Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1241188)

If it were selling well then why the need to change strategy? What is wrong with you people, one day you are saying they were struggling to sell phones the next they were hot sellers. It clearly wasn't selling enough in their eyes for them to have pushed for a strategy change. The N8 was their flagship high-end mass marketed device and was available long before the Elop announcement so that particular phone wasn't Osborned, and when it was much later on what was the reason for doing so if they believed it sold well?
The decline in handset sales were there and it still is today. It may be a "classic" among the Nokia fans but that's all it is, much like the N900.

Sticking a good camera on a WP (which is no more desirable and doing no better than the symbians of past or present) and expecting it to sell on that fact alone is in my opinion being far too optimistic. The same misplaced optimism that was shown after the announcement, sticking WP on a Nokia and expecting sales to skyrocket or even increase.

Expecting a Lumia Pureview to turn things around has little research behind it and is very much an individual wanting a particular thing and that individual expecting the mass market to react in kind. Cost cutting is a different matter.

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1241212)

The N8 has sold more than the SGS2, in total. But what lifted it was the camera, not the OS. It has been written pages up and down about what was wrong with Symbian and Nokias strategy. I have no other suggestion to you than to read something else than US blogs and tech news. Even Tomi with his direnged view is better.

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1241215)

Stop. Feeding. It.

You make it look like the delusional arguments are valid arguments in a two sided discussion. Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1240798)

Have you ever used lumia 900 or 800

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1240893)

I have never used android

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1240988)

We have a lot of symbian apologists here.

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1241215)

Stop. Feeding. It.

You make it look like the delusional arguments are valid arguments in a two sided discussion. Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1241215)

Stop. Feeding. It.

You make it look like the delusional arguments are valid arguments in a two sided discussion. Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1241248)

Briefly. I already didn't want it just based on its technical demerits. Using one only confirmed for me that this isn't a product I wanted. I'm not sure how my using it (or not) will make any difference in how Nokia has treated their products, their customers and their employees. It also doesn't improve their return rate for defective products. It also doesn't help investors nor will it make their product any better in any way.



So why did you even bother asking if I've ever used a Lumia 900 or 800, if you yourself haven't even used an Android device?



...And a couple of Elop/Microsoft apologists.



I hear you.. I agree.. but seriously, they're proving how dead Maemo, MeeGo and Nokia in general really are by simply making THIS topic part of the busiest thread on the site. I mean, really.. is there anywhere else to go when Nokia's led us into a dead end? There isn't much else to develop or look forward to. Right?

We're on a sinking ship. While most people have already jumped ship and forgotten about TMO, there's some folks sticking around.. some playing their music, others watching horrifically, and a couple of them are denying that the ship is sinking but that it's instead improving its chances of floating by sinking faster.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1241305)

Who cares what you want. The company wants to make what the common denominator desires. They clearly desire a closed system. When Nokia alwas wealthy they tossed few hack able phones your way. They have no money to toss free bones, and they clearly need a software partner. Maybe Jolla will prove me wrong, and I would like them to prove me wrong, but if this is the same team that brought on the market imperfect Maemo 5 and Harmattan, I don't hold much hope.
The OS needs to be as smooth as ios or WP. None of the nokia devices had it. There is no room for imperfection in today's markets as the bar has been set high. Nokia hardware is great but software inferior, hence WP. Sales will depend on the common man and woman and not on the extremes from the mean. lumia just started selling since the beginning of the year. We will know in 18 months where they stand.