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Khertan 2012-09-28 10:09
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
What i hope now, is that we will see this app soon on Apps For Meego. Not just ovi store.

ajalkane 2012-09-28 10:12
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
I want to thank also everyone who voted ProfileMatic and ToggleWlanScan. It does give a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing there is so many who appreciate the work. Thank you!

Also big thanks to the people putting the competition together, and ALL the participants. I was amazed at the amount of great applications produced. And so many from "beginners". It's great.

Schturman 2012-09-28 10:15
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
THANK you ALL who voted for N9 QTweak !
You guys made my day :) Thanks to all developers that create so many cool apps for our devices.

MartinK 2012-09-28 11:26
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
I would like to say:
Thanks a lot to all those who voted for modRana & Mieru. Much appreciated !! :)

Also, thanks to all other participants, organizers, voters, testers and application users ! Without you, all this would not be possible. :)

And now back to development. :D

titilambert 2012-09-28 11:38
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Hello !

I m shy to ask this question, but i think i m not the only one in this case...
Is there any change for those like me which are 5th to win something ? ( If one of winners wins in other category or refuse their price or ... )

Thanks

kojacker 2012-09-28 11:45
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by titilambert (Post 1273370)
Hello !

I m shy to ask this question, but i think i m not the only one in this case...
Is there any change for those like me which are 5th to win something ? ( If one of winners wins in other category or refuse their price or ... )

Thanks
Oh you don't need to be shy, you're among friends!

Well done on coming in 5th in the preliminary count :) Yep, there's certainly a chance of winning something - we have 4 devices as prizes in the network & communications category then the community bounty shares come after that.. But we'll know more at the end of the weekend. So anyone with a similar question please hang tight - there won't be long to find out :)

Helmuth 2012-09-28 11:58
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by titilambert (Post 1273370)
m shy to ask this question, but i think i m not the only one in this case...
Is there any change for those like me which are 5th to win something ? ( If one of winners wins in other category or refuse their price or ... )
If there are 2 N950 and 2 N9 in your category there should be a good chance to get a amount of the community bounty as a small consolation. No device, but enought money to buy several raspberry pi's. ;)

I haven't found in the wiki how the bounty gets splitted. But I guess we said somewhere in this thread it will get divides by 7. 5th place in the main category, 4th place in the updates and 3rd place in the beginners section.

Kojacker, correct my if I'm wrong. :)

Edit: Boah, slow, slower, Helmuth! :o

frafI 2012-09-28 12:07
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1273319)
I wonder, how many people have voted for my application? Looking up... Thirty four voters (of ninety five voters in this category) included Virtransim into their list, and of them only eight voters put VirtRanSim onto a place after fourteenth (places 21, 17, 21, 22, 18, 19, 20, 21); three voters put Virtransim onto the first place (myself one of the three voters). Not bad, considering that I have done no "advertising" of it.
That's the effect of (most) STV systems, first places have a lot more weight than later places and you always get eliminated early, because you only have 3 first places.
OpenSTV unfortunately does not support SchulzeSTV, would be interesting to see the results using this. For elections with so few participants it should be feasible to use Schulze STV, but nobody knows the number of candidates in advance (determining a winning set for Schulze STV is not known to be in P).

I'm also interested in the mathematical background of using multiple instances of STV in sequence. If anyone could provide some links, I would be quite thankful. E.g. it's interesting to see, that virtransim gets eliminated after my program (flatboat) in most of the first runs, but when it comes to 10th place the surplus helps flatboat to overcome virtransim.

I'm somewhat surprised that Saera won (it looked promising for ages, but its current utility is not that uge) and virtransim and maecaltasks performed so differently. On the other hand seeing MeeCoLay and modrana win is no surprise at all.

Finally congrats to all the winners (in fact to all the contestants) and thanks to all who voted for flatboat (especially to the bullet voter). If you have some time please leave a comment on the support thread.

tommyj23 2012-09-28 12:24
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Congratulations to all the winners!!!
I would have liked to win, but ...other time!!!:(
Now, I can try a meego phone only in the simulator, :(

Thanks to all people who voted Adventlands, I hope you liked it!!!;)

Khertan 2012-09-28 12:41
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
So vote ended ... time to update KhtNotes to version 2.10 :)

draxcp6 2012-09-28 13:01
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Congratulations to all developers :)
Really great apps out there.

Also, I would like to thank to all people who voted for Crosswords, I hope that you enjoy it :)

rfeese 2012-09-28 14:58
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
I was pretty bummed out looking at the preliminary results but it was a little gratifying to look at the individual votes and see that some people did actually vote for my app.

I guess for those of us who didn't place very high, it might be more rewarding for each of us to set up an announce thread for our apps where we might attract more attention from the people who are interested in our apps. I have never been sure about the etiquette around here for doing that.

sakya 2012-09-28 15:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeese (Post 1273455)
look at the individual votes
Where can we see individual votes?

qwazix 2012-09-28 15:06
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
http://maemo.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=21
http://maemo.org/vote/votes.php?election_id=22
and so on

By the way I'm very happy rawcam took the top place in a very competitive category.

Thank you people, especially those who helped test and package.

Special thanks once again to ZogG, rzr and djszapi for the help in packaging, uploading to the community repository and apps4meego.

computerinfo21 2012-09-28 16:02
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfeese (Post 1273455)
I was pretty bummed out looking at the preliminary results but it was a little gratifying to look at the individual votes and see that some people did actually vote for my app.
I agree, was pretty disappointed but your suggestion helped me feel better. Lots of people put Task Poach up a lot higher than it placed, so I'm glad others appreciate it too. I know I'll use it, so it was not a waste of time either.

Congrats to the winners & all developers. You all did great, and the commnity is the real winner here with all these new apps to keep our phones alive longer.

benny1967 2012-09-28 16:30
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by titilambert (Post 1273257)
HAHAHAHA !
5 th !!! I think i will cry ...
HAHAHAHA !

The life is dirty :D :D :D

Anyway, Thanks all !!!!
So bad. You should have won the whole thing. At least someone should donate an N9 so you can port heysms to it. :)

ikkysleepy 2012-09-28 16:56
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Great Job everyone. Now that the competition is over, does anyone want to team up and make apps listed on the Missing Apps Page?

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing


I'm willing to work on a yelp like app and pulse like app, if any other developer wants to team up.


Thanks,
-- Jorge

titilambert 2012-09-28 18:22
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1273479)
So bad. You should have won the whole thing. At least someone should donate an N9 so you can port heysms to it. :)
Thanks !

This is my dream !!! ...

I can't buy a N9 for now... maybe next year, but I'm not really patient ... :D
I really want to port HeySms to Meego and I think I can also forward incoming calls with pyton-jingle (and XMPP) ... ... This is my second dream ... :cool:

jackburton 2012-09-28 19:33
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Thanks to anybody who voted for my app, maecaltasks.

I'm looking forward to adding features now and porting to N9!

cckwes 2012-09-28 23:08
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by titilambert (Post 1273257)
HAHAHAHA !
5 th !!! I think i will cry ...
HAHAHAHA !

The life is dirty :D :D :D

Anyway, Thanks all !!!!
Hey buddy, I'm not eligible to receive an N9/N950 anymore, so you will get a device!! HAHA! Congratz :D. Really hope to see HeySMS appear on my harmattan!

kojacker 2012-09-29 01:16
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
I know you're all excited but please try to hold back on assigning prizes to yourselves or others until after the votes are final - they're still preliminary and I don't want to raise expectations only to have to disappoint anyone later. It's only a day or two to wait, it'll fly by :)

fl4f 2012-09-29 05:45
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
I'm actually quite happy just to have made it into the competition. It made me do some work on my idea, and have something to publish.

marmistrz 2012-09-29 07:41
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Thanks for voting for my apps!!!

cckwes 2012-09-29 08:36
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kojacker (Post 1273682)
I know you're all excited but please try to hold back on assigning prizes to yourselves or others until after the votes are final - they're still preliminary and I don't want to raise expectations only to have to disappoint anyone later. It's only a day or two to wait, it'll fly by :)
Opps, sorry mate, too excited and get carried away. :o

dirksonguer 2012-09-29 10:29
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Thanks to kojacker and all others for organizing this competition. It was huge fun participating and lead to a cool sideproject for me.

Thank you all that voted for Instago! And what better way to thank to all than to finally release the public beta... tomorrow :) Follow the TMO thread here for details.

And my thanks to all other participants. Thanks to you all there are a lot of new apps, tools, games and toys to play around with on those great platforms!

tommyj23 2012-09-29 10:42
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
I've noticed that games that have had the most votes are those created for fremantle (I dont know in other categories), I suppose N900, perhaps I could have made my game to N900, for more people, because I suppose here there are more people who votes with a N900 than N9 or N950.
These are just my opinion!!
:rolleyes:

frafI 2012-09-29 20:20
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommyj23 (Post 1273835)
I've noticed that games that have had the most votes are those created for fremantle (I dont know in other categories), I suppose N900, perhaps I could have made my game to N900, for more people, because I suppose here there are more people who votes with a N900 than N9 or N950.
These are just my opinion!!
:rolleyes:
Not unlikely, since everyone (once) interested in development for fremantle should have a maemo.org account (needed for the autobuilder). So a N9 owner had to create one at the beginning (!) of the Coding Competition solely to take part in the voting process 3 months later, while a N900 owner with a (long forgotten) maemo.org acoount was notified via e-mail at the beginning of the voting phase.

Edit: Before I saw the voting results, I thought an application only for N900 would have little chance to win, but that was based on the numbers of TMO threads during the last year.

kojacker 2012-09-29 20:32
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommyj23 (Post 1273835)
I've noticed that games that have had the most votes are those created for fremantle (I dont know in other categories), I suppose N900, perhaps I could have made my game to N900, for more people, because I suppose here there are more people who votes with a N900 than N9 or N950.
These are just my opinion!!
:rolleyes:
Well, the vast majority of members here are Maemo users, and the N900 was the most commercially successful of the Maemo devices, so it perhaps isn't surprising. These type of apps would be targeted at the majority of the audience. However, there's still plenty of Harmattan devices amongst the winners - there's a good mix I think.

Quote:
Originally Posted by frafI (Post 1274030)
Not unlikely, since everyone (once) interested in development for fremantle should have a maemo.org account (needed for the autobuilder). So a N9 owner had to create one at the beginning (!) of the Coding Competition solely to take part in the voting process 3 months later, while a N900 owner with a (long forgotten) maemo.org acoount was notified via e-mail at the beginning of the voting phase.
I just want to address the (!) in your post and hope to make it clear that the 3 month rule was a restriction of the maemo,org election voting process and it's not intended to keep any users of a particular device out. N9, N950, N900, N800, N....X users were all very welcome and indeed encouraged to take part, including offshoot operating systems such as Nemo and the likes. The restriction was that you needed a maemo.org account registered at the time of the competition starting.

We've now almost completed the 3rd yearly competition, and this restriction was brought in after the first competition. It's certainly not something new we brought in to skew the voting one way or another. As mentioned a few pages back, during the initial competition we discovered that users and friends of users were creating fake and dummy accounts with the only purpose to place votes in the competition. That's why the restriction was put in place that only accounts created before the competition got started were eligible to vote. I can understand and I do think it is unfair to new genuine users who want to take part but unfortunately the flexibility in the system isn't really there to do everything we would like.

I think there's some confusion caused by the seperation of the maemo.org and talk.maemo.org accounts. Most people reading this post have a talk.maemo.org account. talk.maemo.org is the forums section you're reading now. However, maemo.org is the main site, it's through maemo.org that the Coding Competition devices are assigned and distributed. In terms of voting, it's through the maemo.org account that entitles you to a vote or not. I think a lot of new users do not see the separation between both accounts, and I honestly can understand the confusion - both sites have been designed in such a way to provide a continuous experience and do appear to be part of one whole. As maemo.org morphs into whatever it becomes next, I believe this situation will be gone and everything will be under a single account.

Also, if you have not done so already, I do encourage everyone to create a maemo.org account and enjoy it while we still have it. It is not simply a site used for developers of Fremantle apps.

Also (.. I realise what started as a quick response is now turning a ramble..) you have to remember that Fremantle was 5th Maemo OS.. Maemo existed a long time before Fremantle was the step 5 twinkle in a developer's eye, and it would be unfair that these folks who have built maemo.org up into the comunity is is today didnt get a chance to participate in the competition. If you click around maemo.org you'll see that it is vast, and then there are other separate areas such as the irc with development and discussions you don't see on here. I suspect the majority of people with a "long forgotten" maemo.org account wouldn't take the time to come back and vote on apps that didn't interest them, but perhaps if they did they'd see great apps like your Flatboat and decide to stick around and get involved again :)

Edit: You'll have to excuse my slightly surly tone in the above as I now have to sit with my father and watch the 'highlights' of his football team beating my football team on TV which isn't helping my mood one bit... :o

sixwheeledbeast 2012-09-29 22:41
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Out of interest, do we know the total number of voters?

Estel 2012-09-29 22:49
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quick question - how many people (total) voted for CC? my totally wild guess would be ~400+ - I wonder how it apply to reality.

// edit

Ops, sixwheeledbest beat me to it :)

Wonko 2012-09-30 08:43
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1274075)
Quick question - how many people (total) voted for CC? my totally wild guess would be ~400+ - I wonder how it apply to reality.
You can download the ballots for each category: http://maemo.org/vote/
E.g.: For beginners category: http://maemo.org/vote/blt.php?election_id=27

If you look at the file you see that it is essentially a list of votes with the first line being no vote and the last lines being no votes.
So, the easiest "ad-hoc" method to count the overall number of votes would be to download the ballots, remove all "non-vote" lines at the top and bottom and count the remaining lines.

Edit:
To make the counting even easier you can use the following snippet:
Code:
grep -e "^1.*" /tmp/election.blt | wc -l
Edit2:
Here you have the full numbers:
Code:
[rc@colin coding_competition_2012]$ for i in *blt; do tail -n 1 $i ;
grep -e "^1.*" $i | wc -l ; echo "-----" ; done
"Coding Competition 2012 - Desktop, System, and Utilities"
95
-----
"Coding Competition 2012 - Games, Graphics, and Multimedia"
82
-----
"Coding Competition 2012 - Location and Navigation"
66
-----
"Coding Competition 2012 - Network and Communications"
80
-----
"Coding Competition 2012 - Other"
88
-----
"Coding Competition 2012 - Updates and development on existing apps"
92
-----
"Coding Competition 2012 - Beginners"
80
-----
The voter turnout is pretty low actually...

Estel 2012-09-30 09:26
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Whoa, I expected, that CC will "beat" council voting by a factor of at least two. Well, for sure CD beat it via quality of outcome, so it's OK, nevertheless :)

But, if, after all, I'm not wrong that CC gained more votes than BoD will, it's not happy prognosis...

Well, no need to put aside festival of happiness after CC results (rightly one, as it's great success!) by me worrying about future, so lets put it aside.

/Estel

qwazix 2012-09-30 09:41
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
votes are less than number of submissions :(

sad... I knew it was hard work to vote, but I supposed it was substantially easier than coding a full application from scratch.

thedead1440 2012-09-30 10:08
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
i think the vote count has more to do with newer members unable to vote than anything else...

a number of developers couldn't vote too due to this...

lastly, compared to the previous year there must be substantially fewer Fremantle members hence lowering the voters...yes harmattan has a substantial number of members but trust me i pm'ed around 23 members to vote and all had no maemo.org profile ans were unaware about this...

Nothing wrong with the voting mechanism per se but just unfortunate timing...

rotoflex 2012-09-30 10:13
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Also there were a LOT of submissions - I didn't vote on any of the Harmattan submissions because I have only Fremantle device, so voting got diluted in that way.

rash.m2k 2012-09-30 10:14
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1274225)
The voter turnout is pretty low actually...
Thats because the average user of this forum doesn't realise you need a maemo.org account as well!

I don't understand why they are separate?

sixwheeledbeast 2012-09-30 10:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 1274263)
I don't understand why they are separate?
Because even thought they look like there all part of the same site, it's different sites on different servers.

Remember when TMO was/is iTt?

thedead1440 2012-09-30 10:53
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast (Post 1274271)
Because even thought they look like there all part of the same site, it's different sites on different servers.

Remember when TMO was/is iTt?
From what I understand is that maemo.org is owned by Nokia along with all the databases but TMO singly is owned by Reggie along with the databases hence no mix...

Estel 2012-09-30 11:52
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...which is reason for major headache on many fronts, starting at voting, and ending on migrating forum to new place.

Don't worry though - soon both karma system (as part of maemo.org infra) and TMO (as usable forum on current server) will stop exist, so problem will solve itself. I just hope, that there will be something to substitute it, or it may be not the "final solving" we would like to see :rolleyes:

/Estel

Wikiwide 2012-09-30 13:10
Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 1274263)
Thats because the average user of this forum doesn't realise you need a maemo.org account as well!
Then I am not an average user, because it's difficult for me to read a wiki without having an urge to edit the article here or there, even if I am not an expert in the subject. Having an account on "wiki.maemo.org" is synonymous with having an account on "maemo.org" itself, correct?
But then, my obsession with wiki could be guessed from my name.
I just hope to take part in the next Coding Competition here, one year later... Best wishes.


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