Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1360437)

I'm the owner of a Asus Transformer TF101 tablet + Asus Eee Dock, rooted, with Ubuntu chroot, etc. And also a Nexus 4, but mainly for Ubuntu Touch. Yeah, I know F-Droid catalog since a long ago, this is an alternative way of installing softwares, while on Maemo 4/Maemo 5 third-party softwares (libraries, softwares with GUI, etc) are first class softwares available in Maemo.org repositories.



My N900 has more than 100 softwares installed, many programming tools, Easy Debian, etc. And I've never had any problem of library conflict breaking other apps.

I really have some libraries 5x repeated in my Android tablet. Some simple softwares take 10MB where 9.9MB are dependencies embedded...



Well, take Linux libraries and CLI tools, without GUI, without glibc it's a nightmare to port them to Android. Some aren't yet even after years of effort from the Android community.



Sorry, but after 1 year and half of Asus TF101 (Android 4.0) experience and even some tests of Android 4.2.2 on Nexus 4, I am the witness of many situations of softwares been closed, losing real state, etc. All my friends who are developers and have Android devices cite the same thing, it happens with all Android versions, all hardwares. A mobile OS (Android 4.2.2) on a quad core CPU and 2GB of RAM (of Nexus 4) showing it can't deal with real multitasking (even using Android default softwares) is a joke, a dumbed down OS.



RAM and CPU aren't features of the OS. And even with background tasks, Android softwares have multitasking limitations (even native ones).

Sorry, I am a ex-Psion (EPOC 16/32) user&developer, where a 32-bit real multitasking mobile OS (with micro-kernel) on a 16MB of RAM was a lot better than current mobile OS in stability, multitasking, advanced features, etc. My Psion Revo+ lasted 2 years without rebooting, even while I was programming on device in OPL anywhere, anytime.

So, from my ex-Psion point of view, Android, iOS and Windows Phone are just dumbed down mobile OS.

Originally Posted by Sohil876 (Post 1360352)

Unreasonable? Dude you sound like "we have to support jolla at any cost"... commercial firm + their decisions + their additional work = their problem, if not sailfish why not tizen... what happened to go with what fills your need. By buying their product you are already risking your money and supporting them enough seeing its a new ecosystem and a new firm. Im not saying we should not support them, i just dont see a reason why if theyre unwilling to make needed efforts. Cmon see samsung and tizen, im not asking jolla to throw cash though, just saying how much theyre lacking to make developers intrested in their ecosystem in a much crowded fierce competition.

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1360325)

With PySide code the situation will look differently, but it was never advertised for Sailfish development in the first place. It's a dead Nokia project. It's opensource and you can try port it to Qt5 if it's worth, or wait and see what PyOtherSide will be capable of. Probably PyOtherSide will be the cleaner and faster approach to bring QML and Python together.

Originally Posted by marbleuser (Post 1360414)

Let me play devil's advocate here and add 'why not android'

if you port your app to android instead of jolla, then:
1. you've probably learned valuable(literally) dev skills
2. there's a good chance it will run on jolla
3. you don't need to worry about jolla changing their mind again.
4. you don't have to get involved in porting toolkits or xwayland (which was a serious suggestion by one member!!)
5. your potential audience is 10's of millions

win win.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1360478)

ROTFL, You compare a huge company with an upstart....

Are you comparing apples with Oranges also?

Now how many engineers does Samsung have vs Jolla?

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1360481)

Well then better buy an android device in that case. Or else people will complain like CRAZY when theyr realize Android apps will not work good on sailfishos

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360485)

Android apps will not work well on Jolla. That is a cold fact. Why go with inferior experience ?

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1360479)

I'm yet to see any official confirmation that thp has been employed by Jolla to work on PyOtherSide. We can only speculate that it will be ready any time soon.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1360481)

Well then better buy an android device in that case. Or else people will complain like CRAZY when theyr realize Android apps will not work good on sailfishos Would be more intresting to know how many developers who actually thinks its bad decision going wayland and Qt5. It seems most people here who complain are not even developers. So why on earth is this discussion still going on?????

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360491)

Why would android let them? Will not happen

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360491)

Why would android let them? Will not happen

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1360495)

That's not a technical reason. What makes you think that permission is required from Google (or Android as you put it)? Android apps already run out-of-the-box on non-Android devices such as the Blackberry PlayBook without permission from Google.

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1360489)

Please stop spreading FUD and provide a technical reason why you believe that it will not be possible to replicate an Android environment inside Sailfish.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360498)

Which android apps work without mods on other OSs?

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360498)

Google may even restrict access to gmail.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360500)

You guys are delusional. Starting with the fact that Jolla is so original ...it's stealing Android apps. Brilliant for a revolutionary OS

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1360501)

well, I tried them on BB and most of them suck in every posible way. In fact, that experience convinced me that I don't care about android compatibility and I would be really happy if that crap can be turnd of, uninstalled and that app store (or whatever the name will be) won't accept crappy android ports.
If I'll ever need any android app I'll use my note. Or in case that I don't have android device I would by one. There's a plenty to choose for about 200€, and they are quite decent spec vise and surely will do the job better than BB does and I will save some hair.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1360509)

Just started to watch at one of the aKadEmy videos just released:

David Greaves talks about MeR and Qt

http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/vi...er_and_Qt.webm

All videos take a look if you are intrested in Qt/KDE and MeR community :)

http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1360489)

Please stop spreading FUD and provide a technical reason why you believe that it will not be possible to replicate an Android environment inside Sailfish.

Originally Posted by wicket (Post 1360513)

That doesn't mean it's not possible to implement.


You only need an IMAP client to access GMail so your point is irrelevant.


I'm not sure how running non-native apps equates to stealing.

I'm now going to stop replying to your posts as you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. May I ask that you stop littering this thread with BS or perhaps a mod can take care of it if it continues?


I can't speak for Android compatibility on BBOS as I've not tried it. What I will say is that any problems will be down to that particular implementation. I am still waiting to hear a technical reason why it would not be possible to replicate an Android environment under Sailfish that could provide 100% or very high compatibility. My main concern would be memory consumption but if it can be unloaded then I don't have a problem with it.

Originally Posted by fw190 (Post 1360525)

How to play those on N900? (googling did not help me much or I did not search goog enough :) )

Edit:

I have tried mplayer but no luck, then remembered that there was something like extra decoders support but didnt see it in HAM - apt get decoders-support did the trick but the video doesn't run smooth even on slightly OC N900 with dsp profile loaded

Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1360402)

I disagree. The current situation for mobile developers from Maemo/MeeGo/Nemo Mobile to Sailfish pathway is IMHO :
...
2) softwares in Python/PySide/Qt 4.7-4.8 (Qt Quick 1) : only about 10-20% of MeeGo Harmattan and Nemo Mobile softwares, just some small % of Maemo 5 softwares. But Python is important, allowing party-time developers to code on device (N900, N9, etc), anytime, anywhere, and contribute to the software diversity. The same migration from Harmattan (etc) Qt Quick components to Sailfish Silica is needed, with small-medium source code revision & rewrite. There are more options for Qt5/Wayland migration, none ready at the moment :
...
2.c) use a future PyQt 5 version, because the current one excludes Qt Quick 2. There is also the issue of GPL license and release PyQt 5 for Mer/Nemo/Sailfish;

Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1360774)

So, in theory, PyQt 5.1 will give Python access to develop softwares (with GUI) for Sailfish, Ubuntu Touch, Android, iOS, etc. Obviously somebody needs to compile PyQt for them.

Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1362563)

Seems imminent :)

Digging through all those packages shows alot of exciting stuff.

Originally Posted by marmistrz (Post 1362535)

Why is sailfishsilica non-oss?

Originally Posted by marmistrz (Post 1362535)

Why is sailfishsilica non-oss? http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/0.../non-oss/i486/

Wasn't Sailfish supposed to be fully open source?

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1362577)

The most exciting stuff includes (after few minutes of digging through):

• Calligra
• FM Radio (at least receiver)
• All the grilo plugins, most of all Jamendo, Youtube, Flickr...
• Btrfs?
• All the new 'noarch' stuff ;)

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1362577)

Exciting indeed.
The most exciting stuff includes (after few minutes of digging through):

• Calligra
• FM Radio (at least receiver)
• All the grilo plugins, most of all Jamendo, Youtube, Flickr...
• Btrfs?
• All the new 'noarch' stuff ;)

XWayland missing, so no surprise there.

EDIT:

IIRC, they said the QML parts of SilicaComponents will be open - under BSD license (at least initially). This repo contains the QML parts together with the binary libraries, so that's probably the reason why couldn't be included in 'oss'.

Originally Posted by marmistrz (Post 1362586)

Can you please point me where they said what'll be open and what not?

Originally Posted by marmistrz (Post 1362586)

Can you please point me where they said what'll be open and what not?

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1362620)

How hard can it be to read the sourcecode of silica? In the header they say its BSD license the rest we don't know yet.

But as stated already by many is that the core apps will probadly not be open. Also I do not expect all drivers be open especially not GFX (no one has open GFX drivers on embedded this days)

Originally Posted by marmistrz (Post 1362629)

Sry, but I'm not already keen with the rpm stuff ;) Is there any counterpart of /usr/share/doc where the license file are given?

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1362620)

How hard can it be to read the sourcecode of silica? In the header they say its BSD license the rest we don't know yet.

But as stated already by many is that the core apps will probadly not be open. Also I do not expect all drivers be open especially not GFX (no one has open GFX drivers on embedded this days)

Originally Posted by marmistrz (Post 1362600)

about 2013-07-02T17:17:11.

So it's not really known for sure what about the openness of Sailfish... Do you think they'll eventually release the source code?