04:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1197291)
Android is plainly stupid. Why would anyone go to bed with google?
nobody want to go bed with you


http://emmauscommunity.org/Portals/0...ages/laugh.jpg

misterc 2012-04-25 19:33
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nobody want to go [to] bed with you


http://emmauscommunity.org/Portals/0...ages/laugh.jpg
or with make$$h!t :@

ibrakalifa 2012-04-26 12:35
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just share

danramos 2012-04-27 04:17
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Good article, just wish you picked a few choice quotes or something as a summary or teaser to it. :)

ibrakalifa 2012-04-27 12:22
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lol yes, next time sir, ;)

misterc 2012-04-28 06:53
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interesting article about the technology branch in general...
Viewpoint: Over-the-top technologies drive success
until ½ a dozen years ago, the mobile phone was nice to have but it wasn't the killer feature, yet.
what actually made the mobile phone a commodity (to the detriment of NOKIA's traditional business) is... the mobile phones' ease of use and omnipresence (the current "over the top" thing...).
oddly 'nough, NOKIA was at the fore-front of that new wave with Maemo, but completely missed the chance to realize it :(
maybe 'cuz they were too confident that Symbian was (still) the standard of all things?
even though others have meanwhile occupied the market, it doesn't seem to be carved in stone yet
maybe a chance still for Maemo :cool:

(note: the reflections in the posts are mine; the article is about the technology branch in general)

danramos 2012-04-28 06:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1198496)
interesting article about the technology branch in general...
Viewpoint: Over-the-top technologies drive success
until ½ a dozen years ago, the mobile phone was nice to have but it wasn't the killer feature, yet.
what actually made the mobile phone a commodity (to the detriment of NOKIA's traditional business) is... the mobile phones' ease of use and omnipresence (the current "over the top" thing...).
oddly 'nough, NOKIA was at the fore-front of that new wave with Maemo, but completely missed the chance to realize it :(
maybe 'cuz they were too confident that Symbian was (still) the standard of all things?
even though others have meanwhile occupied the market, it doesn't seem to be carved in stone yet
maybe a chance still for Maemo :cool:

(note: the reflections in the posts are mine; the article is about the technology branch in general)
Aaaand sitting RIGHT NEXT to the article you cited:
Samsung overtakes Nokia in mobile phone shipments
"Samsung Electronics has overtaken Nokia to become the world's largest maker of mobile phones, according to research firm Strategy Analytics.
Nokia took the top spot in 1998 from Motorola, but in the first quarter of 2012 Samsung shipped 93m phones compared to almost 83m by Nokia.
Samsung also reported its highest quarterly profit since 2008.
Net profit was 5.05tn won ($4.5bn; £2.8bn) in the quarter ending 31 March, up 81% from 2.78tn won last year.
Samsung is also the world's biggest TV and flat screen maker."

Meanwhile, even while Nokia HAD been the biggest cell phone maker, they didn't diversify enough to even at LEAST claim to also be the biggest boots maker, much less display technologies like televisions. heh Samsung is just doing a LOT of things right.

danramos 2012-04-28 19:51
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1198498)
Aaaand sitting RIGHT NEXT to the article you cited:
Samsung overtakes Nokia in mobile phone shipments
"Samsung Electronics has overtaken Nokia to become the world's largest maker of mobile phones, according to research firm Strategy Analytics.
Nokia took the top spot in 1998 from Motorola, but in the first quarter of 2012 Samsung shipped 93m phones compared to almost 83m by Nokia.
Samsung also reported its highest quarterly profit since 2008.
Net profit was 5.05tn won ($4.5bn; £2.8bn) in the quarter ending 31 March, up 81% from 2.78tn won last year.
Samsung is also the world's biggest TV and flat screen maker."

Meanwhile, even while Nokia HAD been the biggest cell phone maker, they didn't diversify enough to even at LEAST claim to also be the biggest boots maker, much less display technologies like televisions. heh Samsung is just doing a LOT of things right.
Apparently, the Tech News Today podcast covered this as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWVxiyeIZc8&t=17m23s

Nokia, get rid of Elop already and get a SUCCESSFUL new CEO. Do it NOW. It's not too late yet.

misterc 2012-05-01 22:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1198799)
Apparently, the Tech News Today podcast covered this as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWVxiyeIZc8&t=17m23s

Nokia, get rid of Elop already and get a SUCCESSFUL new CEO. Do it NOW. It's not too late yet.
you may say what you want about m@ke$$h!t.
m0##0nic @$$O and all the rest
still, between the LG misadventure over the last three years, very similar to the fluke with NOKIA in the past year +, Bllamer seemed to have learned something
maybe he really put Flop as a drone @ NOKIA's helm to make sure... they'll stay on course
:(

not that he minded getting ride of the incompetent idiot @ m$ in the 1st place :D

memer 2012-05-03 21:29
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bad dancers always blame the shoes

misterc 2012-05-04 19:31
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Originally Posted by memer (Post 1201567)
bad dancers always blame the shoes
let's see if i get this right...
LG is only the fifth / 5th largest mobile phone manufacturer worldwide (1Q12) with 13.7 million units; a year earlier, they were 3rd largest (before Apple & ZTE) with 24.5 millions units.
in Feb 2009, LG signed the same kind of agreement with m@ke$$h!t then NOKIA two years later according to which there were supposed to have 50 m$ devices this year.
i guess, they simply were too lazy to manufacture all those trillions of devices that would have flown off the shelves... had they only been there?
only in terms of smart phones, NOKIA experience nearly the same shift (24.2 => 11.9)
too bad they didn't have any m$ devices a year early, huh?

what could we blame LG & NOKIA for?
having put their eggs in the same basket?
luckily for LG, they didn't have a m0##0n as CEO who sabotaged the brand for the sake of it :rolleyes:

danramos 2012-05-06 08:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1201997)
what could we blame LG & NOKIA for?
having put their eggs in the same basket?
luckily for LG, they didn't have a m0##0n as CEO who sabotaged the brand for the sake of it :rolleyes:
http://i.imgur.com/f2yqU.jpg


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