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Dave999

2013-03-06 17:04

Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!

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Originally Posted by xprism (Post 1327282)

Jolla+N9 = Perfect Combination. :cool:

They are both slow? ;)

Agreed, would be kickass nice to try out sailfish today. Well, let's hope for some "complete" version. Both ubuntu and firefox was uber alpha. Let's hope for a beta sailfish before summer. Would be cool if end users could license sailfish to run on n9 :)

Industreality

2013-03-06 17:10

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Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1326368)

World Mobile Congress

http://tweakers.net/video/7333/sailfish-os.html

Video Hands On by Tweakers.net nerd and comments as follows:

-interface finished
-browser + notifications not finished

Handling of UI looks very promising + all Android applications available from start.
Dutch KPN already negotiates with Jolla for possible undelayed release in the Netherlands.

Also, in an interview with Mikko Pyykko by the same Tweakers.net Mikko sais 'known names' will also build Sailfish phones. Of course not yet stating which names. It would be interesting to know if Mikko was globally minded while saying this. (I know, this is hopeless speculating over highly multi-interpretable words) I mean, I would not consider Huawei, ZTE, Meizu, Oppo as 'known names' in Europe at this moment. Lenovo and Asus are but not for building phones although Asus is incomming.

Conclusion;
Mikko's words *might* be interesting because he's sais it as Sales Director at Jolla Ltd representing UK. Saying it on Spanish ground. Talking to Dutch media.

Source: Very small news item in Dutch quoting just a few words from Mikko

mikecomputing

2013-03-07 20:07

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Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1327177)

New video - Jolla Sailfish OS and UI hands on

[edit]

What I just saw got my quite worried, When you open an app on N9 and swipe away the app goes in multitasking view and you can see it where you left it off, some even update in real time.

At 3:32 on the video he had the gallery app open with a picture and menu shown but when he swiped away on the tile it displayed the default gallery layout and not what he has open :(

that is configurable by the developer using the Cover API:

https://sailfishos.org//sailfish-sil...aceholder.html

My guess is you can simply take a "screenschoot" and place the image scaled down for those apps where its preferable. Actually sailfishos gives developers more options for the cover :)

mikecomputing

2013-03-07 20:10

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Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1327199)

Actually, an "Active Cover" is something different: it allows interaction with the app from the application switcher.
Which is, imho, a novel thing.

What you mean is a "Cover" that is updated in realtime.
According to the linked document, applications are explicitly allowed to perform actions like computations etc. in the background. Which, imho, is exactly what multitasking is about.
The link i mentioned just gives a little guidance on how to improve background activity of apps.
It even does not forbid that you still perform fancy 3D rendering or HD video playback or other fancy stuff and update the "Cover" with this while in background.
It just gives the "hint" that apps shouldn't do it.

Edit:
To correct myself: at one point it says that, "All animations must be paused and, if possible, unused resources released.".
Which kinda would prohibit doing fancy stuff like 3D rendering or video playback.
Otoh, I think we can only truly explore the capabilities of Sailfishos once it is officially out. ;)

or try animate to see if it works in the emulator ;)

mariusmssj

2013-03-07 20:15

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Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1327193)

Hmm not exactly real multi-tasking then if animations etc are disallowed in active covers?

That's my issue, N9 "Covers" update almost real time, like if you get a text, it will update so I can read the text without opening the messaging app!

mikecomputing

2013-03-07 20:17

Re: Jolla Sailfish Is stunning! Now on video!

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Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1326999)

It is maybe only me, but I don't like what you are saing... Why you slam the Ubuntu and the Canonical so much? I personally love to use Ubuntu, very clean and nice OS. The Sailfish OS and the Ubuntu should not be at war! They are linux, so we need to pull the same rope! I personally like debian based distros more (.deb) and this is FOR ME maybe one big thing, why i may choose the Ubuntu phone over the Sailfish, but hey.. Don't you dare think i don't bye Jolla devise too!

Now i even use Google nexus 4 with android and i actually like the way 4.2.2 Android version + MiHome (miui launcher) working.

Here is the thing:

Canonical has dropped KDE
Canonical has dropped Gnome
Canonical has dropped Wayland
Canonical has dropped kubuntu

Canonical doesnt use what the FOSS community is using insteda they use:

Launchpad
Unity
and now Mir

Canonical is NOT an opensource company anymore so thats why I totally losts intrests in ubuntu!

There are plenty better alternatives, that should get attenttion by media, on both on desktop and mobile, in latter case sailfishos will be better thats for damn sure..

tissot

2013-03-07 20:19

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Originally Posted by Industreality (Post 1327289)

What would you consider known names? I would be amazed if they had locked down Huawei or ZTE.
It's not like Samsung, Nokia or LG is going to make Sailfish phone imo.

I got a feeling if we are talking about big partners, they must come from China on Jolla's case.

mikecomputing

2013-03-07 20:23

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Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1327528)

I hope it is Huwei then, that would make me laught at my work were they say "Jolla has no chance compete they to small player, only firefox, ubuntu may have a little chance"

mikecomputing

2013-03-07 20:26

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Originally Posted by trilby (Post 1327044)

Yeah, one need only look at the status matrix for Nemo to get a sense that a fully functional version is unlikely. That's not a slight against the contributors to Nemo and Mer; they are a dedicated and extremely talented bunch. It's simply a realistic view that the hardware/driver issues will likely never be solved to make the N9 a fully-functional Sailfish device.

Sure, we've seen Jolla demonstrate the UI on the N950, but we've never seen them show calling works flawlessly, or the GPS, or whether it's using GPRS or Wifi for it's network connection. In other words, all we know is that it can run Sailfish well enough for smoke-and-mirrors, but a day-to-day device that does not make.

I still beleive it could be possible get more stuff working, problem is the MER community seems to small. I wish I could be active myself. I want the damn NFC work on it for example.

Hariainm

2013-03-07 20:36

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I hope Xiaomi build the Jolla phone, the M2 is such an impressive device.

Dave999

2013-03-07 20:45

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How is the percentage of OS on the Asian market. What's oses are available. What's the expectation of tizen? Any talk about that os or other new ones. :confused:

How likely is that Jolla will attract 100000 buyers?

Hacker

2013-03-07 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1327534)

I hope Xiaomi build the Jolla phone, the M2 is such an impressive device.

If Jolla got something like this for Sailfish, I'd be absolutely thrilled.

ajalkane

2013-03-07 22:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1327527)

Canonical doesnt use what the FOSS community is using insteda they use:

Launchpad
Unity
and now Mir

Canonical is NOT an opensource company anymore so thats why I totally losts intrests in ubuntu!

All the examples you listed are open source.

Whether they "play ball" like good citizens with the rest of the FLOSS community is up for debate, but I don't see any reason of accusing them of not being open source.

For sure I also have many doubts about the path they've chosen. But that's another topic.

herpderp

2013-03-07 22:28

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1327538)

Asia is almost completely owned by Android by now, some sources say China has above 90% Android.

My guess would be that Jolla doesn't have much chance, every passing month it's getting later. They could be too late like these guys - make sure you check out their demo, it was way cooler than Sailfish and still died...

Hacker

2013-03-08 01:49

Any first generation OS is going to have an uphill battle on its hands, Sailfish included. Can it be done? Hmmmmm . . .

The Asian markets' Android focus may not be a problem, if Sailfish can straight up run ALL Android apps as Jolla claims. Then, those customers would not lose any investments they've made in Android apps by switching.

The real problem is longevity risk. If you buy into a smaller company today, like BB or Jolla, you face the risk that they will not be in a position to adequately support your device as long as you want it supported--kind of like Nokia's support of the N9 or N900.

Listen, the Emblaze Mobile UI is alllll that. I loved it, too, and hope it finds a way to market. They describe a cautionary tale. They didn't attempt market entry. I'm glad Jolla is at least trying, but Sailfish can't get here soon enough.

Akkumaru

2013-03-08 10:20

Just a thought. If it's a BIG partner, maybe it's HTC, since they're from China. :)

thedead1440

2013-03-08 10:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Akkumaru (Post 1327634)

Just a thought. If it's a BIG partner, maybe it's HTC, since they're from China. :)

HTC is from Taiwan...

Dave999

2013-03-08 10:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Akkumaru (Post 1327634)

Just a thought. If it's a BIG partner, maybe it's HTC, since they're from China. :)

why not. LG has WebOs, Samsung has tizen. Sony and HTC are hugh, but might be to big for Jolla. When they move in for a new OS. I would assume they buying the whole company to take control, especially when we are talking the mini sized jolla set up.

I think Sony are expanding and aggressively, so if BIG means world wide big I hope its SOny, but when jolla say BIG it could be a small fish and still be big to jolla.

NokiaFanatic

2013-03-08 10:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1327527)

Canonical is NOT an opensource company anymore so thats why I totally losts intrests in ubuntu!

There are plenty better alternatives, that should get attenttion by media, on both on desktop and mobile, in latter case sailfishos will be better thats for damn sure..

The minute that Ubuntu went to Unity, I cut all ties with them.

Akkumaru

2013-03-09 03:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1327635)

HTC is from Taiwan...

I should've read up on HTC before posting, dang.. I could've sworn i read that they were from China... Thanks for clarifying!

And dave, i do think Sony could license sailfish as their alternative os, I mean, why not? Sony loves sleekness, and sailfish sure is sleek. :)

mariusmssj

2013-03-09 16:05

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Rumours and Maybe Jolla themselves saying the launch is near

http://i.imgur.com/RJD2qxR.png

Dave999

2013-03-09 17:22

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It's near if you think several months is near. It's nowhere near near.

Sorry, jolla just trolling.

mrsellout

2013-03-09 18:10

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Didn't someone say (a while back) expect a release schedule similar to the N9: unveiled in summer, on sale late fall?

If that plays out, I predict Mobile Asia Expo in June for the launch.

mikecomputing

2013-03-09 20:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1327905)

Rumours and Maybe Jolla themselves saying the launch is near

http://i.imgur.com/RJD2qxR.png

NOTHING in that message point to ANYTHING saying its is near.

Again read what CEO has said in several interviews instead of bullish rumours.

mariusmssj

2013-03-09 22:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1327957)

NOTHING in that message point to ANYTHING saying its is near.

Again read what CEO has said in several interviews instead of bullish rumors.

I know exactly what Marc said, Thus I began with "Rumours"

What many are forgetting is that Jolla will have their phones and licensed devices. There is no reason they couldn't release a device running SailfishOS, it doesn't have to be Jolla branded phone, any phone manufacturer could do it.

Just a guess, release SailfishOS licensed phone, get feedback improve user experience then release the official Jolla branded phone. Doesn't sound impossible does it?

tissot

2013-03-09 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1327935)

Didn't someone say (a while back) expect a release schedule similar to the N9: unveiled in summer, on sale late fall?

If that plays out, I predict Mobile Asia Expo in June for the launch.

Didn't Jolla already say they will announce the phone before May? They had stated Q1 previously.

Hacker

2013-03-09 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1327992)

From the interview Jolla's CEO Mark Dillon gave to Whiteboard Mag, it seems that Jolla will probably launch it's own flagship device under the Jolla brand to begin the momentum for Sailfish: “So we knew that the timing was right to create a new OS – but our experience also told us that we would need a flagship device. Because that’s how you get interest for the OS.” See, http://www.whiteboardmag.com/jolla-c...ng-the-people/

But however it's marketed, it's Jolla's software plus the OEM's hardware, right?

icecream

2013-03-11 11:59

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I wish Jolla would give us Sailfish on our N9 devices so we can BETA test the OS and provide them feedback. That would be a win-win situation.

NokiaFanatic

2013-03-11 12:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icecream (Post 1328351)

I wish Jolla would give us Sailfish on our N9 devices so we can BETA test the OS and provide them feedback. That would be a win-win situation.

Jolla will be very reluctant to do this. After all, a lot of folks might decide that instead of buying the new Jolla phone, they might just keep their N9's running Sailfish for free.

tissot

2013-03-11 13:56

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Seems like company called Infiniti is behind the Jolla phone design.

http://nokiagadgets.com/2013/03/11/i...-phone-design/

What about Creoir?

mariusmssj

2013-03-11 20:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1328367)

Seems like company called Infiniti is behind the Jolla phone design.

http://nokiagadgets.com/2013/03/11/i...-phone-design/

What about Creoir?

Further details

Jolla hires designers behind Huawei devices, Nokia E-Series for Sailfish phone

Quote:

For us, the partnership with Jolla is a great opportunity to apply our strong experience in working with products aimed at the global market. The best part of the co-operation is that we get to create something unique, something that will impact an entire industry - Veikko Rihu, Managing Director at Infinity Design.

Fuzzillogic

2013-03-11 21:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1328357)

Jolla will be very reluctant to do this. After all, a lot of folks might decide that instead of buying the new Jolla phone, they might just keep their N9's running Sailfish for free.

I guess there will be tempting (closed, commercial) premium on real devices. Android-support, for one, will not be open. And the device itself should be a nice upgrade as well over the aging N9.

If anything, Sailfish on the N9 is more like a "try before you buy" and perhaps an extra incentive to create / port apps for Sailfish to current owners.

I'd applaud Jolla if they release or "just" help with an N9 port. I doubt it will hinder my willingness to buy the actual device :) (if it does, then they've messed something up big time)

Dave999

2013-03-11 22:50

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I will also applaud and maybe even cheering if jolla helping the poor n9 users(me included).

Rogatti

2013-03-11 23:10

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I look forward to the smart jolla

mrsellout

2013-03-12 00:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1328367)

Seems like company called Infiniti is behind the Jolla phone design.

http://nokiagadgets.com/2013/03/11/i...-phone-design/

What about Creoir?

More speculation from me:

Creoir to design slab device, Infiniti to design qwerty device (going of the fact that they helped with the E-series).

youmeego

2013-03-12 15:59

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i wish jolla phone screen size is 95%+ of their phone size! unlike their competitors"s ugly space for accomadating the boring physical buttons.

ZackMorris

2013-03-12 16:14

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I'd be really impressed if Infiniti makes a N900/E7 like phone with a slimmer profile and a 12mp camera running Sailfish...take my money now!

Dave999

2013-03-12 16:28

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Just semi preordered my device. Reserved 500 EUR on an newly opened account called jolla. Where is my device?

zlatko

2013-03-12 16:30

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@ZackMorris
We all here wish for that! And I hope first Jolla phone will have the built and materials of the E-series like E61&E7! ;)

Hacker

2013-03-12 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1328588)

@ZackMorris
We all here wish for that! And I hope first Jolla phone will have the built and materials of the E-series like E61&E7!

I'd be flippin' delighted if Jolla came out with a form factor like the N950 with enhanced internals! That could make sense, right? It'd be new to the general public, they've been using the N950 as a demo device, and it would certainly be "unlike" the standard bar design.

I've never held an N950, though. Do you guys think that it'd work for Jolla?

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