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uTMY 2012-11-10 09:25
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
hmmm

"This is nothing special. Happens market leaders all the time. Over and over again. "

My perspective

Apple averaging around 547, FIVE HUNDRED and forty seven

Nokia averaging around 2, TWO

Apple largest company in the world bar none.

Nokia fastest decline of stock price ever in the history of the stock market worldwide.

Just saying .. what do I know, this is a Maemo forum and when all the Apple/Win8 fanbois leave there will still be a Maemo forum and I will still support Maemo.

rgds

ps. Have I mentioned how much I like Maemo on the N900, probably the best phone in the world.

pps. Does mentioning two different stocks count as mentioning stock twice?

Dave999 2012-11-10 09:37
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Not saying apples mega stock lose has begun yet, they are still selling massive amounts of products still lost 20% in no time. Apple have been there, at the edge before, far worse than nokia is now. And they will soon be there again.

volt 2012-11-10 23:27
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IMO Apple has been a bubble for some time. Their stock has been worth like way too many of them dollars per device they sell, That can't last.

If anything, Nokia has been underrated. But they're getting rid of assets and can't get rid of employees fast or cheap enough, so they're bleeding. They're (relatively) not worth a lot on the sxc now, and if they do not get rid of their employees before they run out of assets to sell, they won't be worth anything much when liquidated either.

specc 2012-11-12 18:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by volt (Post 1292843)
IMO Apple has been a bubble for some time. Their stock has been worth like way too many of them dollars per device they sell, That can't last.

If anything, Nokia has been underrated. But they're getting rid of assets and can't get rid of employees fast or cheap enough, so they're bleeding. They're (relatively) not worth a lot on the sxc now, and if they do not get rid of their employees before they run out of assets to sell, they won't be worth anything much when liquidated either.
The problem with Apple is they make devices that people love or hate. All you need is love, that's the truth, except when you hate it. MS makes stuff people love to hate. Google make stuff people simply just use. Nokia makes the cool stuff.

volt 2012-11-13 12:10
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Microsoft drops a dollar after the Windows unit president unexpectedly quits a short time after the Windows 8 release.

Nokia is down too, but not too much:

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...9b5ae18a78.png

volt 2012-11-14 07:18
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NOK1V - 1 month, Euro:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...dcbc131bb6.png

MS - 1 month, USD:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...a22bd07d5c.png

Google - 1 month, USD:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...805e693a76.png

uTMY 2012-11-14 10:05
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And Apple for completeness?

rgds

volt 2012-11-14 18:53
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Who? Never heard of'em.
Apple, you called them:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...3116ddcc55.png



I tried Samsung Electronics for completeness, but they're not on the exchange.

shinogami 2012-11-14 20:12
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Goes up all day in Helsinki, crashes down at NYSE

http://i.imgur.com/VCm35.png

F*** you Tiger Management and Tiger Cubs.

uTMY 2012-11-15 11:03
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Hi Volt, ta, nice to get a comparison.

See Android now has 72% market share according to one report.

Interesting thoughts on Windows 8

rgds

Dave999 2012-11-15 11:13
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whats your overall opinion related to the pictures u just posted?

volt 2012-11-16 06:51
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Well, we're seeing a clear global trend in mid-october, that seemed to hit Google hard. Microsoft doesn't get hit as hard, but then that's when they should have had their Windows 8 buzz. Apple has lost a bit of confidence and there's a real correction going on with their inflated stock value.

Then Microsoft suddenly lost the leader responsible for Windows 7 and 8, and while this seems to affect Microsoft badly, Nokia, as the only one of these, get an up period.

Jokingly, I'd say that anything that weakens Microsoft, strengthens Nokia. But then that wouldn't really be a joke.

I'm just making up things as we go here, I don't know one end of a stock market from the next.

uTMY 2012-11-16 12:46
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http://gadgets.ndtv.com/videos/diana...-page-1-254685

quality!

rgds

thedead1440 2012-11-16 15:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1294923)
What's quality in that? The girl or the product :p

volt 2012-11-16 16:43
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Grave news... My Blade started acting up yesterday and I ended up buying a LG Optimus 4X HD P880. Decent reviews, bad sales = much cheaper than the SIII. :g

And here's something on topic.
It's the end of the business week in Europe, and Nokia has had a better week than some.

Nokia:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...145ce6356e.png

Key partner Microsoft:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...3a344e7916.png

Pants owner Google:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...7c69aab37f.png

And I forget what fruit case this is:
http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...2f3c24e9e3.png

All numbers in $, except Nokia in €.

specc 2012-11-17 02:38
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Apple has lost 35% of its value in 2 months. Must be Elop :cool:

Lumiaman 2012-11-17 14:57
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LUmia 920 seems to be selling well, I cant find it in the USA, except in white. But the way that Nokia is unprepared for mass production of this phone is pathetic. there is an undeniable global demand. I am also worried about QC. There are already complaints about batter life (anything new with NOKIA battery life?), rebooting and bricking (reminds me of N9). I hope its a software glitch that will be fixed in updates. Overall, the outlook is positive. I bought more stock

thedead1440 2012-11-17 15:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1295285)
LUmia 920 seems to be selling well, I cant find it in the USA, except in white. But the way that Nokia is unprepared for mass production of this phone is pathetic. there is an undeniable global demand. I am also worried about QC. There are already complaints about batter life (anything new with NOKIA battery life?), rebooting and bricking (reminds me of N9). I hope its a software glitch that will be fixed in updates. Overall, the outlook is positive. I bought more stock
The battery life has been pin-pointed due to Nokia Maps/Drive running in the background even when not routing (unlike the N9 it doesn't have a GPS power saving mode) as well as Angry Birds Star Wars being put in the background...Some people also blame Nokia Reading...

If you solve the above then it shouldn't be a concern...

QC is another issue altogether; I haven't had a play with one yet so can't say much but from Mynokiablog.com it seems that QC has lagged behind this time round...

Bricking unlike the n9 is much more difficult to solve...

Rebooting is due to Win8 NT kernel being a pita...


See Lumiaman, the above is called objective analysis even if you are not a fan of a particular product unlike you who comes and puts his blinkers on...

Lumiaman 2012-11-17 17:48
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1295289)
The battery life has been pin-pointed due to Nokia Maps/Drive running in the background even when not routing (unlike the N9 it doesn't have a GPS power saving mode) as well as Angry Birds Star Wars being put in the background...Some people also blame Nokia Reading...

If you solve the above then it shouldn't be a concern...

QC is another issue altogether; I haven't had a play with one yet so can't say much but from Mynokiablog.com it seems that QC has lagged behind this time round...

Bricking unlike the n9 is much more difficult to solve...

Rebooting is due to Win8 NT kernel being a pita...




See Lumiaman, the above is called objective analysis even if you are not a fan of a particular product unlike you who comes and puts his blinkers on...
? I list the problems above, and you are calling it not objective. Dude, How is N9 selling? The masses have spoken. Even its parents hated it. I am not sure if someone pays you to be blind, man

switch-hitter 2012-11-17 20:46
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1295285)
LUmia 920 seems to be selling well, I cant find it in the USA, except in white. But the way that Nokia is unprepared for mass production of this phone is pathetic. there is an undeniable global demand.
Undeniable global demand? Really? Let me guess, it's outselling the iPhone in China.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1295285)
I am also worried about QC. There are already complaints about batter life (anything new with NOKIA battery life?)
A full charge of my NOKIA/Symbian smartphone lasts 5 days. I'm willing to wager all the Lumias have a more powerful battery. Perhaps NOKIA should forward this document to Microsoft posthaste.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1295285)
rebooting and bricking (reminds me of N9).
Actually it reminds me of every Microsoft OS I've ever used. When the updates start coming through you'll probably be able to add dawdling to that list.

Lumiaman 2012-11-17 21:43
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Lol...Symbian ....oh my ....some dinosaurs never die

uTMY 2012-11-17 21:50
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Lumiamanosaurus

rgds

Lumiaman 2012-11-18 00:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1295400)
Lumiamanosaurus

rgds
Ninosaurus

specc 2012-11-18 08:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1295398)
Lol...Symbian ....oh my ....some dinosaurs never die
Symbian may be a bit clunky, but the functionality is unsurpassed. WP8 is a whole new OS. Some bugs are unavoidable. Besides, experiencing how the OS matures is half the fun.

The Lumia 920 will be OK, particularly now when Apple starts its downhill race to the bottom of the ocean. Question is, with Android everywhere, will anyone care for anything but android in the long run.

danramos 2012-11-18 13:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1295398)
Lol...Symbian ....oh my ....some dinosaurs never die
You do realize that you've just complimented Symbian as an OS that never dies, after your own admission that Windows Phone 8 keeps rebooting and bricking devices?

What are you trying to say?

Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1295466)
Symbian may be a bit clunky, but the functionality is unsurpassed. WP8 is a whole new OS. Some bugs are unavoidable. Besides, experiencing how the OS matures is half the fun.
Windows Phone 7 was supposedly a whole new OS. How did that mature? Did it swoon customers in droves too?

volt 2012-11-18 19:06
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Can't say the Lumia 920 is selling too well here. The HTC W8 phone is outselling the Lumia 920 by a factor of 0.00 Lumia 920's per 100.00 HTC's.

That's mainly because Nokia hasn't started selling it yet.

RFS-81 2012-11-18 22:16
Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1295398)
Lol...Symbian ....oh my ....some dinosaurs never die
Yep, nothing like the other unnamed mobile OS, which has been in life support through it's entire existence :-P

That said, I like WP much much more than the desktop OS's from the same origin.

specc 2012-11-19 11:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1295540)
You do realize that you've just complimented Symbian as an OS that never dies, after your own admission that Windows Phone 8 keeps rebooting and bricking devices?

What are you trying to say?



Windows Phone 7 was supposedly a whole new OS. How did that mature? Did it swoon customers in droves too?
it's funny how obsessed you are with WP7 :) besides WP7.8 is coming any moment now, and after that the natural upgrading will be a new phone with WP8.

shinogami 2012-11-19 14:40
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Very good day so far, +8% at Helsinki, +4.5% at NYSE. Apparently earlier today there were some good news from Germany, i.e. Lumia 920s sold out. Lumia 920 seems to be selling really well, i.e. they can't make them fast enough to meet demand, and it's still coming to many more markets. I think in the coming days, we might witness a short squeeze, perhaps if it breaks 3 USD.. One can dream.

kojacker 2012-11-19 15:27
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More good Lumia news is that Amazon have listed it as the top seller on the AT&T network (though it's 17th best selling smartphone over all networks).

http://thepointdaily.com/amazon-nasd...s-list/121542/

shinogami 2012-11-19 16:10
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Ho ho ho. +9% at Helsinki and +6% at NYSE. Could we break 3 USD today?

Lumiaman 2012-11-19 17:26
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Why are there shortages? are they truly not churning them out en masse?

Lumiaman 2012-11-19 17:28
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I think I should buy more stock and continue long strategy

danramos 2012-11-20 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1295859)
it's funny how obsessed you are with WP7 :) besides WP7.8 is coming any moment now, and after that the natural upgrading will be a new phone with WP8.
It's funny how obsessed you are with Windows Phone in general. Who is getting excited about Windows Phone 7.8? It's funny to hear 'upgrade' and 'Windows Phone 8' in the same sentence--I thought you couldn't upgrade Windows Phone 7 handsets to Windows Phone 8.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1295959)
I think I should buy more stock and continue long strategy
Long strategy. (read:it's losing value! Quick! Tell other people to buy so I can sell!)

specc 2012-11-20 14:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1296264)
It's funny how obsessed you are with Windows Phone in general. Who is getting excited about Windows Phone 7.8? It's funny to hear 'upgrade' and 'Windows Phone 8' in the same sentence--I thought you couldn't upgrade Windows Phone 7 handsets to Windows Phone 8.



Long strategy. (read:it's losing value! Quick! Tell other people to buy so I can sell!)
Ha, not only 7.8 but 7.9 is coming as well :D
http://m.gsmarena.com/wp_78_update_m...-news-5098.php

The point is that iOS is way too 2009. Android is stale and boring. Symbian is dead. The only place where something is happening is WP. Won't even mention maemo, tizen et al. Jolla? So far just a bunch of vapor.

You remind me of those diehard Palm dudes or Symbian dudes. Their feet planted in past glory. Unable to see that they are as dead as their OS. I mean, Android certainly is the most popular OS, but also very boring. A phone is a phone. There really isn't that much exciting about them, but as of today WP phones are exciting because things are happening at that camp.

shinogami 2012-11-20 15:01
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About to break 3 USD (at 2.99 right now). I assume many institutions that are shorting are going to cut their losses and buy back at 3-3.10 USD. Will we see epic short squeeze today?

edit. 3.01 USD

specc 2012-11-20 15:45
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3.02 now. Sky is the limit :D

kojacker 2012-11-20 15:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1296312)
3.02 now. Sky is the limit :D
If by sky you mean slightly above $3.00 then you're correct. The huge amount of volume traded at $3.00 suggests a lot of stop/limit orders at that price. Once those clear (if) then the stock may start rising a little more. You can expect it to flirt around 2.99-3.01 in the meantime.

The next earnings release is coming on Jan 24th. It might hit $3.25-ish by then if reports of the Lumia WP8 range launch continue to be good-ish (well, atleast not as bad as they were...).

Dave999 2012-11-20 16:12
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It's always nice when stocks goes over a even number. It's also intressting if Nokia could keep having high expectations for L920 and at the same time, decrease the Loss for the quarter. Another thing would be if Nokia or htc or samsung could push out new models in the lower segments as well to have more existance on the market. Dosent look very good but at least just a little less bad at moment.

Lumiaman 2012-11-20 18:00
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Looks like it may cross three and stay there. I just wish they would churn out more of these Lumias...I ordered my cyan last Wednesday and it is still on back order...


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