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I have an outlook.com address (or rather live.fi since Microsoft keeps changing its name every year) but apparently it only allows ActiveSync syncing and that's not supported on my desktop Mac, only Microsoft's own devices and mobile devices. I can't get my hands on a regular Exchange account since I suppose they are only for corporations.

Has anyone tried an outlook.com Exchange account anyway? Googles services were the only ones that are supposed to work on any platform ever until they dropped ActiveSync support.

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i have 16gb card and i can't find it... so there is a slot, but not support yet? it is fat32 formated with ubuntu linux.

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The slot is supported. My SD car would not work at first then it suddenly appeared. It is fat32 16gb card. I did check what was on the card by plugging it into my win7 machine and it threw errors, which I fixed. It started working after this, but not sure if that was relevant. Swapping TOH backs also seems to cause some issues.

One thing that does not work is support through my win PC when the Jolla is connected. I can see the phone but not the sd card :confused:

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There has been some conflicting info from JollaHQ about that. They said a few times earlier this fall that up to 64gb is supported, but just before the launch they said that only 32gb. Although they did say something about file formats so maybe I got confused???

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It is not only Yandex.store. Official Youtube app and GooglePlay store have this problem too. Some component used in downloading, and not just browsing the contents, does not seem to be able to connect to 3gdata's interface until you connect to any WLAN briefly. After that you can switch the WLAN off and it has always worked for me until next reboot.

Generally speaking of reboots, there has been zero Sailfish crashes this far for me. Those were intentional troubleshooting this problem.

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I've looked into that a few days ago, and have chosen the Transcend 64 GB card. It has apparently better performances than the Sandisk one you will find easily, despite being cheaper. I've read rumors about a 128 GB Sandisk one, but nothing on sale.

I haven't received my Jolla yet, I can't confirm compatibility but I see no reason why it wouldn't work.

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Steam works.

I have not tested Gmail-app or Hangouts as gmail imap works natively in Jolla, and I don't want Android sync services running wild on the phone.

There is also a slight problem that there is no regular android settings app where one could disable stuff like all around android sync settings or location services. Or at least I have not found one yet.

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Android version works, but audio seems to be out of sync.

Link to apk was probably on crackberry forums.

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thanks for the Steam verification

but for Gmail, yeap IMAP works fine...but not everyting on Gmail (maybe priority inbox, star, feching existing draft..etc)

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Thanks! I also just ordered one from ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transcend-Mi...item1e7ce6d8cf

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Nice to know it is not only Yandex.Store related.

I have had one freeze. It seems that there is watchdog that booted Jolla after the freeze.

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Has anyone found a version of Tapatalk that works?

I have tested to install it from the Play Store but it won't install at all. Same for the on on yandex

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Not sure I understand. Outlook.com (previously Hotmail.com etc) works fine with Mail for Exchange in exactly the same way that gmail used to (apart from a minor fit last year where they changed the protocol)

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OUtlook.com doesn't work on Jolla, because of the protocol and Jolla doesn't have the newest wbxml files.

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I have used only Tapatalk Free since I got jolla. Installed from Amazon store. No issues, it is fast and stable.

isto

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No, it seems it is AlienDalvik-related. Any Android app that checks if it's online before accessing the net shows this behavior (e.g. Google Translate or DB Navigator).
Once AlienDalvik realizes it has no mobile network available, it will fail to detect being online until you connect to a WiFi network.

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Anybody tried BlackBerry Messenger?

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I got my device from Narinkkatori Wednesday and after few days with it, I can say that I like my Jolla a lot and don't see any possibility to going back to other mobiles. There are missing features, some bugs and usability issues, but I think that I can live with it anyway. This post is mainly about positive things I have noticed in these few days.

Sailfish:

• Task switching and multitasking is easily the best feature of the Sailfish OS. You can change between different applications faster and easier than any other mobile OS. I would say that this is killer feature of this operating system and it puts other mobile OS's on shame how difficult it is to change between tasks on them.
  
• Accept/Cancel inside applications is very fast to use and so is getting back to previous page on applications. It took some time to get used to these features though.
  
• Closing applications with a swipe down is nice feature from N9.
  
• When deleting some file, item or selecting some features you have few second to change your mind. Nice little detail I haven't seen on other OS's.
  
• You can select at first start which social network accounts and applications you want to take in use and It installs only those you need. If you don't need some of the applications phone will not install them at all. It's also great that, almost all Jolla applications come from Jolla store, so you don't need to wait whole operating system to be upgraded when some application gets bug fixes or new features.
  
• Covers are easy way to have some functionality and control on background applications.
  
• I noticed that default browser doesn't work on landscape mode only after one friend told that to me :)
  
• Biggest problems I have with ambience chancing (swipe form left or right on task switcher or lock screen). I found myself way too many times from ambiance change menu. Usually I go there when I unlock the phone and swipe from right to left. These times I'm trying to go task switcher but found myself from ambiance changer. Also notification centre gesture (swipe from down to up) has been bit difficult. I don't always remember that another swipe from down to up (or up to down) takes me back to application I was using and many times I found myself from the task switcher instead (I swipe from right to left).
  
• Getting used to all these gestures takes definitely some time and it helps (or might make life more difficult on some cases) if you know how to use N9. This is not android or IOS where you just flick you finger very fast and tap and select items. I suggest that when you get Jolla/SailfishOS phone on your hand first time, make all the gestures slowly at first. When you get used to them you can increase your speed very easily and after that you most probably don't want to go back to your old phone :)

Jolla:

• Phone feels great on my hand and it has has enough processor power and memory at least for normal use. If size was little bit smaller I could use it easily as a one hand phone. Now it is bit difficult to reach top left corner and close applications when operating phone on one hand.
  
• Most important feature of the phone, GSM/3G calls have been working every time and sound quality has been good. I have not yet taken the phone in the most difficult areas, so don't know how it will behave then.
  
• Camera is not very good, but I must say that I have been used to Nokia 808 Pureview quality level on mobile phone photos.
  
• I wait eagerly what other half will bring in the future. If there is decent keyboard other half coming I'm sure to get that one.
  
• Sound quality is very good at least with decent in ear headphones. I should note that, there might be some problems with headphones which have integrated microphone. I noticed quite disturbing noise with Ultimate Ears headphones /w integraded microphone when sound level was very low. This noise went completely away when I put cable which has only left and right channel activated and mic is disabled. I don't have any other compatible headphones with microphones so can't say is the fault on Jolla or my headphones.
  
• Battery has lasted only one day of active use for me. I have FB chat and gtalk always active and email is checked once per hour. I have been using it more than usually but it still seems that Jolla eats battery faster than some other phones.
  
• It is nice to have notification led back on phone.
  
• HW buttons have been taken to absolute minimum on this phone. Only button I have been missing from other phones is dedicated camera button. It is good that Jolla managed to get completely rid of home, back and find buttons.

Applications:

• Phone application is simple to use and it just works.
  
• Messages application has many great features. When you open it first, it list your last chats and text messages. It even shows if your friend are online. When you have active chat and you want to call your friend, just swipe right to left and you are taken to contacts address book page.
  
• Browser is ok. It hides task bar automatically when you scroll down and it comes back when scrolling up. Mobile web pages work very well with it. Some of the big desktop pages can make it very slow and unusable mainly because of missing landscape mode.
  
• Camera application is simple and it has only basic features.
  
• Address book has many nice features. It shows if your favourite contacts are online and it also lists last contacts you have been in touch. If you have lot's of contacts it has decent search feature.
  
• Jolla store needs lots of work. First page is way too crowded with all likes, favourites and comments. Installing applications is easy, just tap install or swipe right to left on application page.
  
• Map application is simple. It has lots of point of interests (probably from here platform where map also comes) and it can show routes.
  
• Calendar is good for my use because I don't sync my calendar on cloud. Birthdays are included on own calendar and it can be hide. Calendar shows also week number when you swipe from the month view.
  
• Documents application seems to be viewer only and it shows at least PDF-files. All files are added there automatically from phone and microSD card. Documents can be shown also in landscape mode. I have not tested any other file types. Zooming large PDF-documents makes it very slow.
  
• Gallery shows pictures and videos (also from MicroSD card). It is also possible to make ambience from the images on the phone.
  
• Media player founds all music from the phone and microSD card automatically. It makes own category for playlists, all songs, albums and artist. Album covers are shown, if included in the file. There is small gap when song changes.
  
• Email is simple to use and it has all the basic features I need. There is one annoying bug. When I receive new email notification and select that message from the notification view, Email application is opened correctly but message is not shown. I need go back to mail box and select message again to read it.
  
• Clock has possibility set recurring alarms and days can be shown. It just works.
  
• Android support is bit buggy especially after new android applications are installed. Applications seems to open but then they just shutdown without any reason. After a while everything works like a charm and skype or whatsapp can be open hours without any problems. I have installed Android applications from Jolla store, Yandex, Amazon appstore, aptoide and directly downloaded apk's. All applications I have tried have installed and worked at least partially. here is the list I have used:
  
  - Angry Birds Star Wars - works
  - Firefox - it starts and works also in landscape mode. Haven't used it much.
  - Netflix - videos are shown with good quality, sound is bit out of sync.
  - WhatsApp - basic chat works. Can't take images with the app.
  - Skype - have called few calls and it works.
  - Sports Tracker - doesn't get GPS lock.
  - IP Cam viewer lite - can show video and control web cameras.
  
  If multiple android applications are open at the same time, only last one used is shown on app switcher.
  

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Thank you mve for your review! You're (I think) the first person on tmo to post such a thorough review :)

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This actually can be pretty annoying (the popping up toolbar on scrolling up). I think bringing up the toolbar should depend on some other gesture unrelated to simple page navigation.

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how can you know it's annoying without having it used? It works lovely on Firefox on Android.

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Have a number of frustrations which have caused me to wipe the phone 4 times so far

It has taken 4 wipes before the phone has recognised the white other half and installed the theme

It doesn't recognise the orange one at all

But the biggest issue is that it won't download from the jolla store - I get a message which just says "problem with store" no matter what I try to install

I'm beginning to get very fed up with this. I've checked the date, time and time zone are correct. I've tried a battery pull. I've tried disabling wifi and accessing the store over 3G. I've tried the various wipes I mentioned, but now have no idea what next to do

Be glad of any suggestions. Also doesn't seem to install dev mode either - nothing happens when I accept the terms

:confused:

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I'm not sure it's well done in Firefox on Android either. It's based on assumption that you read each page once, and never scroll up. So scrolling up assumes you're finished and bringing up the toolbar is supposed to help you to navigate elsewhere. However for me - this doesn't work. I can go back and forth within the same page, and toolbar which pops up all the time can become really annoying. IMHO it's a trend of extreme minimalism which goes beyond what should be comfortably minimal.

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The bag that poppy red The Other Half comes in has a transparent front side, fits the Jolla nicely, is waterproof plastic, and you can operate the touchscreen through it.
In case you want to read eBooks in the bath tub... :D

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damn, I have to take this back. It seems the android apps can sometimes access the gps, but most of the time fail. Jolla has some work to do there...

isto

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Try clipping on the poppy red back.then try the store again. Worked for me .

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Stick with it Richard . When i got back to the uk.i did a fresh install with the red oh in place and it sorted the issues, some of which i think were caused by uk sim on Finnish network .
Phone has behaved itself except for deleting all the non OH ambiances.

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I will don't worry. Phone feels like it needs deep cleaning and start again TBH. I'll try that and see what happens

Am far more likely to be put off by the excessive capcha on this site - my eyes aren't good, haven't got one right yet!!

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The capcha disappears after a certain number of posts. Maybe post a few more replies. ;)

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Guess I asked for that:-)

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Or you might be a robot.

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Well good news is changing to the poppy red cover has caused the ambience to install

get same message re the store though:-( be nice to be able to install maps and email:-)

any more ideas?

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Wow, didn't know that. That's a big con.

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I have completed my two day long battery testing with Location ON and OFF.

Conditions:
- Screen brightness: manual, minimum brightness
- Screen goes off in 15 seconds
- Developer Mode Enabled

• Remote connection (SSH) enabled

- Installed apps:

• Tutorial
• Calculator
• Calendar
• Clock
• Notes
• Mail
• Media
• Maps
• Documents
• IP Address
• Speedtest.net (Android)
• The Weather Channel (Android)
• Yandex.store (Android)
• Amazon Appstore (Android)
• Mobogenie (Android)
• Firefox (Android)
• Dropbox (Android)
• Whatsapp (Android)
• Viber (Android)
• Skype (Android)
• Angry Birds Star Wars II (Android)
• Daylight World Map (Android)
• Terminal
• Sovjet Military Maps Free

- No apps running on background
- No apps running on foreground
- Messaging settings:

• GMail configured, checking mail every 30 minutes
• 1 IMAP mailbox configured, checking mail every 30 minutes
• 1 Twitter account configured

- Network

• Cellular: 3G, no data connection in use
• WiFi: connected to 802.11n network, 52-65 Mbps rate

- Location ON

Saturday November 30, 2013:
[time elapsed] [time of day] [battery level] [comments]
-0:01 13:24 battery 100 %, settings -> location -> ON, USB cable still plugged, GPS icon blinking
0:00 13:25 battery 100 %, test will start, unplugging USB cable
0:05 13:30 battery 100 %
0:18 13:43 battery 98 %
1:16 14:41 battery 91 %, GPS icon steady and not blinking anymore
3:29 16:54 battery 74 %
3:44 17:09 battery 72 %
4:34 17:59 battery 66 %
5:11 18:36 battery 61 %
6:26 19:51 battery 51 %
7:06 20:31 battery 46 %
7:48 21:13 battery 41 %
8:29 21:54 battery 36 %
8:38 22:03 battery 35 %
9:05 22:30 battery 31 %
9:19 22:44 battery 29 %, battery test ends

13:07 Projected battery charge level 0 %

Conditions changed
- Location OFF

-0:02 12:46 battery 100 %, Location -> OFF, USB cable still plugged, GPS icon not visible
0:00 12:48 battery 100 %, test will start, unplugging USB cable
0:41 13:29 battery 97 %
1:02 13:50 battery 96 %
1:46 14:34 battery 92 %
2:29 15:17 battery 89 %
2:44 15:32 battery 89 %
3:02 15:50 battery 87 %, poor response to double tapping. need to tap multiple times before response.
3:30 16:18 battery 85 %, clock does not stay in correct time
3:34 16:22 battery 84 %
4:13 17:01 battery 81 %
4:33 17:21 battery 80 %
5:04 17:52 battery 78 %
5:35 18:23 battery 75 %
5:53 18:41 battery 74 %
6:26 19:14 battery 71 %
7:39 20:27 battery 66 %
7:44 20:32 battery 66 %
8:44 21:32 battery 61 %
8:54 21:42 battery 60 %
9:55 22:43 battery 55 %
10:35 23:23 battery 52 %
10:50 23:38 battery 50 %

21:40 Projected battery charge level 0 %

Definitely something wrong with power management and with Location ON the GPS/GLONASS chip seems to be all the time on. With current battery performance I can't think of using this as my primary phone.

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"Sovjet Military Maps Free"

Cool...

Sorry OT ;)

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Does Vine for Android work? Watch & record videos?
What about Android instant message apps? It shows notifications, is integrated with the phone, the LED blinks, etc or do we have to keep looking to the app to get the messages? What if I close the app, say WhatsApp or Steam, the notifications still pops up?

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Hey,
what about number recognizing in the phone app,

Like in N9, if you have numbers with different names like
0401234567 and 0501234567 the N9 shows just numbers, uuh...

How is it with Jolla?

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean. If you are asking about the case where one person has multiple numbers, Jolla will show only the name of the calling person, not the number.

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I assume he is asking about prefix recognizing within a carrier (in his case the same number, but prefix 040 and 050), which Nokia phones were for some obscure tech reason unable to differentiate - and hence just showed the number, not the contact name.

Peeks my curiosity as well...?

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Finally and my big thanks for this most useful info.

This took a mighty long time to surface if I may add. Could it be true most people are not that into multi-tasking after all?